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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 08 2010 05:25 GMT
#6
/in
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 09 2010 03:02 GMT
#39
Merlin should be used Day 1 if there are no good choices.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 09 2010 03:03 GMT
#40
king shouldn't follow the majority because the majority just gets manipulated by the mafia

the king should kill who he thinks is scum, not who the "town" thinks is scum
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 09 2010 04:11 GMT
#73
Then it doesn't matter when Merlin is used right?

I see the King as being like a mayor role. He should never do what the town tells him to do. When they agree to conform to the towns will, the mafia will become active and control the decisions the king makes.

The king needs to scumhunt somewhat independently and ultimately make his own decision.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 09 2010 07:22 GMT
#81
I agree. The king should not roleclaim. This way the mafia can not manipulate the king directly and he can participate in the town discussion without being pushed in a direction intentionally.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 09 2010 17:56 GMT
#93
On November 10 2010 02:28 LSB wrote:
Okay. This is going to be quick

Firstly, we need a united town. We need some sort of policy regarding the kings. If we're going to decide to let the king lynch people independently, we cannot make the argument later that 'you should have followed majority'. At the same time, if we force the king to follow majority, the must hold him accountable


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On November 09 2010 16:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I agree. The king should not roleclaim. This way the mafia can not manipulate the king directly and he can participate in the town discussion without being pushed in a direction intentionally.

And we fear this because the assassins have sercretz mind control abilities </sarcasm>

You are saying that 1) The king is smart enough to make his own decisions. and 2) The king is too easily influenced.

Please clarify


Unless the king is Coagulation I think he should be allowed to scumhunt on his own. most of the players in this game are decent or good.

No I'm not saying the assassins have secretz mind control. But if both get active, they can manipulate the shit out of the town. If they know the king then they can push him directly and put pressure on him directly to do what they want to do.

If they don't the king, then they can't. They have to focus manipulation on the town as a whole which is much more difficult. Honestly just one good scum poster can totally change the direction of a bandwagon. Early game bandwagons are very often directed by scum when the town has no real viable scumtargets, that's why I think the king should act somewhat independently.

If the town doesn't know the king, it doesn't bust their balls at all. At the end of the day, the king is held accountable for what he does and he must reveal himself eventually.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 09 2010 18:37 GMT
#100
no it's not about taking town control away from the lynches

listening to the "town" 9 times out of 10 is listening to the mafia. the king should not be a robot that does whatever the "town" says, he should of course seriously consider the town discussion

but do you really think the assassins won't manipulate the shit out of bandwagons? the whole point of the king is to take that away from scum

if we just have the king do whatever the town says, we're handing the mafia the power to control our lynches not the opposite
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 09 2010 18:57 GMT
#103
I like the new idea actually.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 09 2010 19:00 GMT
#104
I am the king and I am going to lynch coagulation. He is our worst player and offers little value to the town while he also fits the bill of "inactive"

No one comes off as scummy to me quite yet. I disagree with a lot of what LSB is saying and I don't like the extremity of the conclusions he is drawing but thats not enough.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 09 2010 20:50 GMT
#112
On November 10 2010 05:47 BrownBear wrote:
Let's hear Coag defend himself before we go ahead and execute.

how can you defend being inactive and bad
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 09 2010 21:00 GMT
#114
a day we use merlin is a day that the town doesn't lynch but the assassins do kill
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 09 2010 22:01 GMT
#116
that's the point

if no better option exists

currently: no better option exists
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 09 2010 22:06 GMT
#118
ok

i never said i was going to kill him immediately
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 09 2010 22:18 GMT
#121
why don't you just offer something of value instead
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 09 2010 22:24 GMT
#124
that's not worth anything, it's worth literally completely absolutely nothing

someone earlier prompted you to offer thoughts and responses on a few specific posts. you should follow through with that.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 11 2010 00:28 GMT
#147
a new kingmaker is assigned
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 11 2010 01:01 GMT
#149
Hesmyrr is flying a little bit under the radar, kinda parroting points, not really contributing much. I'd consider lynching him over Coagulation if Coag wasn't such a nuisance on both sides of the coin.

I feel bad for Coag though, if this keeps up he'll be day 1 lynch in every game he plays.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 11 2010 02:10 GMT
#152
Why LSB?
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 11 2010 03:11 GMT
#156
Kill Coagulation
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 11 2010 03:17 GMT
#158
err

execute: coagulation
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