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On July 26 2013 15:27 cDgCorazon wrote:
Yeah so apparently I'm an alignment cop. And TG returned green. I wonder what the chances are of having 2 sane cops and a vig... On July 24 2013 06:22 cDgCorazon wrote:
I'm pretty sure I'm sane. I checked myself to check for sanity and it said I came back a "detective" so I'm guessing I must be sane. ?????
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
Read the thread ----> post
A short lesson in mafia by marvellosity
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Yeah IDK what to think about this. Why would a scum cora give different results for his checks? I can't see any scum motivation behind this if it was a lie.
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On July 26 2013 21:46 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Yeah IDK what to think about this. Why would a scum cora give different results for his checks? I can't see any scum motivation behind this if it was a lie.
The main (only?) scum motivation is if it was an enormous fuck up. Claimed rolecop -> isn't rolecop -> has to change story because he can't tell anyone else's role.
That's kinda stretching the boundaries of believability I guess.
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Sanya12364 Posts
@Marv&VE
You'll need to help me on whether or not these mistakes are possible with a town Tofu as well.
Not only do we see FirmTofu not get a committed attack from TAA, we see FirmTofu distract attention and run interference for TAA. The best example comes during TAA's lynching. Missing the scum claim post is possible as matter of timing, however, Tofu basically dragged the conversation sideways against getmoript for a while and then asked getmoript to read TAA for scum.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420356¤tpage=58#1147
Left out of his post filtering is the red - that he could not have possibly omitted because of timing.
On July 24 2013 06:16 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Its funny 5touch is defending TG again. I have a scum read on neither but gotta keep an eye on things like that.
And that post combined with the following one as discussed previously is very scummy. I really don't like a town missing this read. I don't know if everyone else missed it, but for everyone else the DT check claim response was enough:
On July 24 2013 06:21 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
claiming detective instead of making a case is cheating
And I can give them the benefit of the doubt that they didn't look any further.
In the end, FirmTofu is the 6th person to vote for TAA when it is all but certain that TAA will be lynched.
In addition to the Day 2 defense that failed, FirmTofu also excluded or distanced TAA from any of the Day 1 no-lynch pressure.
In the run up to the Day 1 Lynch, only Rayne announced that he would be gone for the deadline and without Zeph (Corazon), there were TAA, jrkirby, and DocH(Onegu) outstanding.
FirmTofu calls out jrkirby:
On July 22 2013 14:32 FirmTofu wrote:
jrkirby are you still out there? You need to be voting TG right now.
Then pressures DocH (Onegu)
On July 22 2013 14:44 FirmTofu wrote:
DrH, vote TG NOW.
And when the vote fails - announces the fake scum team:
On July 22 2013 14:59 FirmTofu wrote:
Looks like I found the whole scumteam guys.
It's obviously DrH, TG, and jrkirby.
and then hides TAA in the following one:
On July 22 2013 15:17 FirmTofu wrote:
I agree that DrH is scum for denying the lynch.
First things first: lynch TanGeng. Push reads. Probably still lynch DrH. Push Reads. Decide whether Oats/jrkirby/TAA/someone else is the last mafia.
The lynch for information with distance between TAA and the others again.
On July 23 2013 08:35 FirmTofu wrote:
The whole bit where people attack Oats for not giving a shit is a waste of time. Whether you attack him or not, he isn't going to start suddenly giving a shit.
Vigi him if you have to. Stop wasting time talking to him.
For the lynch tomorrow, TG is the only viable choice. He's been scummy all game long and needs to be exterminated. His death would also provide us invaluable information about jrk and DrH, maybe even Oats.
As for where discussion should go..., I think we should be talking about people like TAA and JJD, maybe rayn as well. There are people who are currently sitting in the null-scum territory for me and are likely to scumslip when pressured. I'm going to go through their filters and see if I can find some dirt on them.
I believe this is enough to show that there is a level of cooperation between TAA and FirmTofu and some willful ignoring of the scummy scum.
There's some other early game reads that the two hydras had. Those reads and aside from the bad defense of TAA, FirmTofu doing nothing except tunnel jrkirby and I and occasionally glance over Corazon should be a solid case for scum Tofu.
@FiveTouch, JJD, Onegu, jrkirby, Corazon
Vote? or Argue?
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
I've a lot to discuss with VE, TanGeng. I'm less confident in my Firm->dumb->town read than I was beforehand. For reasons I'm not entirely sure of my reads on like 4 different players have fluctuated between town and scum in the last 24 hours.
JJD/Cora/Firm have all done immensely confusing things, you've still got Day 1 hanging over you, and austin feels more static than I'd like. Ick. Also the shot confirms Onegu as vigilante, not as town.
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On July 26 2013 21:49 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 21:46 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Yeah IDK what to think about this. Why would a scum cora give different results for his checks? I can't see any scum motivation behind this if it was a lie. The main (only?) scum motivation is if it was an enormous fuck up. Claimed rolecop -> isn't rolecop -> has to change story because he can't tell anyone else's role. That's kinda stretching the boundaries of believability I guess. But his check was on TG who's already claimed VT. Unless they're worried about future checks I guess. But that wouldn't really make sense either since as rolecop we're all gonna be suspicious anyway just because he'd be alive.
