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There should be some role to celebrate this illustrious milestone.
Prostitute - If you're visited in the night, the identity of your visitor and the action they took is revealed in the day post. You stay annoymous, but, probably for not that long! *wink wink!* You have two night lives.
On July 29 2010 13:33 Hesmyrr wrote:This will be awesome. I know it (also kinda feel bad for new players who while seeking for meta will futilely look for the passed number. Maybe after few months we should start saying "flamewheel played epic game on Mafia XXIX" or "look at Bill Murray at XXIX as example how NOT to play town" to confuse the newcomers  )
I endorse this idea.
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Oh hell, you're right. The role list is so neat.
/in.
+ Show Spoiler +I'm going to end up regretting this.
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On July 30 2010 11:31 tree.hugger wrote:
/in.
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On August 06 2010 11:22 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 11:19 DarthThienAn wrote:On August 06 2010 11:13 VayeshMoru wrote:
My purpose is simple. I am the Scribe. For what has transpired, and what will continue to transpire, I exist to write these summations of our limited existences. Hopefully a story told is a story saved. Will this hold true I wonder? Sometimes even the immortally captured objects fade to dust.
With dust in the air from our beginning turmoil, the records I keep will help us see with our clouded vision. It is time we begin writing the first chapter of our story. Let us begin. Chezinu, you know making a smurf account is illegal right? Hi guys =] Who is this chezinu? I am an aspiring writer who noticed the possibility of great ideas from these games. As such I have taken it upon myself to record the happenings of days. Is what I am doing common?
Oh this will be interesting.
So here's to hoping this game doesn't end in a total fiasco like last time yes? We're not going to bandwagon people for totally innocuous posts, yes?
Oh who am I kidding? This'll end in disaster.
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On August 06 2010 11:56 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 11:35 DarthThienAn wrote:On August 06 2010 11:20 Divinek wrote:
darth are you gonna play normal this game, or at least not like last game
pleeeeeeease I don't know what you're talking about. Just thinking about balance, I think it's likely that we have 1 of each blue role? And probably 3-4 ninjas in the game, I'd lean toward 3. Look here for a comparison. Ninjas = Assassins, essentially. With a roleblocker + framer, something like 7 to 9 blue roles sounds right. Framer essentially replaces millers from previous games, except gives a little more power to the mafia. Roleblocker is standard. What makes things interesting is the ninjas. Not sure how that messes up balance. Discussion, go! And for the record: I am always for lynching inactives. Here's what I'm thinking. Okay, I'm still looking through that game, but it seems like the Assassin's War (dune ;P) ended too early for any real damage to be dealt. Ninja's could be an extreamly powerful weapon if they decided to ally with a faction in exchange for protection. Ninja Ally's with Mafia: We're screwed. The mafia gets a nice Vigilante/DT rolled into one, and the Ninja get's protection from Mafia night kills, and hopes the other Ninja's die before he does. Ninja Ally's with Town: Town can arrange Medic Protection, and the Ninja can draw upon the DT. So basically invincible ninja. The town gets the Vigilante/DT. Ninja gets caught by the DT: This would be the best case scenario. The DT could threaten to expose the Ninja, so the Ninja is forced to ally with the DT. So basically we have to identify the Ninja's ASAP and get them under Town control
Yes, because it completely makes sense for the DT to threaten to expose the ninja. Because the DT could do that without exposing himself. Clearly.
