• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:58
CEST 21:58
KST 04:58
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview5TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection5Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2
Community News
[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June0Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th151Weekly Cups (May 18-24): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League6
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview What kind of tool would you be interested in? TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 528 Infection Detected Welcome to the External Content forum
Brood War
General
FlaSh's ASL S21 Finals Review BW animated web series: seeking contributors 25 Years Since Brood War Patch 1.08 FlaShFTW vs A.Alm Grudge Match Event The Korean Terminology Thread
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Dating: How's your luck? Trading/Investing Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread How cold is too cold to be outdoors?
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Esportsmanship: How to NOT B…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5375 users

[D] Alternating Warpgate and Gateway Idea

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
lunesis
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada2 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-02 05:24:49
July 02 2010 05:24 GMT
#1
I'm sure that someone thought of this before but discarded it as it appears that the gain isn't worth the effort. The obvious draw back is the 13 seconds loss, 10 from gateway to warpgate and 3 from warpgate to gateway. With fastest build time unit, zealot, being 33 seconds and warpgate cooldown being 32 seconds, 2nd unit just comes out faster staying warpgate. However, 3rd will comes out faster this way.

Supposing only making zealots, numbers look like this:
warpgate only:
first (0) - second (32) - third (64) - fourth (96) - fifth (128)
alternating warpgate and gateway:
first (0) - gateway (3) - second (36) - warpgate/third (46) - gateway (49) - fourth (82) - warpgate/fifth (92)

Therefore, technically we can save quarter of build time by alternating warpgate and gateway. What if we're not building zealots? Then we can make them at warpgate phase and make zealots at gateway phase. As long as it starts with warpgate and ends with gate way, production time can be cut by roughly 28%, at no additional resource cost, and also having it on gateway phase reminds us to use chrono boost.
Xapti
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2473 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-02 05:40:46
July 02 2010 05:38 GMT
#2
I've heard this mentioned a few times, and I can't believe people care about things like that, and/or don't realize all the information, but I guess people always just want to figure out something other people don't know no matter how small.

Overall, if you are building a rather small and odd number of units per gate, yes you will be able to make a timing push faster than otherwise, but it's not very useful because it still takes longer than not building the extra unit, and takes considerably longer when you're building even numbers of units per gate.

I'm really just talking about this too much though. The bottom line is that:
1. The more you keep swapping, the less effective it becomes at being faster production on odd units than just warpgates
2. At any (reasonable) given span of time the warpgate will on average have better production than alternating modes.

Also, I said odd, but afaik it can be odd or even (but not both, ofc), depending if you're starting at warp gate or gateway.
"Then he told me to tell you that he wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" — "Well, you tell him that I said that I wouldn't piss on him if he was on Jeopardy!"
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
July 02 2010 05:42 GMT
#3
USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
italiangymnast
Profile Joined December 2009
United States246 Posts
July 02 2010 05:53 GMT
#4
On July 02 2010 14:42 sob3k wrote:
USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION


this

and idk - if this does have some kind of huge effect, blizz'll prolly patch it out.
SCII ID: Sanctuary LoL ID: erzin
Azuremen
Profile Joined May 2010
United States71 Posts
July 02 2010 06:23 GMT
#5
Use the search function indeed, as I did a bunch of math regarding this a couple of months ago. Basically, you get gains with anything above a Zealot, more so if you build the zealot on teh Gateway while using the Warpgate for Stalkers, etc.
The voice from up high spoke - "Build more pylons"
Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-02 06:32:21
July 02 2010 06:32 GMT
#6
Your math sucks bro. You only see significant production advantage while making templar. There is a slight benefit for stalkers and no benefit for zealots. Oh and search for this.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
July 02 2010 06:34 GMT
#7
Literally, all you would have had to do was search "warpgate," using the search function to find "http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=125873" aka "[D] Switching between gateways and warpgates" as the very first topic (now second because of yours). Really..?
lunesis
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada2 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-02 06:44:17
July 02 2010 06:40 GMT
#8
my apologies. I wasn't familiar with team liquid site (only posted twice) so I didn't search first.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL
19:00
Grand Finals
Bonyth vs Dewalt
ZZZero.O514
LiquipediaDiscussion
Patches Events
18:00
Patch Clash #7.5
RotterdaM692
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
uThermal 1545
RotterdaM 887
IndyStarCraft 226
SteadfastSC 176
ProTech95
BRAT_OK 87
Railgan 64
StarCraft: Brood War
ZZZero.O 543
Free 52
Counter-Strike
fl0m8316
xp31
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu378
Khaldor209
MindelVK11
Other Games
Grubby3409
FrodaN3166
C9.Mang0747
B2W.Neo712
Mlord574
mouzStarbuck184
ArmadaUGS101
Mew2King36
UpATreeSC34
OptimusSC29
Organizations
Other Games
EGCTV990
gamesdonequick720
BasetradeTV129
StarCraft 2
angryscii 35
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Reevou 8
• Response 1
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota264
Other Games
• imaqtpie847
• WagamamaTV347
• Shiphtur158
Upcoming Events
OSC
4h 2m
Wardi Open
15h 2m
Monday Night Weeklies
20h 2m
Replay Cast
1d 4h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 14h
Replay Cast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Maestros of the Game
2 days
Classic vs Lambo
Clem vs Maru
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Maestros of the Game
3 days
Serral vs Rogue
herO vs SHIN
Replay Cast
4 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KK 2v2 League Season 1
RSL Revival: Season 5
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
Maestros of the Game 2
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Murky Cup 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Heroes Pulsing #3
Heroes Pulsing #2
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.