EPTHe roleclaimed to me on day 1, quite early.
I don't think he's scum.
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
He roleclaimed to me on day 1, quite early. I don't think he's scum. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On May 15 2012 22:04 Palmar wrote: @Meapak: you've basically been going after sandroba/prplhz throughout the game. Do you think syllo and I were wrong when we decided that it seemed very towny of prplhz to not understand the voting thing and allow syllo to basically control his actions on day 1? You actually wrote an analysis on prplhz at one point. Do you still think he's scum? On May 15 2012 22:08 Palmar wrote: It seems very unlikely sloosh is scum based on the fact that radfield very vocally supported me and syllogism early in the game. in addition, he also voiced support for foolishness's early case against chaoser which turns out was correct. he was basically backing townies and taking a stance against mafia. He roleclaimed to me on day 1, quite early. I don't think he's scum. Do you have more reasoning for thinking they are town other than "they sheeped me/syllo"? Also I don't get what Radfield's "support" of the case against chaoser has much to do with anything since we are searching for the other scum team at the moment. But well, okay, you can PM with MZ and discuss how to answer today. | ||
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Katina
United States454 Posts
On May 15 2012 07:35 slOosh wrote: Katina are you calling Meapak scum? Or misguided? How about prplhz? Not really. His reasons for thinking Palmar is innocent are silly. I don't actually think he's mafia but then again I have no idea who could be on Palmar's team other than Wiggles. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
Palmar is scum. I'm trying to still figure out who else is on his team. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
On May 16 2012 00:10 Katina wrote: Not really. His reasons for thinking Palmar is innocent are silly. I don't actually think he's mafia but then again I have no idea who could be on Palmar's team other than Wiggles. Katina I'm sick of you half assing this game. Put in some goddamn effort and give us some ACTUAL reasons. I don't know, maybe write an analysis, maybe have more of a thread presence, maybe PM people and at least pretend like you're interested. After the cephiro flip I blew up all my reads and started over again and let me say this katina, it's foolishness's insistence that you're town which is preventing me right now from putting you in the majority and lynching you this cycle. Play the game. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On May 16 2012 04:07 chaoser wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/soDmU.jpg) So is no one going to tell me about this round A plan you've made up, or have you just abandoned it? I'd also like to know if you actually followed any round A plans on the previous two or so days, since WBG/Syllo died, and what they were and if you followed through on them. Who was involved in the discussion? Did people want to vote certain ways? I'd be happy if you shared it. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
I wanted to kill Mr. Wiggles for quite some time but Palmar told me that he was town for some reason, now he turned on a dime on that issue. @gonzaw Yes, I either agree or disagree with Palmar when he says something (or at latest, soon after he says it). I don't like the idea of the minority controlling the lynch. I want to kill Mr. Wiggles, if you guys can make that happen then I'm all for it. I'm really dead right now and I need to watch some TV and drink a beer. Please PM me. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
I think Palmar is pretending to play the part of the fool, using the Cephiro town-flip as an excuse to abnegate all former reads and get to choose a fresh position without repercussions. On May 14 2012 23:57 Palmar wrote: Cephiro flipping town changes everything, I've been basing other reads of that, so no, everyone can be scum right now. ET and Wiggles could both be scum, sandroba can now be the last member from BC's family which leaves us with a completely undiscovered family so every connection is completely irrelevant. I'll be sure to post shit before daybreak, need to re-read everything. I don't buy it. When I saw the flip, yea I got upset that he flipped town but it didn't mean that all my reads were gone down the drain. It just meant that I would have to account for one more mafia, and according to Palmar's filter his reads were not so rigid that he couldn't account for this without breaking down each read. Yet that is what he asserts in this quote - that all his reads were based on Cephiro scum flip - no town bases reads like that. He doesn't bother explaining to us how sandroba can be the last member, but just assumes it and then declares every connection irrelevant - as if discouraging us from finding connections. He ends on an empty promise - he isn't posting because he wants allegedly wants time to re-read everything (again, I don't buy that). But he never follows up - he says elsewhere that he probably won't get shot because Katina casted doubt on him - then why the empty promise? Why not just use a confidant in prplhz? His insistence on my towniness is also suspicious. I think it is so I will stop being suspicious of him as it is really difficult to call someone who thinks you are town as scum. Take for instance this quote right here On May 15 2012 22:08 Palmar wrote: It seems very unlikely sloosh is scum based on the fact that radfield very vocally supported me and syllogism early in the game. in addition, he also voiced support for foolishness's early case against chaoser which turns out was correct. he was basically backing townies and taking a stance against mafia. He roleclaimed to me on day 1, quite early. I don't think he's scum. No one is seriously discussing that