On August 06 2010 12:11 bumatlarge wrote:If this one is half as epic as the nonsense last game, I will be satisfied. Already so many posts, hopefully I can keep up at this rate... So many new faces Lynching an inactive is the usual order of things, an initial list of who isnt posting is a decent path to go. But lets assume that everyone will post, so keep tabs on the quality of posts. If someone is posting alot but squekin by on the quality department, thats a solid candidate. And I think we have alot of new players, so just in case you dont know what to post: - Try not to make useless posts unless your HILARIOUS like me. - If you dont know where to start, just speculate about the blue roles and ideas. Scared about that? Give opinions about other ideas! Just pour your heart out and if you are completely honest, you'll gain some cred in the view of the town. EVEN IF YOU ARE A GREENIE, MAKE BELIEVE YOU ARE BLUE. But just dont lie, lying is bad  (see citizen in XXVIII, even though it was kinda justified). I think it hit me when last game how well BC and his scummers were sniping roles based on posts. If you can think like you are the most important when you post, you will be such a threat to mafia. In a previous game, I said "Dont be afraid to die" but I guess that can be misleading, because I dont want you running out there saying "LYNCH ME" -_- just be willing to put yourself on the chopping block if you really disagree with what someone says or does. - You know what you are, so use you're own gut feelings on things. Dont listen to what ANYONE else says, unless you can see the benefits yourself. If I am certain scum in your eyes, and no one else thinks so, you have an obligation to make sure that I die, or die trying. I don't believe anyone here is stupid, or else you wouldnt be on TL. - If you are blue, again use your own judgement, and blend in as much as possible. Do what you gotta do, post like you think you should to stay alive. - If you are mafia, try to hit your own team members with some convoluted plan, frame the roleblocker, or roleblock the framer. Thats how you win as mafia. Im posting this chunk because I am not sure how active I'll be tomorrow due to work from 9-5 and then another job from 6-11 + Show Spoiler +On August 06 2010 11:35 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 11:20 Divinek wrote:
darth are you gonna play normal this game, or at least not like last game
pleeeeeeease I don't know what you're talking about. Just thinking about balance, I think it's likely that we have 1 of each blue role? And probably 3-4 ninjas in the game, I'd lean toward 3. Look here for a comparison. Ninjas = Assassins, essentially. With a roleblocker + framer, something like 7 to 9 blue roles sounds right. Framer essentially replaces millers from previous games, except gives a little more power to the mafia. Roleblocker is standard. What makes things interesting is the ninjas. Not sure how that messes up balance. Discussion, go! And for the record: I am always for lynching inactives. Hmmm this seems incredibly scummy, FoS on you... I kid you darth, ninjas seem just some desu ex machina for either side, increases chances for hilarious situations. I need to read more into the blue roles.
DTA always looks scummy. He can't help it. You can't FoS someone like that with one post. It almost never works that way.
And BC n' co. needed Subversion to run naked through the town with "DT" painted in blue on his chest before they hit someone of consequence. The mafia sucked at blue sniping last game.
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Summary of the last couple pages.
- Chezinu upped his game. Wow.
- Pyrr and BM are either geniuses, or they both fell on their swords spectacularly.
- ratasban has a plan.
Re: The mass roleclaim. I think ninjas would make the plan difficult, they'd provide cover in the greens for mafia to hide amongst. Last time we mass roleclaimed, I got killed immediately because Meeple saved the mafia claimant for a less-important role.
Re: Rastaban's plan. I think that actually makes a lot of sense, but it isn't as solid as you suggest. First, if the Bus Driver is on the vigi, we're leaving it up to the BD's discretion who to hit instead. Which means that they could just as easily hit the DT as they could hit the mafia. In fact, since blues outnumber mafia this game, then that could be more likely, and more disastrous for the town. Secondly, the mafia could simply ignore the vigi, and go kill other people. Where does that leave the town? The vigi is not a role that we can really do much with if confirmed. Whereas if we were somehow protecting the DT, then they could pass info on to us, protecting the vigi doesn't do much but set up a really obvious trap that has an equal chance of blowing up in our faces, not to mention the mafia would likely avoid it to begin with.
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On August 07 2010 09:16 Foolishness wrote:
I for god hope Pyrry is going to post his "list" of the 6 mafia (or 4 or 5 or whatever number you're sure on).
And to let you know I have a bunch of posts from mafia of previous games (not necessarily you) who all say something like "I got this mafia list figured out" or "I think I know who's mafia but I'm not going to say unless I really have to". It's pretty common to see mafia members do this.
I look really forward to hearing your response when I post good information about how you're mafia. I also look forward to you getting people to spam away my good post when I do post it (assuming you don't post your list, which, let's face it, you know you won't).
If you're pro-town, you'll post your list and give your reasons. There's no reason to wait. The more information in the open the better we are.
