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BrownBear
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Bill Murray
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Misder
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On August 13 2010 05:38 SouthRawrea wrote: Post 2 -> We're all guilty of this at one time or another but it really doesn't help unless you're credible. In fact I'm guilty of this in this thread so I'll drop my point about this post in particular. Post 4 -> Of course I read his posts, but pointing out someone that had slightly less than you doesn't help at all nor does it prove a single thing. It merely pushes the suspicion on to someone else. Post 5 -> I believe you have real life problems. That has nothing to do with post 5. Why're y Post 6 -> Well you can still give us your analysis of Youngminii by copypasting the stuff you sent in the Sent part of your inbox. Post 8 -> You were giving reasons for why you though larjarse was mafia. Anything you quoted obviously had something to do with his scumminess. Sorry i though last game was your first game. I was pointing this out to say that at least he has an excuse for his fault while you who are more experienced do not. Post 9 -> Just pointing out that it had no content really. Post 10 -> Yes I agree most of it was defense but again you were pushing suspicion off to Larjarse. Also, kinda funny because one of the reasons I started this was to get you to post more haha. Bumatlarge said that he never was in contact with you just a moment ago  . My biggest beef with you I guess is that you've been redirecting suspicion to other people for reasons that apply to you as well. I'm not as sure that you're mafia now but you're still pretteh scummy to me as well as claiming you have content in the few posts that you have when you really don't.Post 2: Ok. Post 4: First of all, the point of the post was to show that roffles has been acting untown like. Someone could have pointed me out too and voted for me to pressure me. It wasn't an argument not to vote to lynch me. I didn't say, "Don't vote for me, there are other people that are just like me." This post also stated why I voted for him. Post 5: You didn't finish this, so if you could finish it, that would be great. Post 6: I did give my analysis on youngminii On August 13 2010 03:16 Misder wrote: + Show Spoiler + ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Ok, the other game that youngminii was in was the Godfather Mafia. I don't actually know how this system goes, but I can still do analysis on this. This was the mafia game that got youngminii a reputation of doing really well. He was townie this game the entire time. In that game, he posted about ~10% of the posts in that thread. This was a 20 person game, so on average, one should post ~5%. Granted, he was one of the last people alive in that game, but I will still say that he still 'spammed'. Actually, while I was reading his posts, it actually seemed like he mostly posted good plans/analysis instead of actual spam, or at least he 's balancing it out. He goes through plans, and figure out holes in them so that the town can make a better one. A lot of his posts are three sentences or lower, but most of these posts aren't really spam. His longer posts are always really good, either a plan or analysis. When he talks to others, he is mostly like, "but you're wrong". Its not really angry, more like, you're stupid. He's very proactive in this game, like a town leader. Even though it was his first game, he is talking to everyone, and if I didn' know better, I would think that he was a veteran at the game. The game that you and I were in the same game as him, it seemed much more spam, but there were still some good posts in there. He did cause a lot of problems in PM land, and he could have done much better. When he was under attack, he was angrier. I'm not sure if you read the thread after you died or not. As for actual improvement, he claims that he is trying to spam less. However, it seems very very out of his style. idk. If he wasw trying to improve, I still think that he would write good posts like he did in his first game, but right now, he isn't doing that. It seems like he is posting less, but its like all spam and defending himself. He is also getting angry. Post 8: I quoted all of his posts. I did not pick out quotes based on scumminess. That's ok. I didn't understand your argument anyways. Post 9: Ok. Post 10: I'm not pushing anything. Unlike some people (not refering specifically to you), I actually try to use only one post to answer everything. The first line was because I always state the reason why I vote for people. Then the rest was defending against Pyrr. The last sentence was also part of the reason why I voted for larjarse instead of youngminii, mostly directed to Foolishness, because he really wants me to vote youngminii. Alright, part of my defense is that there are more scummier people in town. I admit that I try to point out these people. I think anyone would do that. I do it because I feel that I help the town when I point out scummy people, instead of all defense, that doesn't help the town at all. I feel that I post enough substance so that its not spam. When I post, I give the town what I think about the game. I don't post unless I think it is necessary to help the town. I guess you could say I don't have a lot of substance, but I think that every post I put has some content in there. | ||
