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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
January 11 2010 05:20 GMT
#1
Very entertaining zvp with some unconventional spells and big battles!
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
January 11 2010 06:21 GMT
#2
FlaF, as I said, I have no idea who that is. So I probably won't prepare too much for that match and just look straight on to Ret and prepare decently for him.
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
January 11 2010 07:10 GMT
#3
Look at comments if you want to avoid spoilers


good thing i looked at the comments, no spoilers here!
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
January 11 2010 07:12 GMT
#4
flaf is pretty good )
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
El Resplandor
Profile Joined June 2009
United States187 Posts
January 11 2010 07:15 GMT
#5
flaf had some sick macro this game o,o! props to him for staying focused thru all the stuff g5 throwed in
Live to win 'till you die... 'till the light dies in your eyes
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 11 2010 07:16 GMT
#6
man zulu is so edgy with his ironic replay descriptions!
Ftrunkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
January 11 2010 07:52 GMT
#7
On January 11 2010 15:21 Shauni wrote:
FlaF, as I said, I have no idea who that is. So I probably won't prepare too much for that match and just look straight on to Ret and prepare decently for him.

is that a g5 quote? :o.

Anyway i dont think he meant it in a bad way, since flaf plays z anyway by 'preparing' for ret he was still preparing for pvz?
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jhNz
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany2762 Posts
January 11 2010 08:46 GMT
#8
lol, nice description :D
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Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
January 11 2010 09:32 GMT
#9
G5 underestimated a lot FlaF with his mass DT and just paid the price of this :3
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
Mortician
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Bulgaria2332 Posts
January 11 2010 11:52 GMT
#10
On January 11 2010 16:10 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
Look at comments if you want to avoid spoilers


good thing i looked at the comments, no spoilers here!

"If anything, the skill cap in sc2 is higher [than sc1] because there are a lot more things you can do at one given time. " darmousseh
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8093 Posts
January 11 2010 12:07 GMT
#11
Man g5 got way to cockey, like get a few dark archons not like 20 dt's
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
January 11 2010 14:22 GMT
#12
On January 11 2010 18:32 Glioburd wrote:
G5 underestimated a lot FlaF with his mass DT and just paid the price of this :3


#2
instead of going rvr, noooo he has to play this arrogant sair/mass dt style. glad he lost this game, if you play like this with $10000 at stake something is wrong with you
"jk CLG best mindgames using the baron to counterthrow" - boesthius
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
January 11 2010 15:18 GMT
#13
Why was it arrogant? It gave him a lot more mobility and it would have easily won him the game if he recognized his timing window where there was zero detection in the upper left (or used shuttles with some of those dts on the main). And even failing that, it would have set him up for a late game with reavers rather nicely (if he got them earlier...).
Heaven.ReV
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Norway86 Posts
January 11 2010 15:21 GMT
#14
Here's another quote from G5 from his most recent interview (afaik):

"I still don't know much about FlaF. I have been told a few things from friends about him but nothing worth noting. He qualified for TSL so he obviously isn't someone you can take lightly, and I won't. My PvZ right now is the best it has ever been. I have been fortunate for many years that I have so many friends who are some of the fiercest players outside of Korea. I will definitively be calling on them for advice / practice in the upcoming days / weeks to prepare for my matches vs FlaF and possibly Ret."

And his finishing words in the very same interview: "I will be bringing my A-GAME every match I play throughout this tournament. If I lose it won't be because I was unprepared"

So stop talking about how he underestimated him, was allegedly arrogant etc. G5 is "clean", so to speak.
Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
January 11 2010 15:35 GMT
#15
On January 12 2010 00:18 zer0das wrote:
Why was it arrogant? It gave him a lot more mobility and it would have easily won him the game if he recognized his timing window where there was zero detection in the upper left (or used shuttles with some of those dts on the main). And even failing that, it would have set him up for a late game with reavers rather nicely (if he got them earlier...).


what good are 12(?) dts for when u want to attack a base? 1 spore at each base is enough to prevent drone harass, even if u kill every lord on the map. instead of going rvr like he did later at his expo at 3. this mass dt style is something i only saw from mana until today (on colo against some romanian z, maybe that was flaf too t.t). i mean, it's not like it was some fancy dweb into hatchery snipe style.. imo there is no other explanation but arrogance/cockiness.
"jk CLG best mindgames using the baron to counterthrow" - boesthius
Heaven.ReV
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Norway86 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-11 15:56:18
January 11 2010 15:56 GMT
#16
The dt + corsairs seemed to grant G5 a lot of map control as well as the numbers of corsair made drops hard for FlaF. Assuming it's only arrogance seems like quite the ignorant statement, to me. Also, note that he switched unit composition as soon as FlaF got too many hydras - it seemed like it was a reaction to FlaF's unit composition, at least.
Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-11 16:13:07
January 11 2010 16:10 GMT
#17
yes, going sairs is ok. but not that many dt. he had map control before that too with the standard gateway army.
maybe I'm wrong with saying he played arrogant, but I dont think so. the off cans at the third f.e., i dont know if he would try that in a game against mondragon/ret.. and, although i might be mistaken here: I didn't see a shuttle. So his plan was not to drop the dt's to kill some tech/harass drones, it looked like he wanted to kill the ultra/hyd/defiler army with dt/sair alone.

but yeah, maybe I'm wrong. Would like to know what G5 has to say to this

€: the plague on the dts was such a nice counter. i assume that's why flaf went for ensnare in the first place, make the dt visible.
"jk CLG best mindgames using the baron to counterthrow" - boesthius
Leath
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada1724 Posts
January 11 2010 16:12 GMT
#18
On January 12 2010 00:35 Djin)ftw( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2010 00:18 zer0das wrote:
Why was it arrogant? It gave him a lot more mobility and it would have easily won him the game if he recognized his timing window where there was zero detection in the upper left (or used shuttles with some of those dts on the main). And even failing that, it would have set him up for a late game with reavers rather nicely (if he got them earlier...).


what good are 12(?) dts for when u want to attack a base? 1 spore at each base is enough to prevent drone harass, even if u kill every lord on the map. instead of going rvr like he did later at his expo at 3. this mass dt style is something i only saw from mana until today (on colo against some romanian z, maybe that was flaf too t.t). i mean, it's not like it was some fancy dweb into hatchery snipe style.. imo there is no other explanation but arrogance/cockiness.


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Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
January 11 2010 16:16 GMT
#19
? if i remember that game correctly, backho went for an early aggression with his mass dts. what's taht got to do with anything? g5 was already maxed with 5 bases when he replaced parts of his army with sair/dt
"jk CLG best mindgames using the baron to counterthrow" - boesthius
Leath
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada1724 Posts
January 11 2010 18:18 GMT
#20
I just thought DTs in PvZ was a bit more common. I dont think only G5 and Mana has used them in large counts before.
Perhaps DT/Sair is easier to manage mixing reaver in the army, and it is pretty good if you stay defensive -specially to intercept drops-
I am not sure if it was the best move for G5, but definitely one possible counter to mass ultra/ling is sair/dt.
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