Maybe he's waiting for more people to post, or for the day lynch so he doesn't look like an idiot in accusing someone who flips green? Either way, anyone who says they've figured out who the mafia is on Day 1 is wrong. It obviously doesn't work that way, or else we wouldn't play the game. Calling mafia on the first day is just a silly bluff that really doesn't help anyone, but does get people posting and information out in the thread, which is always good.
Also, I like the idea of picking an inactive to lynch off of the SPL results. It's a good way to put pressure on any mafia inactives who wouldn't want to leave their survival up to chance. laaan and love1another haven't done anything really, we've can't let them off the hook on a 4-0! We all know it's going 7 and ending in a sick fantasy-flash ace match.
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On August 07 2010 09:40 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2010 09:28 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 09:22 Foolishness wrote:On August 07 2010 09:21 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On August 07 2010 09:16 Foolishness wrote:
I for god hope Pyrry is going to post his "list" of the 6 mafia (or 4 or 5 or whatever number you're sure on).
And to let you know I have a bunch of posts from mafia of previous games (not necessarily you) who all say something like "I got this mafia list figured out" or "I think I know who's mafia but I'm not going to say unless I really have to". It's pretty common to see mafia members do this.
I look really forward to hearing your response when I post good information about how you're mafia. I also look forward to you getting people to spam away my good post when I do post it (assuming you don't post your list, which, let's face it, you know you won't).
If you're pro-town, you'll post your list and give your reasons. There's no reason to wait. The more information in the open the better we are. I'll post when BM flips. What if BM doesn't get lynched (for whatever reason)? Well you will probably kill me tonight, so I will post all my info anyway, mafia number 2. You are my favorite player in all of TL Mafia, at least when you are town-aligned, so I am disappointed to see your red play be so obvious. You've now chainsaw defended Bill Murray against both Divinek and myself. Now, if Bill Murray flips blue, I will certainly not run roughshod after you and the rest of his sketchy defenders and defendees. But if he flips red, which seems EXTREMELY likely to me at this point, your ass is grass and killing me won't save you. Awww I'm touched <3 I would think it's obvious to any town player that lynching a player who's actively participating and defending against arguments is foolish. How many times have you seen a mafia player that isn't Ace/L actively tell people they are wrong/stupid and defend their beliefs to the last moment they die? Hardly ever. Imma wait at least another 2 days before ever considering voting for any of you. Truth is, I barely give a care as to whether BM or you or DTA or divinek is mafia. Cause all you active people do is blame each other and find reasons why the other is mafia. If one of you is actually mafia, I'm sure one of the others will figure it out sooner or later. I got bigger fish to fry in figuring out who's mafia among the other 50% of the players who half lurk. Now wait a minute...you're supposedly a ninja and getting killed by other ninja's tonight. If I was mafia why would I bother hitting you? Haha, I actually kinda lol'd when I read your post, because it's insanely obvious you improvised the entire thing. I've seen better reasoning for suspicions out of totally new players. Have you even read my posts to consider if I'm actually mafia? I'm pretty sure you're too concerned with BM right now to even care who else is mafia. Which is fine by me, you do what you got to do and I'll do what I got to do. One person is not a list. You got any others you want to throw out there?
Woah woah woah, Pyrr, I know you were screwing people over last game because you were mafia, but if you start doing this again, you'll end up on the suspect list again. You've seriously figured out two mafia based on a handful of posts on Day 1? Bogus.
We have no call for lynching BM with little more than your word today, even as bad as he might play. We have nothing on him. And now you're going after Foolishness because he called you out on your list? Not everyone who criticizes you is automatically mafia.
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On August 07 2010 10:12 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +Bill Murray wrote:
in all likelihood the scummy players haven't posted yet unless it's someone like brownbear who knows it's ok to. noob scum will be like "what should i say?" as opposed to just playing. This is a very weird first post. His first post is used to defend everyone that has previously posted. As someone who is experienced, I'd think he knows that determining mafia by post time really isn't helpful. I think we should be suspicious of people who defend others so early, because mafia have the best reasons to do so.
I don't really think so, unless a mafia is really under threat, and the mafia thinks it can save that person without exposing themselves, (or if the person is one of the special roles, I guess) then they're likely to stay quiet and see if other people defend them first. I do see his post as poor reasoning, but not a scumtell by any stretch.
Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 12:03 Bill Murray wrote:
I proclaim the Random Voting Stage hereby dead.
I am voting not for randomness, but because I actually believe Divinek is Mafia. He's already claimed this to be a lie, because he went on to say that Divinek was part of the RVS. He started a bandwagon on Divinek to save himself (BM is at 3 (i think) votes at the start of this and Divinek ends up temporarily at 3 due to rastaban). In previous games, even as green, he has done similar random vote plans but he was up front about it being RVS before. He didn't claim RVS time was OVER and then vote for someone for really being red and then turn around and say ~"oh I was lying, actually I was fucking around like usual”. This random vote thing is stupid at best, since he telegraphed his reasoning, but it is scummy at most likely. I know Mr. Baby Hands did similar things but he didn't do it this clumsily. My response to BM's soft blue claim: If red, he would be desperate at that point and so it's sort of a no brainer to claim blue and plant doubt. He has gone on the record asking for blues to claim to him even though he is not at all confirmed. He has also suggested that blues claim in the thread as their specific roles. He said veterans could lie and say they are more hit-juicy roles. Yet he himself only soft-claims? I find this to disprove his stated motives. If he believed in his plan he could get the ball rolling by following it. Bill Murray starts his voting with “now the game gets serious” and now tries to play it off as shits and giggles. He's clearly trying to create chaos to save himself – the question is whether he is worth saving. Seems to me there are more pro-town ways to defend one's self than to do random attacks to find one that sticks. If he was blue, he could be more low profile although low profile is not really his style. As blue, he could still try pointing out why suspicions about him are not founded, rather than creating more and more suspicions.
See you keep thinking that BM was under serious pressure at that point, but the game had barely started. I could imagine someone pulling that when they're under the gun, but BM had three votes, a day ago, and the day hasn't even finished. I don't think we're nearly enough into the game to be saying things like that. The person who has the most votes after a few hours never gets lynched. I think BM is defending himself, but not to the point of desperation that you suggest.
I just don't see the scumtells that you see.
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On August 07 2010 11:02 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +Lazy Stalker (Watcher)
Unlike that cousin of yours, the Active Stalker, you enjoy being more slothful. You sit at home and stare at a computer screen all day, and thus you have become an insomniac. Since you are too lazy to go outside, you instead use your use of technology to watch people! Once per night, you may set up cameras outside somebody's domicile. You will be notified at the start of the next day by PM of all persons, if any, visiting said domicile last night. However, technology is inferior to the might of the Ninja, so you will not be able to see them visiting! If you watch somebody who is a target of the Mafia, you will be told who sent in that night's kill list. Mafia wouldn't even dare hit the person we decide to watch, that's an easy mafia found right there. Wow lol
Well, you'd get a name, right? Along with the name of the tracker. So basically, we've got two names, and a player who can't get these names to the town without exposing themselves and their role. AND THEN the town needs to pick the mafia. It's 50/50 and basically we might lynch the tracker. At any rate, the tracker is exposed.
So.... we expose the tracker and the watcher to kill one mafia, over one or two days?
Pandain, we discussed this, I don't see how you've been able to address this issue of your plan.
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Interesting developments so far. I'm not one for plans, and Pandain pm'd me his idea (along with several other people, he said) and I told him I didn't like it because roleblockers and framers could get in with all of the other roles and mess stuff up.
Some of the obstacles that I brought up in pm's have been addressed, but I still am not really sure how this plan intends to deal with all of the counter-claims that always come out. The watcher is going to have a hard time figuring out which roles are actually in the game, which roles we have one of, and which roles we have two of, ect. DT's then need to check things out.
But if the mafia claims DT, then we'll just be feeding them the names of blue players, which is dangerous. And we can't verify people without the DT's. We might have two, one, or none of them. I have no idea.
I think this is a good idea in principle, but there are some potentially fatal kinks, and I'm not sure how I'd address them.
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On August 07 2010 20:39 youngminii wrote:
^ Nobody gives a fuck whether or not you came up with the plan originally. Stop spamming this god damn thread, are you doing this on purpose as scum or what?