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Misder
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@Misder, what are your thoughts on SouthRawrEa's alignment?[/QUOTE] I think that he is town. I'm not sure about the the blue role or the green though. I don't think he would be attacking someone this hard if he was mafia, unless I was some big name, sorta like Pyrr against DTA in the last mafia game. I think that he just thinks I'm part of the mafia, which I'm fine with. Is there a reason for this? On August 13 2010 07:08 Bill Murray wrote: misderection I would be glad to defend myself, if you actually have a reason. Personally, I think this makes you more scummy as you are just randomly saying people are scum without any reason. | ||
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KF91
Canada221 Posts
On August 13 2010 07:49 Misder wrote: QUOTE]On August 13 2010 06:12 Bill Murray wrote: @Misder, what are your thoughts on SouthRawrEa's alignment? I think that he is town. I'm not sure about the the blue role or the green though. I don't think he would be attacking someone this hard if he was mafia, unless I was some big name, sorta like Pyrr against DTA in the last mafia game. I think that he just thinks I'm part of the mafia, which I'm fine with. Is there a reason for this? On August 13 2010 07:08 Bill Murray wrote: misderection I would be glad to defend myself, if you actually have a reason. Personally, I think this makes you more scummy as you are just randomly saying people are scum without any reason.[/QUOTE] BM does this all the time. It should be taken lightly most of the time. | ||
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Bill Murray
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Misder
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+ Show Spoiler + Can you vote youngminii? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Who else do you think is in the mafia? I will try to do analysis to the people on the list. Probably one that is newer cause you know the older ones much better. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: VayeshMoru is BloodyCobbler, he accidentally gave it away. If you haven't done so, please vote for youngminii, we need to keep the pressure up to find out for sure what alignment he is. The earlier we do it the better, since if he defends himself well (which he hasn't so far) we'll have enough time to switch to somebody else. I could see Roffles being a ninja, but not DTA. I think DTA is just a townie this game, but I haven't had time to focus on any of these two players so this is just inital thoughts. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Ok, the other game that youngminii was in was the Godfather Mafia. I don't actually know how this system goes, but I can still do analysis on this. This was the mafia game that got youngminii a reputation of doing really well. He was townie this game the entire time. In that game, he posted about ~10% of the posts in that thread. This was a 20 person game, so on average, one should post ~5%. Granted, he was one of the last people alive in that game, but I will still say that he still 'spammed'. Actually, while I was reading his posts, it actually seemed like he mostly posted good plans/analysis instead of actual spam, or at least he 's balancing it out. He goes through plans, and figure out holes in them so that the town can make a better one. A lot of his posts are three sentences or lower, but most of these posts aren't really spam. His longer posts are always really good, either a plan or analysis. When he talks to others, he is mostly like, "but you're wrong". Its not really angry, more like, you're stupid. He's very proactive in this game, like a town leader. Even though it was his first game, he is talking to everyone, and if I didn' know better, I would think that he was a veteran at the game. The game that you and I were in the same game as him, it seemed much more spam, but there were still some good posts in there. He did cause a lot of problems in PM land, and he could have done much better. When he was under attack, he was angrier. I'm not sure if you read the thread after you died or not. As for actual improvement, he claims that he is trying to spam less. However, it seems very very out of his style. idk. If he wasw trying to improve, I still think that he would write good posts like he did in his first game, but right now, he isn't doing that. It seems like he is posting less, but its like all spam and defending himself. He is also getting angry. On different people, does it seem to you that roffles and DTA are ninjas? And what do you think of VayeshMoru? Do you think he is a smurf, and if so, of who? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Yeah, I still say do the analysis anyways. It's night time now but don't take too long. This is also his 3rd game according to your list. I only played in one with him (I died first night) so I have no idea what he did in the other game. We must be careful to account for actual improvement. Yes, he did spam a lot when he was a townie. He got criticized harshly for it. I'd expect him to tone it down a little bit as he'd figure too much is too much at some point. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I'm sorry. I didn't have time to do what you requested. I will probably be able to do it tomorrow during the night in the game where I won't be doing much anyways. My analysis without going actually looking for stuff: During the last mafia game in which I was with youngminii in, I was always thinking of lynching him if it wasn't for being a confirmed townie. I think this game he's a bit more passive, but he did spam a lot in the beginning of the day. I think that he's afraid to make a mistake and get lynched. I'm inclined to say that he is mafia or a blue role just because he is more cautious, but you never know. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Okay. I think this is love1another's second game cause I seem to remember seeing his name before. It's only the first day, should frankly you don't have a lot to of by in terms of trusting me. But right now I'm providing you a way to analyze people based on their past games. If I was mafia I'm pretty much helping you find my allies. youngminii looks the most interesting right now. What you can do is go look at his past 2 games and read his posts, then compare to what he's doing this game. I've played one game with him so I sort of know a bit about it but that's it. Look at what his role was each game and compare to this one. Things you might want to consider are: frequency of posting, length of posts (lengthy posts compared to one-liners), interaction with other players (does he yell at others or is he passive?). I know he kinda has a big ego, so look to make sure that's consistent through all his games. I won't be able to catch up on the thread until close to day end unfortunately. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: New VayeshMoru love1another LSB larjarse 2nd mafia game Pandain SouthRawrea 3rd mafia game Divinek youngminii rastaban Misder Artanis[xp], bumatlarge, Jayme, Hesmyrr all have more than 3 games I think this is right. Question: why should I trust you? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: yeah yeah whatever, we got some work to do. Right now I'm trying to draw a preliminary mafia list. Kinda hard cause nobody's sticking out this game (compared to last game I had 2 mafia members pegged relatively easily, of course I was totally wrong about 2 others I thought for sure as well). Here's what you can do to help the both of us right now. Get a list together of everyone in the game who has never played before. Then get a list of people who this is their second or third game. I ask you this because there are multiple people here I am not very familiar with, including yourself. Getting their records straight would be beneficial. To start, the people I know well (so you don't have to check up on them) are: Chezinu, BM, Pyrry, DTA, Xelin, Amberlight, chaoser, brownbear, KF91, infundibulum, iaaan, OPZ, tree hugger, roffles. Anyone not on that list should have played a total of less than 3 games. Knowing which games they've played in is good because then we can compare their behavior to deduce what role they might be. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Hey! My first PM ever besides role PMs! Youngminii and Pandain are always spamming in the previous game. They both acted pretty scummy last game, but both turned out town. I don't think that Divinek spammed last game in the beginning tho. But Divinek hates me probably because of the way I played last game, which I don't blame. I always play like that though... That leads to another question. Can you help me improve my play? I feel like I act a bit on the scummy side, even though I am town. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Yo, we gotta get to talking eventually so better sooner than later. What do you think of the youngminii divinek Pandain trio? They have all been incredibly active and have provided enough spam to feed a family of four for a month. 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SouthRawrea
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Bumatlarge has stated that as well. Very revealing  . To me I get a better vibe from you even knowing that this could be a mafia ploy with the PMs early on from either side or both. | ||
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youngminii
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Is this game slowly dying or is everything happening in PM land? I have a small fos on foolishness but that's about it, and since no one's listening to either one of us it won't really help. | ||
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On August 13 2010 11:55 youngminii wrote: So uhh.. Is this game slowly dying or is everything happening in PM land? I have a small fos on foolishness but that's about it, and since no one's listening to either one of us it won't really help. Perhaps we can agree to disagree about each other for now and focus our attention elsewhere? It seems to be apparent that nobody cares about us anymore. | ||
