It doesn't really matter though, does it? Since the poll said that at least a few people won't go along with the plan. And if the entire town doesn't come together then it won't work.

So we should best let it go, unless we get more than 15 people to agree with it.

I do, however, have an idea about the number picks.
Why not all pick [1][x] where x is everyone's pick 1-20. Since it's just 22 players there should be little clashing (let's face it, people won't hoard 1-2-3-4-5 (hopefully), so it would be nice and evenly spread.
Ofc the mafia can then pick 2x 3x 4x 5x 6x but if town spread themselves fairly even.

OR we could ask everyone to pick a previously selected number, so we make sure there's no clashing. Even if mafia blends in, there must be a way to make sure the spread is even yet random.

I may be wrong, I never played this format before so if there's a basic flaw then forgive me. I just wanted to contribute somewhat.

CubEdIn

Romania5359 Posts

January 09 2011 12:36 GMT

#330

I was [11][3].
My strategy was: ummm... I like 11. And 3 is nice.

I'll decide what to pick when I get back home (we still have time, right?)
The only problem with LSB's plan is that mafia would know all our roles (more or less), and it'll be quite tricky to avoid losing good roles early.

But alas, seems that LSB is town-aligned no matter what role he has in the game, so I guess it would be ok to go with his plan.

CubEdIn

Romania5359 Posts

January 09 2011 12:39 GMT

#331

As for the roles, it's pretty clear that a lot of people picked 1, 2, 3 and 5, and got booted to the back of the queue, dec got the only 4, then ken the only 7 and kita the only 9, i got the only 11, barundar the only 13, and then came the clashes.

What's so difficult to get?

CubEdIn

Romania5359 Posts

January 09 2011 18:42 GMT

#349

I double checked my pick (pm to Ace) and it was definitely [11][3].
So either:
- Amber is wrong (or lying)
- Ace made a mistake.

As for deconduo, not picking CPR is a horrible choice.

First of all, you're safe. There's no other safer role than CPR. Mafia won't target you because you can always help them with KP if you defend people they won't attack.

Second of all, you may become a target later in the game, but let's be serious, allowing CPR to get picked my Mafia is far far far more dangerous.

Third of all, you may be screwing up everyone else's pick, and take good roles off blues.

So think twice before you pick.

CubEdIn

Romania5359 Posts

January 09 2011 18:45 GMT

#353

So we can tell who is lying and who is not.

Only mafia would have a reason to lie, or not tell us their votes, since they most likely had a "plan" of getting good picks.

CubEdIn

Romania5359 Posts

January 09 2011 20:04 GMT

#359

Well in that case I think it's best that Ace would let us know if there was a mistake in the order and/or why the clashing did not apply to us.

The thing is, I had no reason to lie. I could've very well waited out and claimed 9 or 10, since you were the one that said 11-2 first.

It would've been damn-right-stupid for me to claim 11-3 when there were listed posted with 11-2 right after me. So either: Ace made a small mistake, or you're full of it.

I checked once again, here was my exact message:
"Here are my two numbers:
[11][3]"

There's no way that could've been miss-understood.
My guess is that you wanted to claim something, and you rushed it, got caught with a lie, and now are trying to back out of it.
The downside is that if I was lying, it would be incredibly stupid, since I could've picked 10 or whatever.

And I have no reason to try and get you lynched because I'm ahead of you in picks. If I were mafia, I could just pick whatever I think you would, and you'd be Vanilla.

So explain exactly why I would be lying.

CubEdIn

Romania5359 Posts

January 09 2011 20:16 GMT

#363

Eh it's okay.

I should've lied though, I liked #4 better than #10.

=(

CubEdIn

Romania5359 Posts

January 09 2011 20:19 GMT

#366

Note that:
Barundar
LayOffRage
bumatlarge
Jackal58
Fishball

May want to change their roles (if they already sent them in).

CubEdIn

Romania5359 Posts

January 09 2011 22:13 GMT

#379

Heh. I thought something was odd with that.

So then, people, make sure you got the correct role.

CubEdIn

Romania5359 Posts

January 10 2011 13:59 GMT

#425

On January 10 2011 22:29 deconduo wrote:
I did not get the role I asked for.

Mafia must have some way of manipulating the picks.

Are you joking?
There's nothing in the rules about that, it clearly states:
"Starting with the first player in the draft you can pick roles."

So you're either being funny, or trying to cover your role.
Add that to the fact that you said you don't really wanna pick CPR and you look scummy as hell.
Ace, is there any way that the first player in the draft order could NOT get any role that he wanted?

CubEdIn

Romania5359 Posts

January 10 2011 19:01 GMT

#439

Well if Ace doesn't admit to screwing up the role PM then I believe it's a fair shot to lynch deconduo.

I mean, deconduo made a mistake based on PM from Ace.
If Ace had made a mistake, then he would've said so, since it's really not part of the game.
And I still don't like deconduo's decision to not pick the CPR.
So yeah, add that to this apparent lie, and we have ourself a day 1 lynch.

And if it turns out dec wasn't lying, then we can just blame it on Ace.
It's practically win-win!

CubEdIn

Romania5359 Posts

January 11 2011 09:45 GMT

#539

Ok here are my thoughts:

1. First I thought aidnai is scummy. Mostly because he's been extremely passive with his posts. Not taking any sides, not pushing anything, just trying to favor other people's ideas so as to not actually draw attention when the shit hits the fan.

2. Then I saw the analysis on LoL, and I figured, ok, that looks like a decent plan for town, high chance of it going well, might clarify some things, seems like a good day 1 vote.

3. Then aidnai starts defending him out of the blue.
This changes everything.
My gut feeling says that LoL is in fact townie, and aidnai knows this, and since he already has a mini-bandwagon going for him, aidnai thinks it's a good idea to defend him, so when he gets lynched and turns green, he will be absolved of guilt.

I'm just thinking all this because it's more or less exactly what I'd do if I was scum and targeted so brutally on day 1.

I know it's not good enough evidence, but I need to go with it for now.
If town will need one extra vote to lynch LoL, I might change it, but for now...
##Vote aidnai

CubEdIn

Romania5359 Posts

January 11 2011 09:46 GMT

#540

^ And when I say LoL I mean LoR (blame league of legends).

CubEdIn

Romania5359 Posts

January 11 2011 13:15 GMT

#546

well unless everyone agrees that both adinai and lor should die, i don't see any other possible targets for now. But it may not be a bad idea to zap someone so you can prove your role. But that can wait till night time.

CubEdIn

Romania5359 Posts

January 11 2011 20:21 GMT

#585

LSB, a slight problem with your list:

What if Kenpachi says "oh I tried shooting Amber but I was blocked" when in fact he is not JOAT. How can that be verified?

Also, if they are both scum (but Kenpachi NOT lying about his role), this would clear them both up after Kenpachi being role checked. We need to devote some extra time to this if something doesn't happen after night 1.
But I like the general idea.

As for the lynch, I still see no good reason to change to LoR. Aidnai seems just as good a target so far, and if we lynch a townie at least we're not killing a very promising one.

CubEdIn

Romania5359 Posts

January 11 2011 20:24 GMT

#586

Ummm... ok. Seems very convenient that he's got the one role we can't really lynch on day 1 but fine.
##unvote aidnai
##vote LayOffRage

Note that we should not allow focus to come off aidnai though.