What a wonderfully ironic comment...
But you're somewhat right, at least. Pyrr and BM are in full red scare mode, accusing anyone who disagrees with them of being mafia. That's not the way to play the game. Honestly, I don't see what either of you see in each other, you look like the usual cast of angry green players. The last couple pages are basically unreadable because of you two. Calm down and post constructively.
The most pressing matter at the moment, isn't these plans, which we still have time to hash out at night, but it's our lynch today.
I think love1another has 7 votes, to BM's 5, which is good, but I think there are still people left to vote, so it could swing. I don't think it should, because I think BM really doesn't have anything to recommend him as mafia here, and neither does love1another, really, but at least BM's been posting. However you view that posting, discussion is better than no discussion.
I actually avoided this thread this morning, because I thought there might be SPL spoilers because of the neutral way were deciding the lynch. But apparently we're not doing that. Anyway my vote is still on Artanis[xp] who, I might add, has also been spectacularly unhelpful!
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On August 08 2010 12:31 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2010 11:51 Bill Murray wrote:
i told you all we should have lynched foolishness or someone who is actually red shall we lynch foolishness together tomorrow?
You two are suddenly working together? Wait, what?
And I've never been in a game where we got red with the first kill. There's a ton of factors that make it really difficult to pull off, but mainly it's just that we don't have good evidence on anyone. And that's no matter what you know, or (more likely) think you know about Foolishness or anyone else. We'll have more evidence after tonight, I guess.
I don't think Foolishness is mafia, and I don't think you've proved it in any way.
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This is a great plan, I think you've refined it since my initial reading of it. Or maybe I just got it wrong. But I can't think of anything that would address BB's concern of a problem in the plan that we haven't thought about. We've got a confirmed blue to build a town circle with, and the BD will protect them indefinitely.
Hopefully the watcher doesn't suck.
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About the day post: This is positive. There's a missing kill there (Foolishness(?)), and a wandering townie died, which is actually somewhat fortunate. All blue roles intact, and the plan intact too. Mafia probably killed LSB because he was being really effective. Problem is, mafia suck at killing blues. If nobody screws up in pm land, (hello last game) we're set.
But about this hit, I'm positive Foolishness is telling the truth. He always gets hit night one, but flamewheel probably took pity or something, and made him a vet. Or a medic saved him, but that means our plan is screwed, and we wasted a day on this.
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On August 09 2010 11:39 BrownBear wrote:
Ok, so in addition to all of the crap currently going on, I was roleblocked last night.
Wait. Are you an idiot? You just claimed a blue role like that?
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On August 09 2010 12:05 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 12:00 BrownBear wrote:On August 09 2010 11:52 SouthRawrea wrote:On August 09 2010 11:49 tree.hugger wrote:On August 09 2010 11:39 BrownBear wrote:
Ok, so in addition to all of the crap currently going on, I was roleblocked last night. Wait. Are you an idiot? You just claimed a blue role like that? Well that screws things up. Just tell us one thing now that you've claimed blue. Don't tell us your role yet but did it interfere with the plan? How exactly did I claim blue? I just said I was roleblocked. The role write up says that even if a green or ninja gets waxed they will be told.
Yeah I got this wrong.
On August 09 2010 12:05 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 12:00 BrownBear wrote:On August 09 2010 11:52 SouthRawrea wrote:On August 09 2010 11:49 tree.hugger wrote:On August 09 2010 11:39 BrownBear wrote:
Ok, so in addition to all of the crap currently going on, I was roleblocked last night. Wait. Are you an idiot? You just claimed a blue role like that? Well that screws things up. Just tell us one thing now that you've claimed blue. Don't tell us your role yet but did it interfere with the plan? How exactly did I claim blue? I just said I was roleblocked. The role write up says that even if a green or ninja gets waxed they will be told.
Yeah I got that wrong.
On August 09 2010 12:18 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 12:12 DarthThienAn wrote:On August 09 2010 12:09 VayeshMoru wrote:On August 09 2010 12:08 Chezinu wrote:On August 09 2010 12:03 bumatlarge wrote:Ive talked with LSB Chez, and I no longer feel comfortable having these conversations with you.
