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On April 16 2010 09:00 Bill Murray wrote: then go do one with more substance... excuse me for taking 5 minutes to try to get a bigger community No I mean I'm worried it might get you banned or warned or something and we would lose you for a few days -_- | ||
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I am announcing my candidacy as Mayor for this game. After taking a passive role in several of my past games, it is time for me to step up back into the spotlight, not as possible inactive lurking scum, but this time as a full-fledged inactive lurking town officer, with all of the power and glory that entails. Some of my opponents may bring up my past record, namely calling attention to my first game of mafia ever. Rest assured, dear fellows, that I will never repeat the same mistake - I will NEVER attempt to actually lead the town whilst in office. Furthermore, I will resolve to bring my posts down to the absolute minimum, so that the town can be assured that I am performing my real duties as a politician: embezzling taxes and hiring strippers. Furthermore, the sudden disappearance of our town's Hooker population has left many a john in need, with nowhere else to turn but violence. Our town's continual war with mafia families has cost us tens, if not hundreds of lives over the past several years, and yet peace has yet to be brokered. Why should we continue to fight if all it creates is unnecessary bloodshed? My friends, I will say nay to this senseless war and return back to the real issues, and if you will join me in my crusade, I will strive to put a Hooker on every corner of Liquidia! Elect d3_crescentia, for a prostitute for every Townie!! | ||
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1) The number of Assassins in this game is either: at least 2. It wouldn't make sense only if there was only 1 Assassin, and there being zero in this game would make even less sense. 2) Assumption: Mafia KP is Number/2 rounded up. Then, if we play strictly by Lynches/NK, we would have to lynch a Mafia by Day 4. We are then required to have 100% accuracy with our lynches, and the REQUIRED use of double lynches on subsequent days. Therefore it should be safe to use one of our double-lynches on Day 3, so long as we don't suffer any accidental townie casualties by Vigis or Assassins. The problem is that it shortens the town lifespan by about a day if we fail to lynch. Generally speaking, Day 3 is the turning point of most games so it seems reasonable to vote for a double then, but I'd rather wait and see how people are posting so far. Things that I have noticed: 1) BM completely not reading how Assassins work with his outlandish plan. They have limited NKs and rolechecks. 2) BC, we can't establish DT circles in this game because there are no PMs allowed, so this strategy seems pretty invalid as well. | ||
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I think everything said post role-PM should be considered, though obviously we shouldn't hold things against people if they haven't posted before now. jpak, it is currently Day 1. Perhaps we should be seeing you now. | ||
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Bill, how do you suppose your plan deals with the fact that no Assassin in their right mind would actually choose to follow it? The biggest powers that an Assassin has is anonymity and by relinquishing that it seems completely foolish for ALL of them to leave their victory at the mercy of the town. Plan would only work if there was a large enough number of assassins in the game (at the very least 3-4) so that there would be CLEAR benefits from being town-aligned. Maybe we should go ahead and lynch one of these 'useless' players just so we can show people that we're not fucking around. Generally I agree with Ace's opinion that we shouldn't really tolerate bad posting especially in a game this large. If everyone's a bad poster it just gives mafia that much of a better chance to hide amongst them. | ||
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On April 18 2010 21:45 Radfield wrote: Enough bickering guys, lets get down to business. Bill Murray, I think I finally understand what your plan is(maybe not though....), but I don't think it will work. The jist is that when a mafia gets put on the kill list, they will kill their killer in an effort to stay alive. Therefore, that person left alive must be mafia. But this relies on some pretty big assumptions. You're assuming the assassins will randomly use there abilities based on your list, and that the mafia will react based on the fear of the assassins. Can you give me an example where the town would glean valuable information from your plan and not just a bunch of conjecture? Also, we so far have two people claiming green roles and yet hinting that they're probably the miller. I may be new to the game, but is there really a scummier thing to do? Or is it just so obviously scummy that no sane mafia would ever say it? I haven't spotted these; who are they? Millers don't know that they're Millers. It's beyond idiocy to me why someone would claim it - it's just bad play overall no matter what your alignment is. | ||
