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On January 05 2010 19:47 Scamp wrote: Word. I actually plan to play this game through. I'm really surprised it was Vivi who first said to kill me and not L, considering how often I seem to get L killed. Also isn't NemY the one that's supposed to claim medic on day one? Last time this happened the town got in a major BS argument day 1 and then won when our mafia leader ragequit because Vivi logged in 2 minutes late. Oh wait he claimed detective. Maybe this will turn out better. I guess the evidence points to killing Vivi. For what it was worth I R/C'd DT to try and get myself in mayoral office, but yeah... so far every game I've seen somebody R/C as a blue, the results do not turn out well... If I were DT I would probably rolecheck someone random, because honestly if Ace and/or L are mafia, one of them almost assuredly has to be the GF. Really no point to role checking them yet then, is there? | ||
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On January 06 2010 05:46 HeavOnEarth wrote: so a medic claim short of a DT role-check i don't see how you can be confirmed, and that could barely qualify as concrete evidence regardless , seeing how you openly claimed. so obviously im missing out on your plan , as the rest of the town. why would you keep this information/plan hidden ? also, this, ? i suggest if there is another medic , they counterclaim. the odds of there being 2 medics in a ~11-12 player game is substantial. the fact that you posted this statement is rather godfatherly. Assuming judge is a medic, I highly doubt there's another medic out there. Given that there's 11 people, 3 are mafia, and the mafia only have a KP of 1; 2+ medics would be somewhat imbalanced towards the town. Of course if another person were to roleclaim medic then that would make things very fishy between judge and the person who additionally roleclaimed medic. | ||
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On January 06 2010 06:14 L wrote: But that's the thing, no one can ever be confirmed BY judge without judge messaging them that they were protected last night and even then that doesn't tell them anything because the vet could have been hit or the hit could have been held. Is this starting to make more sense? So... what you are saying is that there is no real way to confirm that judge is a medic? | ||
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On August 24 2009 14:27 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: Here's the problem with the "medic claims" plan - the mod can discretionarily leave out any of those roles. So mafia can make a gambit and say "I'm the DT." and the medic only gets one DT claim. You bus one mafioso, since KP doesn't change. Medic announces "ydg is mafia" and then people lynch him and he is, DT is trusted. NK a townie. Town is down to 9, takes 5 to lynch. The fake-DT offers up an innocent. Town lynches someone else as long as the fake-DT's partner lays low. They nightkill the innocent. Down to 7, takes 4 to lynch. Another innocent is offered up. Another non-investigated player is lynched. Said innocent is NKed. Down to 5, takes 3 to lynch. Lylo for town. fake-DT offers an innocent, lynch the other, and GG. They NK the other non-medic and 2 mafiosos vote to lynch the medic next day. One mafioso is sacced to gain the trust of the town and then it's field day. EDIT: That's just one scenario that could play out. You could have a medic only game in this format theoretically. The semi-openness is what makes it balanced. It's very hard for a semi-open format to be broken by a massclaim because you can have as many or as little of each role. was posted in the previous Mini-Mafia game here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=99804¤tpage=20 Now Judge specifically dismisses the idea of a anyone publicly roleclaiming and now he wants us to believe that it's ok with him? Are you suppose to be an exception to your own rule? You say you have a fail-safe plan? This game isn't designed to have fail-safe 100% guaranteed plans. Besides that, the track record with anybody publicly role-claiming before night one is zilch I believe (myself included). All they do is start needless chaos and mayhem (which is always in the best interests of the mafia). The best method for reducing this needless drama is getting rid of them early. This is why I'm voting to lynch Judge. | ||
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On January 07 2010 13:10 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10705 So let me get this straight Judge, your plan hinges on a modification of a somewhat solid plan used in a previous mafia game? Love it! That being said I almost feel like we should keep you alive since you maybe have a halfway decent plan... oh wait that's right you role claimed medic at the start of the game and are now trying to convince us to believe your plan based on trust!, what a nobel idea! Because nobody ever lies in a game of mafia! I seriously feel like everyone that voted malongo is either mafia, idiots or most likely both. There's seriously no reason for anyone to have fucking voted for him; yes i get that it's hard to peg someone in the beginning and that the first lynch is essentially a random pick, but there are plenty worse players to pick from than him. I mean come on both L and Ace made a list of people who essentially suck, or don't contribute anything productive! I was a better pick to lynch then malongo, yet you guys decided to blindly stumble upon a solid player and kill him over what? someone who did something fishy/shady/stupid? Great thinking guys! Any other bright ideas? | ||
