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3. As soon as one mafia family falls down to 2 or fewer members, they've essentially lost the game- they cannot win, because either they will be wiped out (the other mafia family wins), or they will reduce the other mafia family to 1-2 members in which case the Town wins. What incentive is there for this mafia family to keep playing, considering they cannot win? Will they have some kind of secondary objective, like a consolation prize? e.g. maybe a secondary objective of theirs would be to not be wiped out, in which case once they fall down to 2 members, they have to push for a Town win rather than let the other mafia family win. This is a very good question. | ||
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On February 10 2010 05:53 sidesprang wrote: maybe they retire as mafia and join the townies ?  So in the end the victory objective for the mafia changes to... killing the entire town? I don't see it... + Show Spoiler + I guess we could have 2, or even 3 families who are unaware of each other, but they should still aim to kill the town, no? | ||
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On February 10 2010 09:58 Incognito wrote: If the town is eliminated, then yes, it is true that the mafia with more members automatically wins. However, it is unlikely that all the townies will die before the mafia because the KP is under the mafia's control. The mafia do not know all the roles, so it is difficult for them to target only townspeople. Right, it is indeed unlikely all townspeople would be killed. I was only responding to this: On February 10 2010 07:03 Ver wrote: 3. The Mafia family can still kill off the town and then kill the other family. That ain't gonna work. | ||
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On February 11 2010 00:33 flamewheel91 wrote: Oh dude, unfortunately incog... I'm a "him" not a her haha. Quiet "free". + Show Spoiler + Kidding, sorry about the spelling last game. I kept it up for a while too! | ||
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On February 12 2010 07:55 tree.hugger wrote: I think it'll be nice to have a game where half the people and nearly all the blues aren't inactive... Lies. We're already on page 7. | ||
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1. I will run for office. If you did not follow Incognito's last game, click here for my quals. No fancy slogans or banners. All I can tell you is that, as a rule, I trust nobody, regardless of previous game history or in-game behavior. As an example, in my last game, I kept a vigilante on call just in case meeple (the mayor) was red. At that point we had a single unidentified mafia alive and 11 townies (I think). Furthermore, meeple had already been of great help catching many of the mafia. Still, I had no way of knowing 100% that this wasn't all some devious mafia plot, so I kept the vigilante hit available. This is how I play. 2. I don't agree with Ver/Ace's contention that analyzing clues helps the mafia. Don't get me wrong, I do think it will probably not lead to correct lynches on days 1 or 2, but it will force the mafia to leave a paper trail and provide us with mid-game behavioral clues. Recognizing that was a somewhat atypical experience, that thick paper trail helped a lot in the last game. An example from this thread: the exchange between L and Ace could be very useful at some point. The conversation started from L talking about clues. That small "hook" created juicy thread. So analyze/talk/argue away I say. | ||
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On February 14 2010 13:14 Chezinu wrote: I think it will be nearly impossible for town to get a mayor role unless the mafia allow it. So please mafia, can you let me get elected? LOL - good point. I guess my prior game credentials help with townies but hurt with mafia. Oh well. | ||
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On February 14 2010 21:13 Ver wrote: It seems pretty apparent that the mafia are lazy and just waiting on us to waste lynches on innocents. They don't really have any reason to contribute and it's pretty clear that the people posting real contributions are innocent (I'm too tired to make a list atm sorry) while the mafia just post a bit of garbage and/or sit around. What is your take on L and Zato-1's clue analysis then? Ace seemed to find them very interesting than that: On February 14 2010 11:45 Ace wrote: Like Ver said, talking too much about clues early is USELESS. Don't try to convince anyone that someone is Mafia based on clues for the first few days. It's nice to mention it, but do not make it a central point of focus. MTF and Camlito are the best 2 clue analyzers along with Plexa that we ever had. That was in Mafia 2 and it took a ton of planning + input from various people to even come to some of those conclusions. Chances are you won't be able to do much with clues this game unless you've got some additional proof. What I mean by this is catch someone on behavior analysis + clues + shoddy voting or motives. Saying "this clue points to Ace" is just stupid. Knowing this, I'm not surprised LL and Zato -1 are already accusing me. Look people, especially for you new players - I'm one of the biggest targets in any Mafia game. Every time. I'm super valuable. I catch people in lies all the time and I always save townies from the obvious bandwagon deaths. L and Zato may not have blatantly accused me but they just planted a seed of suspicion on me of all people, based on some wild clues. Be very wary of light weight accusations like this. Ace clearly says he is "not surprised" to be a target, since he is a known threat to the mafia (if he is innocent, of course). There is an implication that veteran players should know better than to go on clues so early, so veterans pointing fingers at him are presumably ill-intentioned and deliberate. Ver, on record, do you view this as background noise from both Ace and L? As I mentioned before, I personally do think we need to do some careful clue analysis. Unfortunately it will have to wait on my end, on weekends I barely have any time during the day. It sort of sucks that we have to vote by the end of today... but there will be other days I suppose. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Mafia 1: Sure enough, the two horsemen began slowly approaching the town. They did not rush across the field, but drifted in and out of the shadows, taking cover from the shadows cast by the clouds. Dreamflower became more nervous, and pointed her gun out the window, waiting for the horsemen to approach. However, she was startled as she noticed a figure walking towards the horsemen. She breathed a sigh of relief when she recognized Qatol. But what was Qatol doing out so late at night? Dreamflower was puzzled, but was snapped back into reality as she noticed the horsemen were only a football field away from her location. Thinking quickly, she decided not to fire a shot, but ran outside to get Qatol to safety. She tried to run in the shadows, but was caught in the middle of the road as the moon pierced through the cloud layer and shone directly on her. The horses neighed, and the first horseman charged dreamflower, spear aimed low at her gut. Dreamflower was blinded from the moonlight that reflected off the horseman, and was a little slow to react. She leaped to the left, and narrowly avoided death. But the second horseman just cackled loudly. Noticing Qatol sneak quietly into the barn to his right, he charged and leaped through the thin walls of the barn, landing straight on Qatol, who died instantly. In a panic, dreamflower ran back into her house to grab her gun, but it was futile. The ground felt moist, and dreamflower slipped as she ran through her front door. The house immediately combusted into flames as a torch flew through the window, igniting the oil-soaked residence. dreamflower’s last thoughts were confusion, for she thought that the torch flew through the window opposite the two horsemen. Mafia 2: Incognito was almost falling asleep standing up, but then noticed a house in flames in the distance. Immediately taking action, he raced down stairs and called up Kennigit to take care of the incident. By the time that both Kennigit and Incognito were racing towards dreamflower’s burning house, there was more commotion in the streets. Panicked citizens walked out of their houses to figure out what was happening, but they quickly retreated back to the safety of their homes once they heard gunshots and a hyena-like noise outside. The mayor and pardoner stopped in the town square, pausing for a moment to come up with a plan. But no plan would arise. The crazed psychopathic noises approached swiftly, and Incognito had no time to react as a shadowy figure leapt from a roof above and ripped his head off, still laughing as it raced down another alley leading out of the town square. Kennigit had time to get his thoughts together, and swiftly chased after the figure. But his path was suddenly blocked by one of the horsemen. Fearing that his end was near, Kennigit hid behind a barrel of wine, and was astonished that the horseman did not pursue him. However, at the end of the alleyway, he noticed a light getting brighter and brighter in magnitude. He heard a scowl, as the horseman turned around and fled the other way, riding as if he were either blinded or drunk. Kennigit emerged from behind the wine barrel, thinking that an angel had saved the town. Unfortunately, Kennigit did not find favor from the now radiant creature, and exploded into a shower of blue light. A few moments later, however, and the town was once again consumed with darkness. Possible links to players, ordered by position on sign-up list: BloodyC0bbler - profile picture fits the 2nd killer, mafia 2 Ace - profile pic / mafia 1 killer 1 - Profile quote matches killer 2 mafia 2. + Show Spoiler + If darkness is bad, why does it hide you? If light is good, why does it blind you? - ItEndsInTears Empyrean - name etymology matches killer 2, Mafia 2 Amber[LighT] - weak connection to killer 2, mafia 2 via clan tag. Fishball - profile pick possible connection to killer 1, mafia 2 Zato-1 - weak quote connection to dreamflower's killer + Show Spoiler + 'Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both', indeed. Unless... the fire! It burns! IT BURNS! STAY AWAY FROM ME! Mystlord - profile pic could point to both dreamflower's killer and mafia 2, killer 2 CynanMachae - profile pic / killer 1, mafia 1 I will also mention that I do once again think we have mafia candidates, so please take a closer look at everyone on that list (again in the order of sign-up). I find all the "general theory of mafia" posts distracting at best, and maybe even counter-productive. Don't let anyone put thoughts in your head about how a game should or should not go, and don't "trust" other players based on prior reputation (yes, this goes for me as well, and also Ver, Ace, L or any other candidate). Also, remember this is a brand-new format. Demand hard evidence whenever possible, and if you don't have it don't share sensitive information. Pay attention to who votes for whom, and when. I still have no idea why Chezinu initiallybrought my name up repeatedly in this election. It makes me nervous when I see that sort of supposed "trust", especially from a veteran player who I never previously spoke to. + Show Spoiler + Other than this, as far as I can tell meaningless message: To: Chezinu [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: Whats up! Date: 2/10/10 11:18 We shall see. What makes yo think that? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Your going to on my team! Campaign section: Since a few people questioned my level of activity: I am generally much less active during weekends and a lot more active during the week, if/when things are slow at work. Weekends are spent with the wife/daughter, who I don't see that much during the week. Another good question about my candidacy is how it relates to the last mafia game. As stated above, I will be the first to recommend you remain cautious about everyone's past experience in mafia games, myself included. I am not promising any "pew-pew laser" solutions: there are none, unless the mafia screws up in a major way. If I get elected fine, otherwise good riddance, 51 players = nightmare for an official! | ||
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