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I find myself inclined to agree with Zona at this point - it's more beneficial for assassins to play pro-town in the beginning - rather, assassins playing pro-town in the beginning is the CONSEQUENCE of them acting in their own best interests. Their actions should be geared towards prolonging the game as long as possible, which in the beginning of the game is pro-town (doing role-checks, killing scum) and towards the late game is maybe a little pro-mafia, more pro-themselves. The number of assassins in the game also influences the kinds of actions they have. Mostly I've been thinking with the assumption that they have enough hits to take care of everyone else, or ~3 Assassins. If we had much more than 3, then we'd have a lot of rogue KP floating around which makes me inclined to think there aren't many vigis or DTs in the game, and that the assassins would have a much much larger role in affecting town policy once they're out of checks and kills. | ||
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Between Caller and Ace, I'm doubting Caller's mafia. Given there was a reason why we kept his trap shut for most of WaW it doesn't seem out of character as far as his posting goes, though I take issue that he'd go with a "if he flips green then you lynch me" play. Actually, I think we should lynch Jugan for these fine little posts that he keeps dangling in front of our eyes - always the slim lines of text, like a slim spaghetti-strap sliding down a shoulder, as our good friend Day[9] would put it - always teasing, but never any satisfaction. Okay, that's enough of that. In addition, there's that vote he put on KF91 that makes absolutely no sense at all. Any comments of substance you'd like to make there? | ||
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First half of the list hits the second half of the list on Night 1. Mafia puts all of their hits on list 2. We don't know who hit whom unless the Assassins step forward to roleclaim, at which point each Assassin instantly knows who all of the other Assassins are, and they all try to kill each other with no guarantee of individual victory. Therefore none of them will claim. Alternatively, the mafia can choose to put all of their hits on list 1 and then the Assassins on list 1 are revealed and quickly eliminated by their peers. Lastly, it allows for dumb ploys like a mafia claiming Assassin because the person across the list from them died. Bill was right in a way; this plan only really works if everyone (or, rather, a large section of the game) is an Assassin because this kind of plan only works when everyone has KP to use. TheLardyGooser, a mass roleclaim is just foolish at this point in time, because it singles out Blues to be sniped if they so decide to post honestly - and if not, then we're no better off than where we are now. Good night, folks. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + RebirthOfLegend Scaramanga RaGe [NyC]HoBbes Fulgrim krndandaman nbtnbt5 love1another jpak motbob Notes: I've removed Jugan, Incognito and KF91 from this list, though I'm still a bit iffy on KF91 as he hasn't said much recently. At any rate, this is a lot of people not saying or doing much. JadeFist isn't on this list either since he recently posted, BUT it's interesting to see what he posted: On April 19 2010 13:51 JadeFist wrote: Voted Caller. Last time I played decafchicken, a long time forum veteran, was the Godfather. I feel like the choice for mafia members is not entirely random and I wouldn't be surprised if a forum "celebrity" such as Caller was mafia. But whether or not someone is a forum veteran is irrelevant to if they're actually Mafia (and in that game decafchicken wasn't ANYWHERE near as active as Caller's being). If that were the case why not vote for Ace or Incognito or RoL? Let's not have any bandwagons going on here, whether they be from uninformed townies or scum redder than this delicious Sriracha sauce I've got here. Don't fade away into the darkness just yet; we've got more to talk about. | ||
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Who are our main candidates for lynch, and who's voting for them? 1. Caller - Ace, nai.Protoss, Jadefist I don't really see what Ace saw in Caller's posts, and with him not around at this point in time to explain his accusations I don't really think this lynch is really going to go anywhere. I've already expressed my concerns about Jadefist's vote here, but there really isn't much to do with that. As for nai.Protoss it just seems he's vote-retaliating, but that's hardly of use to anyone right now. 2. Bill Murray - motbob, AcrossFiveJulys, meeple Alright, now for some real meat-and-potatoes. BM was the author of that fine work, the Assassin plan, and thanks to the heroic actions of our fellow townies we've beaten that horse to death. Seems that all of the votes have been due to that one plan, and no one's really bothered to change since. Then there's Radfield's concerns, which are common to games with Bill as a participant, but does that change the fact that they've been equally valid across all aforementioned games? Supposedly, he's improved in the last few games, but where's the proof in this game? 3. Jugan - love1another, myself, Scaramanga, jpak I'm actually very, very concerned about this group of voters. I stated my original reasons (bad posting/semi-inactivity) for voting Jugan, and now that he's actually making an effort to participate I'm turning my attention to other inactives to try and get them to post. But the fact that love1another and jpak haven't been posting in the thread about their vote reasoning is disconcerting. Scaramanga's reasoning feels similar to mine, but I do wish he'd post more so we can keep an eye on him as well. 4. RoL - Fishball, Rage, IntoTheWow, Falcynn, DarthThienAn, TheLardyGooser As funny as getting a gang-rape train on RoL would be after his little post in the vote thread, I feel bad for the guy, since it'd be the the second game in a row that this shit's happened to him. I suppose that's what he gets for not posting, but I'll have reservations about following through with the lynch if he actually decides to speak up. Here's what I propose: we forget about Caller/Jugan for now, and the town consolidates its votes on either RoL or BM, so we don't face a no-lynch scenario at the end of the day. I'll be voting for BM currently, because I've yet to see a difference in his play so far. | ||