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On January 08 2010 13:25 Chezinu wrote: Hmm.. No clues, and no majority lynches made for an awkward D1. However, I have a plan. I AM A DECTECTIVE. Stop. Read. Let it sink in. I just openly claimed to start the second day. Other detectives (if you exist), stay in hiding. Why? BLIND FAITH. It is needed. For once trust somebody who you think is crazy for once. What if I really am the detective? What if I found out mikeymoo is mafia? Let me think.... Why else would one abandon the brown? I have seen the light! Never before have this happen! Crazy things happen in incog's world! Last time I visited this world my father Ace betrayed me! This is not a world for brown but of blue! Listen to my words! I truly am the Detective! Mikeyoo is mafia!!! I could not think of any reasonable way to tell you guess im blue. Just look at the statistics. I have never been blue before not once. You think I would ever abandon the brown for any other reason? So I call upon the GREAT LACES to help me lead this town to lynch mikeymoo! This move is so unbelievably dumb on every aspect of the game that I feel forced to disregard it all-together. If you really are the DT why would you do this? SACRIFICING YOURSELF FOR ONE MAFIA IS NOT A JUST CAUSE ESPECIALLY WHEN IT DOESN'T ALTER THE KP. No rather I think you think you're so sure mikeymoo is mafia that you're willing to lie to convince the town. Why you're so sure of mikeymoo being mafia? I don't know the exact reason but I know you're not a dt, BECAUSE A DT WOULD NEVER GIVE THEMSELVES UP UNLESS THEY'RE SURE THEY HAVE PROTECTION. | ||
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On January 08 2010 17:21 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: You guys are too narrow-minded and retarded if you can't see from all of my posts how checking me would confirm me. My aim is to bring the town together into a situation where we can win this game. I don't know how many more fucking times I have to say it. And I don't believe Chez is a DT because this whole thing is too convenient. Do you really believe that he just happened to check a player and find mafia? Do you really think that Chezinu was able to use the PMs he sent out to people to figure out who is who? You know what he PMed me? "Bye." What kind of read is he going to get off of any response from that. FUCKING. NONE. Right now, mafia are scared shitless. I managed to convince the town that I'm legit and that I have a plan to break them. And they know by my constant insistence on this plan, I ain't bullshitting them, I'm shooting straight. So they're scrambling. They have at least one intelligent player on their squad who realizes sacrificing one mafia for the greater good won't alter their KP. So they take MikeyMoo, a player who people had been slightly suspicious of, and they sacrifice him. He's obviously not the GF. They now have Chezinu, who might be the GF covering himself as a DT, and who has been acting arbitrarily all game long, claim that he is a DT and out of nowhere has a guilty. It fits Chez's profile no matter what he draws - he plays like a jackass. He will get the town to lynch Mikeymoo. Mikey will flip mafia. People will buy into "Woo! Chez is DT." Knowing this site's whole "FOLLOW THE PR LOLZ" mentality in the games, they will either a) manipulate his results to push mislynches and kill their cleared or b) get a town circle "established" and have a full list. BTW, I said my plan would come as soon as I got my confirmed DT check. Without it, my plan is null. I believe your plan is going to remain null, because nobody is concerned for you and your plan. Role-claiming Day 1 is retarded and should never ever happen (I speak from experience). Convince the town that you're legit? Who have you convinced? Certainly not me, because YOU'VE DONE NOTHING to convince me you're legit. Judging by the fact that you were 2nd in votes to be lynched, then i'd say you haven't convinced the town of too much yet either. You keep speaking of a plan (that I think will be flawed and/or manipulated) that will never happen because the real DT is not going to check you! You can't just role claim and expect people to follow you on "blind faith" alone. I'm sticking to my guns on this one and I'm voting to lynch you because unlike the other people who have falsely role-claimed so far, I believe you are smarter then they are and your plan is mafia-oriented. | ||
