I think it was the whole 'vote for the inactives' strategy that LSB brought up, since there wasn't much else to go by. (aka the same strategy we are currently using to poor effect in the other mafia game). I would have voted along with my team mate Gmarshal, but I was busy yesterday and missed the vote t.t.

Not sure how different it is, but in the games I play in real life, if we dont have a clear suspect, we usually pass on voting, since in the beginning of the game the chances of voting off a town sided role is much higher. So my question is, is voting off the inactives early a more viable strategy in this type of game, or is the strategy flawed?

TheMango

United States1967 Posts

January 05 2011 20:06 GMT

#247

well, I think those advocating silence during the night have a valid point, as we do not know which setup this game is running yet. If there is a roleblocker in the game, narrowing down the options for DT can also backfire if his target gets roleblocked. I think early on, we should leave it to DT discretion (if there even is one this game)

TheMango

United States1967 Posts

January 05 2011 20:11 GMT

#248

[QUOTE]On January 06 2011 05:01 Kavdragon wrote:
Well, I've heard some advocate silence during night, but I think that's a terrible Idea, so let's get talking.

Inactives:
(No, i don't support lynching another one, but It's something to look at.)
It seems to me that Meapak_Ziphh has been very inactive. I think that his team would be worth a DT check if we have one.

Ace has been posting a bit, but haven't seen meapak post here for a while (but he seemed fairly active on IRC in the other mafia game - he just got lynched as a townie yesterday)

TheMango

United States1967 Posts

January 05 2011 20:31 GMT

#251

the only point of discussing during nighttime is to help our blues make their decisions, and without knowing the setup, you run a serious risk of helping scum team (on who they will kill/avoid killing due to possible medic save, and a possible wasted DT check due to roleblocker.) At least that's my take on it, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

TheMango

United States1967 Posts

January 05 2011 20:37 GMT

#254

On January 06 2011 05:31 LSB wrote:

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Umm... What do you mean by this?

Are you saying that we shouldn't try to generate activity during the night?
Are you implying that other people have advocated this position?

Please follow the whole thread, as I'm obviously quoting kavdragon who initially said that. I'm saying that at the very least people should be careful about suggesting things to our blues when mafia could easily use it against us (especially if they have a roleblocker).

TheMango

United States1967 Posts

January 05 2011 20:38 GMT

#255

On January 06 2011 05:32 LSB wrote:

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Can't we scumhunt, or discuss the greenness/redness of Ace's team.

Speaking of which, what is your opinion of Ace?

I have no opinion of Ace, but I'm suspicious of Meapak who was active on IRC even after he was incorrectly lynched in the other game, but has not posted for a while in this thread.

TheMango

United States1967 Posts

January 05 2011 20:48 GMT

#259

On January 06 2011 05:44 LSB wrote:

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Besides my push against Ace. (Ace you still have to answer my questions!) I don't believe that there is anything substantial in the three points.

Obviously Kavdragon is town aligned.

Nemesis has about 2-3 posts talking about lynching inactives. Although this does indeed seem like lurking, Nemesis isn't the only one doing this, and I'm also intrested in Aidnai's FOS

Orgolove- The thing with Orgolove is that Day 1 he literally only had one post, and after the lynch accused others of making an uninformed lynch.
On the other hand, from what I glanced at his play in Mafia XXXV (Note, I don't know his alignment), it seems very similar.

Just pointing out, its an obvious thing to say if you were a mafia team also, as you are senior on kavdragon's team :p

TheMango

United States1967 Posts

January 05 2011 20:52 GMT

#262

On January 06 2011 05:49 LSB wrote:
Mango, I wondering whether you were suggesting that the town maintain complete silence or just silence on the blue issue

For Example

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Aidnai wishes for complete silence (Assuming his post isn't sarcastic)

I don't see a reason why we cant have a general discussion and still put pressure on people/scum hunt. However, I think we should be very careful on giving any kind of specific direction or advice to our blues without first knowing the setup.

TheMango

United States1967 Posts

January 06 2011 06:46 GMT

#280

On January 06 2011 15:31 kingjames01 wrote:

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Forgive me if I don't believe you. If you were roleblocked, why would you even admit to that? The Roleblocker wouldn't know that he had successfully found a Blue. You could have just stayed quiet and used your power tonight.