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On August 13 2010 11:59 Foolishness wrote: Perhaps we can agree to disagree about each other for now and focus our attention elsewhere? It seems to be apparent that nobody cares about us anymore. I find this post scummy to say the least but sure why not. My vote's on you until there's someone better to lynch. | ||
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Misder
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On August 13 2010 10:13 SouthRawrea wrote: Post 4: Well I'm pressuring you now I guess haha. Bumatlarge has stated that as well. Very revealing . To me I get a better vibe from you even knowing that this could be a mafia ploy with the PMs early on from either side or both.lol. Isn't that what BC did with rastaban? In the last mafia game? And this thread died off... I guess no more spamming from people really silences people. And I guess everything is in PM land. | ||
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bumatlarge
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Also, did you get that PM Misder? | ||
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rastaban
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rastaban
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+ Show Spoiler + and hopefully convince Xelin and co. to not lynch someone last minute at random instead. Here I present my case against none other than Bumatlarge + Show Spoiler + Post from last game day 1: On July 18 2010 12:47 bumatlarge wrote: One could argue about the likeliness of certain outcomes, so I think using an RNG would be alot better  Post from this game day 1 On August 06 2010 12:24 bumatlarge wrote: RNG is pure evil, agreed. Yeah lynch divinek! But I guess in his defense, he posts like that normally. Look at last game, it may seem like hes trying to create a persona as town, but I think you should judge him based the direction of his posts in general. He just comes off that way because he is a fa+ Show Spoiler + bulous opinion maker <3 But by all means, lets lynch him first if no inactives rear their ugly and obvious head. So when he was town he claims RNG is "alot better" This game he says "RNG is pure evil" Am I reading this wrong? I wanted to review more of his posts but I think this alone might be enough to lynch on. It doesn’t matter at this point if RNG is better or not, that isn't the point. When he is town he believes it is "alot better" and now one game later he says it is evil, that isn't slowly changing your mind that is a major flip! Since I reviewed all his posts last games I have a pretty good read on his town play, I wanted go through all his posts this game and see if there are more discrepancies. Lie 1 + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2010 10:01 bumatlarge wrote: I think BM defending can seem scummy in a certain light, but honestly I dont think he is scum from what Ive seen. His posts are fluffy, but I think he would be a bit more careful if he was red. Ill try to gather some things on him if im alive after the night. Hopefully im on the lesser end of the KP spectrum Never actually followed through, very typical scum play. (see last game where I claim I will switch my joke vote on citizen but then don’t since everyone up for lynch was town I wanted to leave my vote spread out. And this makes lie 2 + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2010 11:47 bumatlarge wrote: Oh wow Pyrr, I got the same exact PM from LSB, that PM WHORE! Also, LSB and I got talking before he died, and I guess since night is over and we hopefully have some blues communicating, I can safely post this. I think we may have found real reason LSB died. Sure he pushed for the plan but he wasn’t even part of it, and killing him would only legitimize it. But here we have a PM that says tried to implicate Divinek (a known townie now) and others as scum. The mafia knew who wasn’t scum so this is great for them to be able to post spreading suspicion around. + Show Spoiler + On August 10 2010 01:47 tree.hugger wrote: The difference between your play this game, and your play last game is really really suspicious. There's a massive FoS on you, and you're acting like a child, throwing suspicion around and trying to get back at the people who accused you. Plus, I'll use the same argument I used last time, if we lynch you, it confirms a lot of people. I guess you could say the same thing about BM, but I'm pretty sure BM is mafia, while you've looked nothing but suspicious from the first minute of the game. On August 10 2010 01:47 bumatlarge wrote: The fact that you play angry, jump to conclusions and generally are very unhelpful doesnt help either. @KF: BB can still be vanilla, as I think someone stated that people are told if they are waxed no matter their role. Also, can mafia refuse to RB? On August 10 2010 01:56 bumatlarge wrote: Dont throw the 'confirm' word around treehugger, you cant really confirm anyone without facts. And facts mean dead people and blue roles. Use 'towny likelyhood' and a 1-10 chart 5 being dead even uncertainty. For instance young is a 3 from what I can tell, and chez is a -10. So scummy its practically town lol... <3 chez On August 10 2010 02:04 tree.hugger