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I think the bus driver moved me.. I cant handle the pressure -_- Ok, let's have the conversation in public. I visited the scribe last night and saw nothing, yet the scribe claims to have visited someone last night. I am confused. I made no such claim, I merely chronicled the what happened as I looked for our past. You left your house. To collect things from the archives. I would think as it is part of my story, and not within the parameters of the game the logic would be seen. I am ashamed I had not clarified that ahead of time sooner. I mean, this isn't helpful at all. But it's really really funny. Have to say.
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^ Accidental double quote/post.
On August 09 2010 12:24 Hesmyrr wrote:
Ah well, unless some order gets introduced I see the plan failing more and more. To my knowledge this is all the events that transpired:
* Foolishness was hit.
* BrownBear was role blocked.
I am not sure I can make statements about other's post since they are kind of ambiguous for moment. Hopefully you guys can start a PM circle going, but otherwise unless new events occur it seems like we would default to BM lynch for today (This IS consistent to my position if you cared to read my explanation btw, Chez).
If neither of these are counter-claimed, it seems like we've got two pretty-confirmed townies? I mean, it makes no sense for the mafia to stack on either chaoser or LSB, let alone in the first night. And there can only be one roleblock, and as I've discovered, you get notified no matter what... so.... seems like we've got progress?
But, as always, there'll be a counter-claim.
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Whew. That was a workout. People have a habit of reading a ton of pages and criticizing everyone below them for spam, but actually there's some interesting stuff.
There's this YM, Foolishness debate going on, and meanwhile we have votes sitting on Bill Murray? A ton of people have listed Foolishness as one of their most suspicious players, so why not vote for him? That's strange.
About YM. I'm convinced on Foolishness, and for the most part, I buy his argument on youngminii. He played the first day really oddly, and I can see IRL issues, but then the second day he's played it differently as well. I dunno, more angry. Remember what I told you last game? Cool your jets.
Going to hold off on a vote for him at the moment, just on principle, really, but I think he's far and away our best candidate.
Although we keep allowing Artanis[xp] to get away with posting nothing. Thankfully there's no suicide bomber this game, so it shouldn't hurt us too much to leave him alone... for the moment. Might be a ninja?
So much for candidates at the moment. There was a thing I wanted to address...
On August 09 2010 16:20 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2010 16:17 Divinek wrote:
the rb didnt rb xelin because he role blocked bb Yeah, I forgot to mention that. I was mostly trying to go through all of the possibilities that mattered.
I think we're forgetting about this. Someone took a hit last night, AND someone was roleblocked. And we have no competing claims on either. Now, is it *possible* that the mafia would stack kills on chaoser or LSB to "confirm" Foolishness? I guess, but it's pretty silly, knowing that the medics were not supposed to protect any of them, and why would they protect either of those players anyway? But the mafia not roleblocking to confirm someone? The mafia not roleblocking on Day 1 with a devastating town plan in action? That seems really unlikely.
I think we should try to confirm BrownBear and Foolishness tonight. If we can do that, then it doesn't matter how LSB's plan didn't work out, because we've got confirmed townies. We had this situation last game, and we didn't do anything with it. Let's not make this mistake again, yes?
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On August 10 2010 01:34 youngminii wrote:
^ I'm all for that plan but I don't understand why you're jumping on the bandwagon. There hasn't been any substantial evidence against me, all that's been said is that "I've been playing differently". I don't even, what kind of argument is that. I can't even comprehend how I got 3 or 4 votes on me, that's just dumb.
Just watch when foolishness flips GF it'll all be fine. I suppose defending love1another doesn't buy me any townie points does it. Not that any of you can remember, since apparently I haven't posted anything.
The difference between your play this game, and your play last game is really really suspicious. There's a massive FoS on you, and you're acting like a child, throwing suspicion around and trying to get back at the people who accused you.
Plus, I'll use the same argument I used last time, if we lynch you, it confirms a lot of people. I guess you could say the same thing about BM, but I'm pretty sure BM is mafia, while you've looked nothing but suspicious from the first minute of the game.
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