• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:47
CEST 11:47
KST 18:47
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners5Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June2Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th151Weekly Cups (May 18-24): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League6
StarCraft 2
General
TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Douyu Cup 2026 Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected Welcome to the External Content forum
Brood War
General
Data needed Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW fans in southern Sweden, look here! 25 Years Since Brood War Patch 1.08
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread PC Games Sales Thread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Summer Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] NBA General Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How Streaming Impacts Game P…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7723 users

Who is StarCraft's progaming average Joe?

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 Next All
Slugbreath
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden201 Posts
October 20 2009 16:41 GMT
#1
People have always been interested in discussing the extremes. List of the top 10 best movies of all times or the worst games ever released circulate the internet and are posted faster than IdrA can GG.

But what about the most average singer ever? Or the apple pie that left the most forgettable impression on your mind? Is it not due to these everyday, regular, normal (contains rude words, so beware you regularly sensitive people out there!) things that make the best and the worst stand out? Without something "normal" to compare things with, how could we define somebody as the best?

That said, I embarked on an epic a not that special journey to find the most average of all progamers in StarCraft!

So how to do this? The first idea that sprung into my mind was to see which race was the most played on the professional level and which team had the most members and then, looking at the players of that race on that team and selecting whomever was most average of them.

Quick quizz for all you out there then! Which team has most members as of now?
+ Show Spoiler +
SK Telecom T1


And which race is played the most?
+ Show Spoiler +
Protoss! (Unless I counted wrong, of course.)
So clearly Average Joe the StarCraft professional has to be from Aiur.


So what do we end up with? Well, it comes down to a total of eight players. They are:
+ Show Spoiler +
(P)BeSt
(P)Bisu
(P)Doctor.K
(P)GgMaN[Name]
(P)haitai
(P)KT.MGW)Protoss
(P)Paralyze
(P)TosSLove


But this is where the problems start. Who of all these players can be described as most average? The only thing I could think of was looking at their ELO ratings, but seing how only a minority of them even had one it was a futile atempt. Instead I had to look at their win rating.
+ Show Spoiler +
Bisu has won 370 out of 417 listed games giving him a 88.73% win rate.
BeSt has won 146 out of 244 listed games. 59.84%
KT.MGW)Protoss has won 5 out of 10. 50,00%
Doctor.K has won 46/101. 45.54%
TosSLove has won 15/35. 42,86%
haitai has won 1/5. 20,00%
Paralyze has won 2/10. 20,00%
GgMaN[Name] has won 1/9. 11,11%

Now clearly we can't draw any serious conclusion from this data seing how so many of the players have played so few listed games. But ignoring that we can see that the median player of the team is either KT.MGW)Protoss or Doctor.K.

However! I was not satisfied with this, oh no! In the name of true science I decided to look at all players, not just the SK Telecom:ers or the Protosses. No, instead I decided to look at the ELO rating of all active progamers and find the median, setting those with no ELO rating at the bottom of the scale.

The result? I ended up with a median ELO rating of 1962, which was shared by three players:
+ Show Spoiler +
(P)HakSoo
(Z)Crazy-Hydra
(Z)n.Die_soO

Funny how two of them end up with "soo" in their IDs, don't you think? After once again consulting win ratios, selected the one with the median win ratio and thus ended up with just one player. So without further ado, I present to you mister Average Joe, the progamer:
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]

(P)HakSoo, truly a legend in his own right.
I hereby declare him the master of regular play.
siv00
Profile Joined September 2009
261 Posts
October 20 2009 16:43 GMT
#2
Hyuk
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-20 22:32:26
October 20 2009 16:49 GMT
#3
This is really irrelevant.

May I ask why you felt compelled to do this?