My opinion is that you're actually Mafia and you're worried that you might get lynched today. I've pointed out that you've been suspicious and now you're panicking.

Shouldn't a roleblocked person always out themselves? What is there to gain by keeping quiet? Since subversion has not roleclaimed, mafia should still have no new information, while it possibly helps town.

TheMango

United States1967 Posts

January 06 2011 07:05 GMT

#283

I see, so you only get the mesg that you've been roleblocked if you are actually a blue? What happens if you're a green?

Don't believe Subversion's sub-version of the truth.

lol cute

TheMango

United States1967 Posts

January 06 2011 14:39 GMT

#292

On January 06 2011 21:20 orgolove wrote:
kingjames' post sounds like a kneejerk reaction due to the potentially losing the bandwagon. -_-

And I'm surprised people hasn't picked up on the scumminess of aidnai's suggestion that the town shouldn't discuss anything during the night. First he says it's sad that there's such lack of activity, then he encourages town to stay inactive? Discussion is the only weapon for townies with no information. Whether it is done during the night or during the day doesn't make any difference - this just looks like a subtle effort by a red to sabotage the town's efforts.

Does seem like an overreaction by kingjames based on faulty information about being roleblocked. I think we should at the very least wait for subversion to respond and analyze that post. Not sure about aidnai, since I agree with some of his points. Some discussion, such as what blues should do, should not be talked about at night, since that could help mafia.

I'm more worried about Ace (who has yet to respond to accusations/pressure from people) and his teammate Meapak (who has been MIA in mafia, when I have seen him active on IRC). I feel as if people have forgotten about this team which was previously brought up as a possible scum/lynch target.

TheMango

United States1967 Posts

January 07 2011 08:10 GMT

#306

since we've largely ignored this team, what does everyone think of Deconduo/Chezinu? I haven't seen anything from them except decundo trying to convince everyone to 'hypocop'. I don't get a scum tell from that necessarily, but they have been on the quiet side so far otherwise.

@aidnai: as for flamwheel/orgolove, I don't agree with your analysis aidnai. Orgolove's activity has been spotty in the other game I'm in as well, and I don't see any major deviations in posting (I also do not get a scum feel from him in that game either)

If I had to vote now, it would be between kingjames/aidnai (kingjames for his over the top response in trying to get subversion lynched, which was based off faulty data - aidnai for pushing for 0 discussion during night) and subversion/incognito (for obvious reasons, could be lying about being roleblocked).

I'd like to hear from incognito if possible, since he's been largely MIA this game.

TheMango

United States1967 Posts

January 08 2011 00:00 GMT

#323

##Vote: Kingjames/aidinai

As stated in my previous post, I am pretty sure orgolove/flamewheel is not scum, so I'm voting for Kingjames/aidinai. Me and GMarshall are of differing opinions this time it seems. I have not been able to talk to Foolishness yet, but hopefully he will show up before the vote deadline is over. What happens if the votes are tied?

TheMango

United States1967 Posts

January 08 2011 00:03 GMT

#324

so deconduo and Subversion have yet to vote, and votes are tied at 2.5 for both Kingjames/aidinai and orgolove/Flamewheel

TheMango

United States1967 Posts

January 09 2011 20:37 GMT

#364

I'm really torn on this one, I am still suspicious of aidnai/kingjames, but I agree mostly with your analysis above. We have to be very careful about who we vote though, since if we mess up, its game over. From my point of view:

Incognito/Subversion (fake roleblock claim?) or Chaoser/Nemesis (fake DT claim?) are mafia.

which leaves one more mafia among: KingJames01/Aidnai or Meapak_Ziphh/Ace.

There is no 100% auto lynch candidate for me as of now, so I'm going to do some more indepth analysis later today before voting. I will say this though, the DT claim now from Nemesis to point out subversion as mafia seems a lot more convenient/suspicious, than a fake roleblock claim from Subversion that early into the game. I dont think I can pick between KJ/aidnai or meapak/ace and be sure at this point, so I'll probably focus on picking from the 'fake claim' pairs.

TheMango

United States1967 Posts

January 09 2011 20:48 GMT

#367

I see, because if it's tied, it's whoever got their vote in first?

TheMango

United States1967 Posts

January 09 2011 20:53 GMT

#371

##Vote Nemesis/Chaoser

voting now in case it comes down to a tie, but this is not a 100% confirmed vote for me, I may switch before the day is up.