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BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
July 29 2008 08:26 GMT
#1
Right. So people rate blogs, and (at least some) people care. But some people like making ratings that don't actually reflect the qualify of the post, and that ruins it for everyone.

How about implementing a meta-moderation system? If you make a rating of 1 on a great post, and 10 other people rate it a 5, then your credibility rating drops. And vice versa. Also subject to abuse, but it will have to be more coordinated (and possibly more obvious). Search function yields a post by SonuvBob, saying that we don't have any such meta-moderation yet. But which also indicates it's already been given some thought.
Compilers are like boyfriends, you miss a period and they go crazy on you.
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-29 09:33:10
July 29 2008 09:09 GMT
#2
i agree! good system!

also, she wants you bdares*!!

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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
July 29 2008 09:16 GMT
#3
bdares? O_O

and yea I baiscally concur.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-29 12:30:48
July 29 2008 12:30 GMT
#4
my blog got owned by someone
/cry
plz implement to save my rating! (was like 4.49 now 4.00 T_T)
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indecision
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Germany818 Posts
July 29 2008 13:45 GMT
#5
could also do a system that weighs your votes against each other. So if you always vote 1, you won't count. If your only votes are 1 and 2, 2 will count as 5 and so on.
BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-29 14:11:45
July 29 2008 14:10 GMT
#6
As should be apparent to any slashdot readers, I'm pretty blatantly taking their idea of metamoderation. Except that everyone has unlimited mod points.
Compilers are like boyfriends, you miss a period and they go crazy on you.
RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9947 Posts
July 29 2008 14:54 GMT
#7
yeah there are people that just vote 1/5 on everything, its pretty annoying
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Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
July 29 2008 15:05 GMT
#8
On July 29 2008 23:54 RaGe wrote:
yeah there are people that just vote 1/5 on everything, its pretty annoying

There are people who vote 5/5 on everything though.
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jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
July 29 2008 15:25 GMT
#9
Bad idea imo, ratings should reflect the average vote. Just because someone votes odd or stupid it doesn't mean that vote should be worth less.

And even if there's people always voting 1, the same applies to every blog, and better blogs generally get a higher ratings.
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mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
July 29 2008 16:08 GMT
#10
Can we just rid the rating system and have a featured blog or even the section from PX?
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overpool
Profile Joined April 2008
United States191 Posts
July 29 2008 18:18 GMT
#11
On July 29 2008 22:45 indecision wrote:
could also do a system that weighs your votes against each other. So if you always vote 1, you won't count. If your only votes are 1 and 2, 2 will count as 5 and so on.

I think this is a great idea. It is far simpler than implementing karma + m2, and allows a difference of opinion while negating the effect of the 1/5 trolls.
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MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
July 29 2008 19:03 GMT
#12
Or if you want to be rally fancy you can correlate the votes with each other and present the user an estimate of what he would vote
LiquipediaOne eye to kill. Two eyes to live.
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21549 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-29 21:08:23
July 29 2008 21:06 GMT
#13
On July 29 2008 22:45 indecision wrote:
could also do a system that weighs your votes against each other. So if you always vote 1, you won't count. If your only votes are 1 and 2, 2 will count as 5 and so on.

Here's what I wrote in the other thread:

On February 03 2008 04:10 SonuvBob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2008 00:32 Aepplet wrote:
i think animenewsnetwork uses some system to weigh less for people who only rate super high and super low, not sure how it works though...

Looks like they won't divulge their method (so people can't figure out how to abuse it).

There's basically three voting patterns that skew the results:

1. People who are essentially "too nice" - always voting high (no 1's or 2's). Not a serious problem, but they raise the ratings of all the blogs they vote on, essentially lowering the blogs they don't read or vote on. Same with people who always vote low.

I think at least at some point IMDB took this into account, normalizing each user's votes.

2. People who always vote 5 for things they like and 1 for things they hate, figuring their vote will carry more weight.

This is easily detectable - if the standard deviation is close to 0 (always one particular number) or [update: avg(abs(3-rating)) is] 2 (all 1's/5's) for a user with more than a handful of votes, we can give their votes less weight.

3. Malicious users. Same as #2, except they tend to vote down all of a user's posts.

These are easy to detect, but I'm not sure what to do with them. I guess we could have a voting ban or something.

I just made a quick voting ban system for the users in group 3. 12 users added so far, and the ratings already look a lot more accurate.

Poor d4d dropped like 8 spots because he's the only one who wasn't mass 1'd by anyone. :p
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
August 22 2008 08:26 GMT
#14
why oh why do people insist on mass 1'ing!!
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
August 22 2008 09:22 GMT
#15
or just remove the ratings altogether. if a blog is good, people will post in it.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
August 22 2008 09:40 GMT
#16
Or just remove blogs altogether.
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HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
August 22 2008 16:09 GMT
#17
or you could have like a poll tally...
dunno if this makes sense but, alright for example plexa makes an awesome 5/5 deserving post
and votes are as followed..
5: 200
4:10
3:10
2:10
1:50

it automatically accepts the 5, because that was the most popular one,
so basically what im suggesting is no averaging for individual blogs
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
August 23 2008 10:34 GMT
#18
yea well i mean i don't expect to get mass 5'd but you know theres something fishy when you drop from 4.6~ to 4.56 and hover there for while then randomly one day you drop another 0.2 even though no blog was posted
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
August 23 2008 10:49 GMT
#19
what
only 5's are good enough for plexa
i think it was cause of the boxer blog lol
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-23 13:16:19
August 23 2008 13:14 GMT
#20
boxer/jaedong blogs weren't too bad - took a dive from 4.64 to 4.56 then a bizarre .02 drop. i only have one 5 blog though hahaha

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