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On October 06 2013 03:27 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 03:24 Dirkzor wrote:
I agree with Risen that Oats is doing some scummy things (and Risen caught where I was going... Clarity clearly didn't). His nightplay is so weird I'm starting to think he is the last scum just trolling around. I mean "What if BH isn't doc?"!? What the...
Also Oats just parroted the thread feeling about who was scum. First the 3 not on rayn lynch. Then Sloosh maybe. Then Sloosh. Risen is town. Then Sloosh and Risen is scum (with sloosh ahead), Then Marv is scum and he want to lynch him over sloosh because "hur hur". Day 2 he vote sloosh.
He have just been trying to push in any which way the thread was going. I would say that in... Golden Sun I think? I was casually following the game towards the end. rayn had figured out the game and presented the solution to town. And it appeared to me that Oats was just totally trolling rayn and I thought that because of this Oats had to be mafia, and I was sure enough about it that I asked Oats on irc to confirm. Except he was town.
All the meta defenses.
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it's why i'm a good player Risen
i have a more nuanced approach to the game than you do.
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I'm not declaring Oats certainly town because of it, but
a) slOosh is still mafia ( i hope :d )
b) it's something to weigh up and consider when thinking about oats.
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On October 06 2013 03:28 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 03:02 Clarity_nl wrote:On October 06 2013 02:53 Risen wrote:On October 06 2013 02:45 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm actually with Oats on this one. Going through your filter I have a hard time finding any comments from you about the guy who was the main lynch candidate all day. On October 05 2013 01:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
You've said your piece? No.
If you think someone is scum you keep trying to convince people until they're convinced, you change your mind, or you die. You should be a meme. Contradictory Guy Clarity There is no contradiction here. On October 06 2013 02:54 Risen wrote:
EBWOP: And you'd be hard pressed to find me talking about much of anyone Clarity. Singling it out on Sloosh is scummy as fuck. Why are you misrepresenting me? That's actually a fair point. Yeah you have been kinda useless. Isn't that one of the criteria for you calling oats scum? I can't tell if this is a joke or something just meant to piss me off. You've been on me all game since I wrote my case on you. You just threw my case on rayn away in spite of it being super solid in some places. I'm sorry it was too long, I'm sorry I had a little confirmation bias, but I was right. So don't put me on the same level as Oats. I DO things, and I'm not useless
So why did you just tell me "And you'd be hard pressed to find me talking about much of anyone Clarity"
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I mostly disregard meta for several reason:
1) People can be aware of there meta and play accordingly.
2) Outside factors can affect meta
3) I don't know anyone's meta :D
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I didn't mean nobody, I meant people beyond the people I talk about. Pointing out Sloosh and not pointing out that I haven't talked much about BH or just about anybody I don't have a case on is scummy as shit and just paints me in a bad light misleadingly and I like how you completely dodge that I have done things as opposed to Oats. No, you were wrong, and you won't admit you were wrong
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On October 06 2013 03:35 Risen wrote:
I didn't mean nobody, I meant people beyond the people I talk about. Pointing out Sloosh and not pointing out that I haven't talked much about BH or just about anybody I don't have a case on is scummy as shit and just paints me in a bad light misleadingly and I like how you completely dodge that I have done things as opposed to Oats. No, you were wrong, and you won't admit you were wrong
YOu see, the difference is (as I pointed out in that post) is that sloosh was the main lynch candidate.
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Also your case was bad and has nothing to do with with why we lynched rayn.
Go drown in your own misguided ego or something.
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Ok? And? There's a point here somewhere. Why are you even dragging this out? It's so useless
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stop arguing you two, it's very likely you're both town after all
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I agree.
I give you feedback on your point about oats and you attack me saying I'm scummily painting you in a bad light, I reply to that, you reply to the reply, I reply to your reply to my reply.
Then "why are we dragging this out"
Jeez, Risen. I dunno.
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The strongest point in Risen's case on rayn is rayn's weird townread on him.
Which.... yeah, it makes Risen town, pretty much.
Calling oats scum for being crazy isn't exactly the most convincing point, though.
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And it was a good observation.
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So that kinda sucks, I now think oats and risen are both town.
I hope sloosh flips scum, lmao.
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So I guess I wasted 2~3 hours on typing up a reread? Do you guys want a case with highlighting and line breaks or something?
Why Dirkzor is scum.
1) His inconsistency on HF
Here is Oats' case on Dirk:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498¤tpage=25#493
Here is Clarity's case on Dirk:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498¤tpage=21#408
These have been glossed over. I'm not going to bother rehashing them. If you are calling my scummy because you are declaring me clairvoyant, then you must concede the point that Dirk's initial actions are scummy. Then for the clairvoyant argument to hold, you must prove that his actions (after I say he looks town) actually exonerate him from his earlier suspicious activity.
The fact is that people's primary town reads on him come stem from his case on me.
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I'm getting really tired of this....
Umm, ok
Look into rayn's filter his initial vote is dirk, but you can see he doesn't really push him. It serves as fake contribution and distances the two apart, which you suspect scum to do to some degree.
I'm getting pretty upset right now over the state of affairs, but I don't know how to engage in proper discussion in-game without verbal lashing, and I really don't want to do that.
Ok, I'll just roll over and die. Seriously. I gave it my best shot after a shoddy d1, I gave an earnest effort with my game reread, people's perspective on Dirk is almost rooted in the fact that he made a "decent case" on me, to the point that they are overlooking his early problem which I'm getting crap for in an unreasonable way, and that won't be gone until I flip.
So I'll flip.
FWIW if you guys care about what I think post flip:
##Vote: Dirkzor
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So what did dirk do exactly that made you change your read on him? Because after we made those cases we still called him scum and you still called him town.
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On October 06 2013 05:00 slOosh wrote:
These have been glossed over. I'm not going to bother rehashing them. If you are calling my scummy because you are declaring me clairvoyant, then you must concede the point that Dirk's initial actions are scummy.
Yeah... hence the cases
Then for the clairvoyant argument to hold, you must prove that his actions (after I say he looks town) actually exonerate him from his earlier suspicious activity.
Not really. You called him town when he was looking scummy, you just admitted to that.
Now you're saying he's been scummy all along?
Like, if you're scum (which is what I think) then dirk cannot be scum therefore your townread was you having too much information.
Although I do think dirk's been looking townier, yes.
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Come on sloosh talk to me
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On October 06 2013 05:27 Clarity_nl wrote:
Come on sloosh talk to me
this.
back and forth is required
and i trust clarity to do it
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