EDIT: Not... funny...
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
October 20 2009 16:58 GMT
#4
this is a pathetic thread. just because SKT has the most players doesn't mean the player has to come from them.

you're variables are illogical.
☆★☆ 7486!!! Join the Ban mOnion Anti-Trolling Initiative! - Caller | "on a scale of machine to 10, how bad is that Zerg?" - LZgamer | you are the new tl.net bonjwa monion, congrats - Rekrul | "Cheeseburgers dynamite lilacs" - Chill
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
October 20 2009 17:02 GMT
#5
How is he average? He has a 16,67% win rate!
RedArmor
Profile Joined September 2009
United States13 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-21 06:11:37
October 20 2009 17:05 GMT
#6
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/omara86/whatwhat.gif

User was temp banned for this post.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
October 20 2009 17:09 GMT
#7
Canata
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
October 20 2009 17:23 GMT
#8
I thought it was a cool concept, but your criteria were pretty dumb... a statistic average will always produce something dumb.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
Phelix
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1931 Posts
October 20 2009 17:24 GMT
#9
On October 21 2009 02:09 disciple wrote:
Canata


Totally agree with this statement.
Venture Capital is better off spent on lottery tickets rather than investing in E-Sports; you'll get a far better return. The difference is simple: Koreans are tryharding at the game, foreigners are tryharding in real-life.
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
October 20 2009 17:26 GMT
#10
I liked the thread
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
October 20 2009 17:29 GMT
#11
What the hell Bisu has 370 wins out of 416 games?????
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
October 20 2009 17:40 GMT
#12
On October 21 2009 02:29 EtherealDeath wrote:
What the hell Bisu has 370 wins out of 416 games?????


ok what? I just read that again and that's definitely unreal. No progamer will ever come close to 88% win.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
October 20 2009 17:47 GMT
#13
i think it would be better if u didnt care about which team the gamer came from, instead just take the most common race and see whos closest to 50% win rate in the mus ^^
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
blue_arrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1971 Posts
October 20 2009 17:54 GMT
#14
my mind was just blasted by your logic
| MLIA | the weather sucks dick here
Smorrie
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands2941 Posts
October 20 2009 18:05 GMT
#15
Nothing wrong with this thread imo. You guys are taking his analysis way too serious. This obviously is a thread with humorous taste that should be looked at with a wink.. I enjoyed it
It has a strong technique, but it lacks oo.
LCC
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada348 Posts
October 20 2009 18:15 GMT
#16
(P)HakSoo is a good choice, though I personally would have went with (T)Notice.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-20 18:23:16
October 20 2009 18:19 GMT
#17
I thought that zergs were the most common currently active race?

Yes, Zergs are the most common race. Just checked TLPD.

edit edit : I say that it's thezerg, hyun, or shark.
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
October 20 2009 18:21 GMT
#18
Your logic makes no sense and if you knew anything at all about Haksoo you would not call his play "standard".
brood war for life, brood war forever
sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
October 20 2009 18:48 GMT
#19
The answer is (P)Rock.
mG.sixghost @ iCCup || One ling, two ling, three ling, four... Camp four gas, then ultra-whore . -Saracen
Crahptacular
Profile Joined December 2008
United States295 Posts
October 20 2009 18:57 GMT
#20
Even considering that this isn't meant to be serious, it's just so poorly executed that it fails to be entertaining. The entire thing is nonsensical.
1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 14m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko317
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 3060
Jaedong 456
Pusan 191
Rush 144
Mini 116
EffOrt 85
Leta 79
Mind 73
ToSsGirL 46
ZergMaN 41
[ Show more ]
Backho 35
soO 19
Sacsri 18
sorry 7
NotJumperer 7
Liquid`Ret 1
Dota 2
XcaliburYe0
Counter-Strike
fl0m3110
olofmeister1149
shoxiejesuss494
kennyS256
zeus248
Other Games
WinterStarcraft668
Fuzer 78
SortOf15
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV192
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 21
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota241
League of Legends
• Jankos1894
• Nemesis1321
Upcoming Events
OSC
3h 14m
Maestros of the Game
4h 14m
Classic vs Maru
Serral vs herO
TBD vs Clem
TBD vs Rogue
Replay Cast
14h 14m
CranKy Ducklings
1d
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 5h
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
1d 9h
eOnzErG vs Mihu
Messiah vs XuanXuan
Jaystar vs TerrOr
Dewalt vs Bonyth
eOnzErG vs XuanXuan
Mihu vs TerrOr
Messiah vs Bonyth
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
2 days
Jaystar vs Dewalt
eOnzErG vs TerrOr
XuanXuan vs Bonyth
Mihu vs Dewalt
Messiah vs Jaystar
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
TerrOr vs Dewalt
OSC
2 days
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL Season 22
2026 GSL S2
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
Acropolis #4 - GSB
SCTL 2026 Spring
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Murky Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #3
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.