I'm scum yet that is what he spends his time doing - talking about how towny I am. Not only that, this was all based on Radfield (whom I replaced), yet before he thought me suspicious solely on Radfield's voting of Cephiro (which was perfectly explained afterwards by WBG on how it was according to the voting plan) On May 11 2012 02:04 Palmar wrote: That argument is obviously invalid now that it's very hard for me to make a case which would make MZ scum. prplhz still looks very towny because of his interactions with syllogism early in the game. I keep coming back to the fact that Radfield voted for Cephiro early in the game. This is the annoying thing about replacements, he/you are getting away with no responsibility at all from that exchange. I'm re-reading the entire thing to form a new opinion on the game. It's like he is cherry picking whatever information he wants to justify his reads / stance at the given time. Lastly, I'm extremely wary of his 'foolishness' approach where he declares people town, because foolishness eliminated the group down to 2 people (being very clear and staunch with his stance), yet Palmar is doing it with 4 (I'd call it borderline preemptive wishy-washy), and not pursuing his normal style of scumhunting of finding people one by one. Furthermore, it denies any accountability - should we lynch one of the bottom people and they flip town, the worst you could accuse Palmar of is being wrong with a town read. Its an incredibly scummy approach to playing this game. I've been somewhat hesitant with his interactions with Meapak, but now after looking at his responses and actions after WBG and syllo were shot, I'm set. Yes, I think Palmar is scum. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
(but please do it as early as possible as I have limited internet access as I'm moving into summer apartments which doesn't have internet yet and I have to come onto campus to get it) | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
ET, that post you thought he sounded towny because, I doubt you could find much else in his filter. I in my dazed sickness posted something stupid - and he blasted it out of the water. But that isn't indicative of his alignment, it just shows he is capable of catching bad logic when he sees it. Whether or not he has demonstrated use of this for town I would highly debate. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
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Katina
United States454 Posts
On May 16 2012 03:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Katina I'm sick of you half assing this game. Put in some goddamn effort and give us some ACTUAL reasons. I don't know, maybe write an analysis, maybe have more of a thread presence, maybe PM people and at least pretend like you're interested. After the cephiro flip I blew up all my reads and started over again and let me say this katina, it's foolishness's insistence that you're town which is preventing me right now from putting you in the majority and lynching you this cycle. Play the game. I have been sir. I do not mean to overstep your pride here. Let me say again that your reasons for thinking Palmar is innocent are silly. I don't say this in an accusatory way; it's the truth. I don't think you are mafia, but as I said I don't know who the last member on Palmar's team is (I think Wiggles is one of them). You said that Palmar is innocent because he has had the same reads as you from the start. That does not indicate anything about alignment. Palmar has wanted to kill sandroba and Cephiro (these are the two you listed). But everyone wants to kill those two. Also it makes the most sense that sandroba is the last member of BC's team. So Palmar isn't bussing one of his teammates. The most incriminating piece of evidence is that Palmar was virtually derping when syllogism was alive. That's cause syllogism was hard core pushing his innocence especially in PMs. I know Foolishness and wherebugsgo were both suspicious of Palmar but syllogism made it hard for them to push that read. That and there were more important targets at the time. If you look through Palmar's post history you will see he was most active day 1 and then in the previous days since syllogism's death. Palmar was using syllogism as an excuse to not do anything. With syllogism constantly pushing his innocence he did not have to try at all, either in the thread or PM. He has only stepped up his posting since syllogism died, whether he's stepped up in PM land or not I don't know. Even if you want to start pointing guns at me, you still need to explain why Palmar deserves a free pass. Cause this isn't about me, it's about Palmar. And like I said at least one person out of you, me, and Palmar has to be mafia. Unless you're going to claim mafia I'm not stopping until Palmar is dead. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Gonna check PMs and shit, then PM people who haven't voted yet what to do | ||
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Protactinium
Canada550 Posts
![[image loading]](http://midnightinsomniac.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/capture8.jpg?w=550) Day 6: Round B Round A has concluded. The tally is as follows: No: (6) gonzaw Katina Palmar prplhz sandroba slOosh Yes: (3) EchelonTee Meapak_Ziphh Mr. Wiggles Players who voted Yes are in the minority. They are immune to lynch this round. This means that the eligible candidates for Round B are: gonzaw Katina Palmar prplhz sandroba slOosh Round B (Downsizing Round) ends in 23 hours at 8PM PDT (23:00 EDT (-04:00) your time). Please PM me with 5 names of players you wish to continue into Day 2 before then. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Okay, gonna discuss some things with MZ/ET and try to come up with some plan for today's voting, and shed some light into some of our reads or people we want to lynch. | ||
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