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On January 08 2010 21:15 Zato-1 wrote: Okay, so. By now, many people seem to be impatient. I know stuff that makes me be less impatient- for instance, I now know Judge not to be mafia with a pretty high degree of certainty, due to a few PMs. I will proceed to publicly post those PMs which explain why he has gained my trust. But before that, I'd like to announce I'm a Vigilante. Call my roleclaiming retarded all you want- I think it's more important for the Town to throw some information out into the open and organize ourselves, than it is to keep my blue role hidden for fear of getting hit at night. I mean, I'm basically a green townie with a bonus kill, which I'll probably use tonight anyway, so I wouldn't be such a huge loss even if mafia hit me tonight due to my roleclaim. My original PM to Judge: "To: vx70GTOJudgexv [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Mini Mafia 2 Date: 1/6/10 06:03 I've played with you before, read your posts, and thoroughly considered your role claim. You may be mafia, in which case I'm condemning myself with this PM, but I think you're not. So, I just wanted to let you know. I'm the vigi." It's a risky move, because in case Judge was mafia, I'd probably die on night 1. This is the reply I got: "From: vx70GTOJudgexv [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: Mini Mafia 2 Date: 1/6/10 08:06 Thanks for trusting me. I am not in fact mafia. I will have a purpose for you in the coming days. Right now, play enough to avoid being lynched, but not enough to become a NK target. I need you alive N2 for my plan to work out." The fact that he wanted me to save my kill for night 2 made me a bit suspicious- maybe he just wanted me to save it while he killed me at night 1. At any rate, if mafia hit me on Night 1, it'd be very likely Judge would be responsible for it, so I sent another PM to L, incriminating Judge in case I died, just before Night 1 ended: PM TO L BEGINS HERE, SO MANY QUOTATION SIGNS MAY MAKE IT CONFUSING: "To: L [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Before night ends Date: 1/8/10 11:18 Hey L. I wanted to inform you of these PMs I had with Judge, in case I don't survive the night: "Thanks for trusting me. I am not in fact mafia. I will have a purpose for you in the coming days. Right now, play enough to avoid being lynched, but not enough to become a NK target. I need you alive N2 for my plan to work out. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I've played with you before, read your posts, and thoroughly considered your role claim. You may be mafia, in which case I'm condemning myself with this PM, but I think you're not. So, I just wanted to let you know. I'm the vigi." Starts with a reply from Judge, and my own message which initiated the conversation is below. As you can see, I roleclaim Vigilante to him (which I'm not, by the way), and he says he'll need me to hit something on Night 2. In case Judge is mafia, he'll likely take my bait and kill me on Night 1. So yeah. If I die, it's probably because of that PM, and because Judge is mafia." PM TO L ENDS HERE. If Judge was mafia, and L wasn't, I would die on night 1 and L would know Judge to be mafia. If Judge was Town and L was mafia, I wasn't putting myself on any more immediate danger- I lied to L, telling him I'm not a Vigilante, in order to look like a less desirable target for night 1. At this point, I'm fairly convinced Judge is Town-aligned. The fact that I lived through night 1 does little to confirm L, however, so he isn't confirmed yet as far as I'm concerned. I won't expect everyone to believe me or to begin trusting Judge now. But know that I do trust him now, and from this post onwards, you know my reasons for placing that trust; I thought he wasn't mafia on day 1, and after night 1 came and went, this hunch has gained some substance. Yes, he isn't 100% confirmed to be Town-aligned just yet. However, he certainly looks more Town-aligned to me than anyone else, at the moment. Or maybe Judge is smart enough to see the scenario you pointed out thus leaving you alive for another day? Or maybe he doesn't believe you to be vigi(I certainly don't)? Or maybe you two are both mafia and fabricated this whole thing to try and gain the towns trust? I don't know, but the situation isn't so black/white as you presented it. | ||
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On January 09 2010 07:43 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: NemY I said it about 5 minutes before you Oh and I meant to also say that IF Chezinu isn't the real DT, the other one should check him asap. This is once again assuming that we actually have DT's which was said earlier is most likely scenario. I was replying to posts in the order that I've seen them, I can't really help if i'm echoing your sentiments. I'm going to take a break from this a bit, this game's been... interesting to say the least lol. | ||
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On January 10 2010 14:16 L wrote: I'm not so much 'okay' with chez's thoughts, so much as I think that regardless of if he's bullshitting or not, mikey should be killed first. If mikey is mafia, we don't vig chez. If mikey is innocent, we vig chez. Even if mikey flips mafia, I don't think that clears chez. I agree with this. TBH I don't really understand the killing of HeavenOnEarth... he didn't carry that much power within the town; I would have expected someone like L, Ace or Vivi to get the first hit. I don't know about Chez. While I doubt he's mafia, I also seriously doubt he's DT, so nobody should RC to him. | ||