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On April 20 2010 04:24 Bill Murray wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 20 2010 03:59 d3_crescentia wrote: Posting from work, which is not blocking TL today. I am getting increasingly concerned that there are 10+ inactives lurking out there and that we have 25 votes though they're entirely scattered across the board. Who are our main candidates for lynch, and who's voting for them? 1. Caller - Ace, nai.Protoss, Jadefist I don't really see what Ace saw in Caller's posts, and with him not around at this point in time to explain his accusations I don't really think this lynch is really going to go anywhere. I've already expressed my concerns about Jadefist's vote here, but there really isn't much to do with that. As for nai.Protoss it just seems he's vote-retaliating, but that's hardly of use to anyone right now. 2. Bill Murray - motbob, AcrossFiveJulys, meeple Alright, now for some real meat-and-potatoes. BM was the author of that fine work, the Assassin plan, and thanks to the heroic actions of our fellow townies we've beaten that horse to death. Seems that all of the votes have been due to that one plan, and no one's really bothered to change since. Then there's Radfield's concerns, which are common to games with Bill as a participant, but does that change the fact that they've been equally valid across all aforementioned games? Supposedly, he's improved in the last few games, but where's the proof in this game? 3. Jugan - love1another, myself, Scaramanga, jpak I'm actually very, very concerned about this group of voters. I stated my original reasons (bad posting/semi-inactivity) for voting Jugan, and now that he's actually making an effort to participate I'm turning my attention to other inactives to try and get them to post. But the fact that love1another and jpak haven't been posting in the thread about their vote reasoning is disconcerting. Scaramanga's reasoning feels similar to mine, but I do wish he'd post more so we can keep an eye on him as well. 4. RoL - Fishball, Rage, IntoTheWow, Falcynn, DarthThienAn, TheLardyGooser As funny as getting a gang-rape train on RoL would be after his little post in the vote thread, I feel bad for the guy, since it'd be the the second game in a row that this shit's happened to him. I suppose that's what he gets for not posting, but I'll have reservations about following through with the lynch if he actually decides to speak up. Here's what I propose: we forget about Caller/Jugan for now, and the town consolidates its votes on either RoL or BM, so we don't face a no-lynch scenario at the end of the day. I'll be voting for BM currently, because I've yet to see a difference in his play so far. it's day 1 bro... the difference is i'm not taking day 1 seriously. what cases can i possibly make with no information? Also, why are you so considered to get a lynch right now? We have tons of time before the deadline. Care to explain? Point taken. I'm trying to encourage people to vote well-before the deadline and to give them suggestions as how to do it. I don't want a repeat of Mafia XVI where suddenly 7 townies die due to inactivity and there's no way for town to come back; seeing this many inactives right now is really bothering me. I'd also prefer there to be a lynch so we can at least get SOME information but I'd rather have everyone vote and a no-lynch than a lynch and 10 dead inactives. Here's something I'd like to point out while I'm still here: love1another has been active on TL recently, but not active here. Why? | ||
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Precisely why; he voted (with me) for you with no stated reasoning at all. Not exactly sure how I feel about that. On April 20 2010 05:31 d3_crescentia wrote: I'm trying to encourage people to vote well-before the deadline and to give them suggestions as how to do it. I don't want a repeat of Mafia XVI where suddenly 7 townies die due to inactivity and there's no way for town to come back; seeing this many inactives right now is really bothering me. Which Mafia XVI are you referring to? There were two. Also, don't let it bother you. You yourself are barely active, and it's only the first day.[/QUOTE] BC's Mafia XVI, the first game I played in. I say 'bother' only in a "this could ACTUALLY cost us the game" sense; I don't mind if people don't post often as long as they try to make posts of substance. Also, it's sentences like the last one that grates on my (and maybe others') nerves. | ||
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1. We can confirm that there are at least 3 assassins in this game (and I'm guessing fewer DTs/Vigis as a consequence/balance factor) 2. But, this doesn't really change our lynch timeline, as Day 3 is going to be pretty critical unless we have a ridiculous amount of assassins in this game 3. Get RaGe checked tonight. If he's scum, then we can lynch him; if not then we keep an eye on him. Ace, put my $50 on RaGe, for all it's worth. And no, judging by the OP Assassins don't cause the game to end if they fulfill their victory conditions. | ||
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