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On July 26 2013 22:09 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 21:49 FiveTouch wrote:On July 26 2013 21:46 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Yeah IDK what to think about this. Why would a scum cora give different results for his checks? I can't see any scum motivation behind this if it was a lie. The main (only?) scum motivation is if it was an enormous fuck up. Claimed rolecop -> isn't rolecop -> has to change story because he can't tell anyone else's role. That's kinda stretching the boundaries of believability I guess. But his check was on TG who's already claimed VT. Unless they're worried about future checks I guess. But that wouldn't really make sense either since as rolecop we're all gonna be suspicious anyway just because he'd be alive.
This is a good point, and lends credibility to him being town I guess. He really needs to find out the proper results of his Day 1 check though.
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Sanya12364 Posts
Rolecop is probably useless at this point. I'm betting we'd be up against VS and GF, neither of which give any information to a pure Rolecop. The only reason to kill in that situation is to kill a confirmed townie, which he isn't. Getmoript was like a 95% kill target last night.
I don't know if Corazon's even more powerful version of Getmoript and will return role if applicable and alignment if not. It's very strange. Meh.
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Sanya12364 Posts
Oh yeah, Corazon also confirmed me. Don't know what to make of it yet. Didn't even think about that.
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Marshall Islands1474 Posts
Sanities mean nothing is confirmed, unfortunately
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On July 26 2013 22:09 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 21:49 FiveTouch wrote:On July 26 2013 21:46 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Yeah IDK what to think about this. Why would a scum cora give different results for his checks? I can't see any scum motivation behind this if it was a lie. The main (only?) scum motivation is if it was an enormous fuck up. Claimed rolecop -> isn't rolecop -> has to change story because he can't tell anyone else's role. That's kinda stretching the boundaries of believability I guess. But his check was on TG who's already claimed VT. Unless they're worried about future checks I guess. But that wouldn't really make sense either since as rolecop we're all gonna be suspicious anyway just because he'd be alive.
EBWOP *as alignment cop
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Sanya12364 Posts
Ok here goes.
Scum will know both cop status and sanity.
I'll know what to think about his sanity. (I don't know if he is really a cop.)
The rest of town won't know. (sanity or cop status)
You also know that I (as either town or scum) will say that I think he is sane.
I haven't put his cop claim to serious question at all.
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Sanya12364 Posts
Was going to run through the flip scenarios for both Corazon and I but those role PMs don't seem to give enough information.
On July 26 2013 15:01 phagga wrote:getmoript the Detective has been killed!+ Show Spoiler +Welcome, getmoript to A Bluelightz Mafia, where you hopefully will save Blueville from destruction at the hands of the Redvillians. You, as a Detective, have special equipment to discover the dubious loyalty of other citizens. Beware, your equipment may be defective and give you fake results!
Welcome, Oatsmaster to A Bluelightz Mafia, where you will hopefully save Blueville from destruction. You, as an ordinary citizen of Blueville can help save Blueville from the wrath of evil Redvillians.
Look at the defective/fake results. Is it always defective or just some of the time?
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On July 26 2013 22:40 TanGeng wrote:Was going to run through the flip scenarios for both Corazon and I but those role PMs don't seem to give enough information. Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 15:01 phagga wrote:getmoript the Detective has been killed!+ Show Spoiler +Welcome, getmoript to A Bluelightz Mafia, where you hopefully will save Blueville from destruction at the hands of the Redvillians. You, as a Detective, have special equipment to discover the dubious loyalty of other citizens. Beware, your equipment may be defective and give you fake results!
Welcome, Oatsmaster to A Bluelightz Mafia, where you will hopefully save Blueville from destruction. You, as an ordinary citizen of Blueville can help save Blueville from the wrath of evil Redvillians.
Look at the defective/fake results. Is it always defective or just some of the time?
It's almost certainly just a fancy way of saying "you are not guaranteed to be sane".
So it'll be sane/insane, maybe naive/paranoid as well.
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Sanya12364 Posts
So Corazon will know that he's sane then!
So his flip will give town information?
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Sanya12364 Posts
Damn, I could still be GF. 
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On July 26 2013 22:50 TanGeng wrote:Damn, I could still be GF.
You could be GF, we don't know whether his result on himself returned red or green, if it returned green (and he's town) he could still be naive rather than sane.
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Sanya12364 Posts
I think it's back to forget the blues and trust in your reads.
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@jrkirby
I have this part of a post from you:
On July 26 2013 02:59 jrkirby wrote:
Oatsmaster: He kinda picked up his play a bit day 2, I don't have a solid scumread on him anymore. Honestly, he might make a decent lynch in 2 days though (or a vig shot? Too bad that's super unlikely).
Corazon: Him being scum really depends on whether he can give good info to the town. I still don't know why he just announced his role without any info at all.
So, I can't give a good recommendation for who to shoot between me and TG, because I think we're both town. I might slightly prefer TG getting shot, but that's only because I think I'll play better from here on out, I KNOW I'm town, and only think that he's town, and I like being alive.
On the off chance that you shoot firmtofu and he's scum, I am eternally grateful.
And these two:
On July 26 2013 12:35 jrkirby wrote:
I'd rather onegu shoot me than not at all. I seriously think it's better for town that way.
I need reasons why you think your death would benefit town.
On July 26 2013 13:14 jrkirby wrote:
Would be really nice if onegu shot oats and it was scum.
What made you change your mind for an immediate shot? And on oats?
I also said the same thing about getting vigged.
On July 26 2013 12:50 TanGeng wrote:
I'm with jrkirby. Just shoot me.... now.
Between you and me, did you still think that I would have been the better target?
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