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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
September 09 2009 23:39 GMT
#1
Umm... I don't know if I should put this in the Strategy forum or the Broodwar one since this isn't really about 'strategy' but more of a personal experience. So anyways, I was just wondering if anyone of you higher rank players feel 'tireness' while playing SC. I can keep my APM above 200 for the first 10 minutes but when it reaches to a point when my fingers just get too tired to move and I had trouble keeping up and sometime even get dizzy. Did you guys ever felt that before? If so, how did you cope with it?
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FortuneSyn
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1826 Posts
September 09 2009 23:46 GMT
#2
Yeah I feel it whenever I try to force my apm above what I'm used to. When I had 120 apm or so, when i played with 150 I would get really tired. Now I can just play 3 hours straight with 190apm average.
lighter
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States152 Posts
September 09 2009 23:47 GMT
#3
haha, guess that means youre not ready for 200 apm
sounds like you are straining yourself, but having high apm is a gradual process, and you should slowly work it up. i only get dizzy if i play for several hours, and my palms start dripping like crazy
YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
September 09 2009 23:48 GMT
#4
haha dizzy? :D

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DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
September 10 2009 00:00 GMT
#5
On September 10 2009 08:48 YPang wrote:
haha dizzy? :D



I think it depends on the monitor.
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mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
September 10 2009 00:30 GMT
#6
drink. water. sleep. more

your not over exerting yourself from moving your fingers too much
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WhitE.ChapeL
Profile Joined September 2009
Korea (South)30 Posts
September 10 2009 00:32 GMT
#7
well
you should try starting low (around 110-120 apm) and slowly increase your apm so your fingers get warmed up and they get used to moving so fast
its kind of like lifting weights; you dont start benching like 240lbs right away, you start off low and gradually increase the weight.
as for the dizziness, if you have one of those old school monitors, try putting the cover thing that they have that helps reduce dizziness or you could try tylenol or something
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jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6639 Posts
September 10 2009 00:46 GMT
#8
No doesn't really happen to me, I guess sheer adrenaline and determination keeps me going, nothing distracts me, World War 3 could be starting outside and I wouldn't look away from the screen till I had either won or lost the game.
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ImNotBisu
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada142 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-10 01:07:15
September 10 2009 01:05 GMT
#9
This is just my personal experience as a piano player, my should's and should not's:

You should try to:

-Warm up. Don't jump into a game with 500apm spam, play at a comfortable pace and your apm will go up as more actions are required.

-Be relaxed. I find listening to pumping music does make you play faster, but only very temporarily. If you want to play for an extended period of time, keep a good posture, be relaxed, and keep very hydrated. Sleeping more helps too.

You should not:

-Curve your wrist on the keyboard/mouse. This happens sometimes when you tense up, and you WILL get Carpal Tunnel eventually.

-Strike the keys with muscle power, for reasons such as a desire to increase raw apm. Instead, just like playing piano, you should hit the keys rapidly without a need to tense up your forearm or shoulders. It should be a finger response, nothing more.

Edit:

After I realized how I was tensing up straining to increase apm artificially, I started to play while in a relaxed manner and my apm jumped from 190 to 250, from C+ to B-.
Adeeler
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom764 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-10 01:43:52
September 10 2009 01:21 GMT
#10
There are a couple of 'tricks'/good practices you can use to improve your finger/hand stamina.

Finger Independence:


Super Hard if your go through this series: greg irwin finger fitness on youtube:

Elbow horizontalish with the keyboard, high seated position not slouching to much.
Don't rest your arm on the edge of your table or anything like that either. This improves blood flow to your hands and you should last longer.

If you want to do some special exercise you can do forearm curls with a dumbbell and use the strong grips(squeezy things for improving your grip/finger strength)

Learn to touch type properly. Some ppl learn to touch type simply by experience but you might be benefit from learning to touch type and improving your wpm(words per minute) same principal your apm should benefit or stamina at the least with your hot-key hand it should.