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1.) Original Message: it was from a previous mafia game in which i role claimed DT and pretty much fucked the town over for the rest of the game. I was a legitimate DT, but in doing what I did, I basically caused a shit ton of chaos and mayhem which far benefited the mafia over the town... this is why i'm in favor of lynching Judge and against anyone ever publicly role claiming this early in the game... ----------------------------------------- Original Message: looking at your profile and was like: "I'm the detective" Start above here^^ You see nemY's answer? Yeah, thats what I thought as you can see he is evil!!! He asked me why my profile pic is what it is. If you haven't seen it yet click here: + Show Spoiler + I'm pretty sure most of you know it's from a previous mafia game in which RC'd DT at the start of the game and essentially fucked up the game. The only reason the town actually won was because the mafia alt+QQ'd the game. Hence why I am now 100% against ANYONE role claiming (especially blues). DT, Medic, Vigi, Vet, whatever the role is, it starts a shit ton of crap that once started, is difficult to calm down! Makes sense? That's why I'm all for lynching Judge, we all knew he WASN'T the medic after he RC'd, yet we've allowed him to live so that he can carry on what... some possibly flawed plan? 2.) From: nemY [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: so I was like Date: 1/7/10 09:34 I'm the AntiChrist in this one. Quit fishing for roles buddy. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: So are you the medic? and here I like to spread info: Me: Original Message: Judge, Malongo, or L? Mikey: I'm thinking judge, but I'm still very on-the-fence and generally confused. My problem with voting Malongo is that he's more likely to be innocent than judge, imo, and starting a late train on L is going to prove difficult, given time constraints. What are your thoughts? ~mikey There is nothing incriminating at all in this post. You are fishing for my role, I'm not telling you shit and I'm still not telling you shit about what my true role is. You try to buy my acceptance by offering up some bullshit info from mikeymoo. I ignored it (as I often have a habit of doing with your PMs) because I doubt it's integrity. 3.) Nice try buddy, but this PM is incriminating towards YOU not me. I guess I should share more pm's that I had with nemY! To: nemY [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Just need a little faith Date: 1/9/10 07:21 You are really close to figuring me out. But I know 100% that mikey is mafia. *hint hint* He didn't even respond to me!! Reminds me of mikey... Stupid mafia trying to ignore me!!! You sent me this PM after I blasted you for being an idiot for R/Cing DT. Here's the post I'm talking about: On January 09 2010 07:11 nemY wrote: This move is so unbelievably dumb on every aspect of the game that I feel forced to disregard it all-together. If you really are the DT why would you do this? SACRIFICING YOURSELF FOR ONE MAFIA IS NOT A JUST CAUSE ESPECIALLY WHEN IT DOESN'T ALTER THE KP. No rather I think you think you're so sure mikeymoo is mafia that you're willing to lie to convince the town. Why you're so sure of mikeymoo being mafia? I don't know the exact reason but I know you're not a dt, BECAUSE A DT WOULD NEVER GIVE THEMSELVES UP UNLESS THEY'RE SURE THEY HAVE PROTECTION. Read that last part again. I blast Chez on how I don't think he's DT and he sends me a PM saying essentially saying that I'm right and that is mikey is mafia. We all know he had it out for mikey before the night even ended, then he conveniently "role checks" and mikey comes up mafia which he uses in an attempt to gain the town's trust. Now he's after me and posting PMs completely out of context. If that isn't mafiaish, then I don't know what is. I feel like I should still be voting for Judge (because I doubt the validity to his statements although my doubts are fading), but your shit reeks oh so much more than his. Provided I survive the night (which I'm sure you've guaranteed) I'm voting to lynch you ASAP. I eagerly await ignoring your wave of 1-2 line posts saying essentially nothing. | ||
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On January 11 2010 09:17 Zato-1 wrote: On an unrelated note: These are the voting tallies for Day 2 lynching: + Show Spoiler + Chezinu: (3) Ace vx70GTOJudgexv mikeymoo mikeymoo: (6) RebirthOfLeGend Chezinu Scamp Vivi57 Zato-1 L vx70GTOJudgexv: (1) nemY Note how the only people who don't vote for mikeymoo are Ace, mikeymoo, nemY and Judge. Judge I can sort of understand given how pissed off he was at Chezinu for screwing up his plan. Same for mikeymoo, usually people won't vote to lynch themselves. nemY and Ace look suspicious, again; the argument to lynch mikeymoo first and Chez second (assuming mikeymoo didn't turn out red) was sound, from the Town's point of view. Incriminating somewhat. It would be expected that at least one of the mafia would vote for mikeymoo to stay under the radar. I'm not saying you're wrong (although yeah I kinda am since you're incriminating ME), I'm merely countering your statement. | ||
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