wrote: If we waited for people to be 100% confirmed every game, we'd never get anything done. On August 10 2010 03:09 bumatlarge wrote: Just saying dont generalize everyoen who has disagreed with young as 'confirmed' if he is mafia. I mean everyone seems to be butting heads, I wouldnt put it past scum to do the same thing, especially with someone like young. Artanis, this is the only plausible plan for scum to put foolish as a reg mafia is if when a watcher and DT check, watcher would assume the DT is framer or foolish is red. As watcher I would push foolish, if not claim, because then watcher can get a confirmed DT, or confirmed framer. The watcher would then get priority med protection while foolish gets lynched OR framer still frames foolish even when hes scum, and he would get himself killed, while the framer would have to fake a active blue role the rest of the game. Both the framer and DT would be unknown to each other andif framer doesnt claim DT he would be lynched before the DT. If he does claim DT, watcher can confuse either by asking them to check each other or a random person. The framer would have to guess DT, while the DT checks normally regardless of who it is. Likelihood of 3 DTs is very small, so watcher would point at the liar, netting 2 scum and keeping the DT safe. I see no reason for foolish to not choose GF, as he only sacrifices himself for towny confusion if he isnt lynched immediately. If watcher, DT and framer all target foolish, then previous situation, assuming framer overrides GF.Other blues would have to not act, and multiple watchers or DTs would not hinder the situation. I think... it might be better to try with BB, because its assumed GF picks veteran? if foolish is a vet or GF, then the probability of BB being a more unique role without being GF increases the likelihood of his innocence. The more people who put themselves forward in situations that would require the GF role get away with, the better the chances that one of them are legitimate. Is this logic sound? My head hurts someone else think for me. Here we have a series of posts between tree.hugger and bumatlarge. Both are pushing for the YM lynch and saying BM is probably legit. Remember we still haven’t gotten that promised post analysis on why he is legit from bumatlarge. The interesting thing is the way he quickly calls out the line about being confirmed. When I was mafia last game we would specificly look for things like that in each other’s posts to call them on to create a fake sense of conflict. We would be in IRC saying things like, that is a good post but I will call you on such and such so make sure you are ready to defend it. + Show Spoiler + On August 12 2010 23:27 bumatlarge wrote: I cant really put my finger on the BM and Foolishness arguement, but I guess Im in no place to talk since i "didnt roleclaim" Im going to put my vote on xelin until he rectifies this. On August 13 2010 01:02 Hesmyrr wrote: Why? The framer is dead and no blue roles were sniped. On August 13 2010 01:09 bumatlarge wrote: Because he is screwing me over. I dont want to be default lynch because he doesnt remember who roleclaimed. Ill switch my vote to whoever he wants as soon as he fixes it. His is trying to get Xelin a confirmed townie lynched, and his reasoning is because he thinks his claim wasn’t handled right? Why not try and find scum instead. SUMMARY So this game we have 2 lies, missing content, all his big posts are just PM lists. Now let me mention for a moment what isn’t here. Content and Humor. The last game I played I was scum and tasked with analyzing bumatlarge (reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133561¤tpage=131#2613). He was so pro-town that I couldn’t frame him even though I wanted to. In the end the closest I could get was to say he was 12% scum. Anything more and I felt it was too risky. This game it isn’t hard to notice the difference. How did someone go from such strong town play to now being caught in lies and heavy suspicion? As I went through his posts this game, they lacked a lot of his characteristic humor that he used last game. This seems like a minor thing, but they all point to a change in his playing method. Why, I believe it is because he is mafia this time around. It is for these reasons that I will be voting for Bumatlarge. | ||
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bumatlarge
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Legitemately forgot about the BM analysis, other things came up. I can still make that analysis if you want when I get home. LSB thought he was going to die before he sent me that PM, I didnt have to post it. Quote where I say BM is probably legit. And both BC and BB said xelin didnt have me on the roleclaim list. Since I am "on a very short list" Id rather not get town a mislynch based on misinformation. Im not trying to get xelin lynched, Im simply stating that there was a small error in his roleclaim list. You were "charged" with analizing me last game? Did the town tell you too or did mafia? Its nice to hear that I was very pro-town last game, and Im sorry that in comparison Im not benefitting the town as much  Ill try better though. | ||
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