I play with an ergonomic split keyboard which made me naturally learn to touch type properly but I play to switch to a standard keyboard as reaching more buttons will be easiar then going over the hump in the middle of the keyboard.

Also take breaks at least once an hour to let the blood flow get going nicely again.

Food wise you can always go for foods that thin the blood thus helping flow; of the top of my head onions is the only thing I can think of that does this naturally. And of course plenty of water etc.

Make sure you get enough protein in your diet to. Its no good doing all this stuff expecting your apm and stamina to increase but if you don't have enough protein in your diet your body can't fix you up & improve your muscles when you sleep.

Sleep properly too not on any arm.

Keep your hands a bit warm before playing. Do some finger exercises to do this it can help. Search the net for proper ones as you don't want to damage your hands/fingers by guessing how to exercise them.

Oh yeh, play some music while you play. Something fast with quick beats you'll naturally speed up due to this. Its a bit artifical but keep doing it and you'll naturally stay at a higher level.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
September 10 2009 01:37 GMT
#11
If you are getting dizzy then i think your refresh rate is either too high or too low on your monitor. Try turning it up to 100 or 75 for lcd.
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peidongyang
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada2084 Posts
September 10 2009 01:54 GMT
#12
After a nice 30 minute game, it's really, really, tiring, even though I only have 130apm.
It's mostly because you're exerting alot of mental energy in all that decision making.
the throws never bothered me anyway
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
September 10 2009 02:54 GMT
#13
I want to feel the tiredness. my apm is only 90-110 so i dont feel much unlessi play a game for 20563682367222287297279272692856 minutes. Unless its nessessary, Spamming buttons isnt worth the pain.
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Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
September 10 2009 02:59 GMT
#14
For me if a game goes on for 15+ minutes I start to sweat A LOT. I never really get tired though, my hands are so warmed up at that point I could keep going forever.

However, I've been using computers nonstop since I was like 8. I have pretty nimble fingers when it comes to the keyboard so that might play a role in it.

One thing I've noticed is that Starcarft is the ONLY game that makes me sweat. I can play CS, wc3, wow, TF2 or any other game I can think of and not sweat at all. SC is both a physical and mental workout just because of how in dept of a game it is.

Hopefully you can overcome it though, I can see why it would be frustrating!
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meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
September 10 2009 03:07 GMT
#15
Just play at your natural apm and try to move a little bit faster. Gradually it will improve. Don't try to think "Oh, I must get it above 200 apm at all times.." because you will just tire yourself out instead of learning the game.
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iLict
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bosnia-Herzegovina57 Posts
September 10 2009 03:40 GMT
#16
I find with new big slim monitors it takes me longer to select shit and it is just harder for gaming, and I get really "tired."
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KP_CollectoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States744 Posts
September 10 2009 03:50 GMT
#17
I don't ever feel like a tire when playing.
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kineSiS-
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Korea (South)1068 Posts
September 10 2009 03:53 GMT
#18
Korean-ness makes your fingers naturally stronger, and so does the fact that most koreans play instruments like Violin and Piano.
Dragonblood21
Profile Joined July 2009
United States139 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-10 03:58:50
September 10 2009 03:58 GMT
#19
I usually don't ever get tired, as far as my fingers go anyway, when playing SC. The only thing that really happens to me is sometimes I'll get very tense. The tenseness will effect my APM, and my precision in clicking and starts a "train wreck" where it just keeps getting worse once it starts. Once I feel myself feeling a little tense I normally take a breath and try to calm down. If something happens in the game where I loosen up, I'll notice a sudden burst in APM, precision, confidence, and even correct decision making.

I think my fingers are just used to being used at a high speed however, as I also play guitar and have been for about 2-3 years. A lot of the times I'll be practicing solos that require my hands to move at fast rates with a high amount of concentration, and Starcraft is not really different in that respect.
iLict
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bosnia-Herzegovina57 Posts
September 10 2009 04:00 GMT
#20
On September 10 2009 12:50 KP_CollectoR wrote:
I don't ever feel like a tire when playing.

?

That's funny cause I'm always rolling zergs
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