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On August 30 2012 02:45 Shady Sands wrote:

Posts like that don't hurt the town, but they don't help the town either.

The issue is if you're just playing to have fun, it makes it impossible to develop good reads on you. That's what ends up hurting town. Understand?

On August 29 2012 05:47 talismania wrote:
ok dj I understand what you're trying to say but it doesn't hang together.

This is the post that you said later was intended half as bait:



Your claimed trap was to push a lynch on lvdr, who you supposedly think might be scum. if he is, great, if he isn't maybe you can catch people bandwagoning. So far... ok. But at the time you made that post, you already had two people voting behind you. So the actual trap part wasn't this post, it was the part where you voted lvdr. This doesn't contribute to the supposed trap. Instead it sounds like what it probably is: lynch lvdr, if he flips town, lynch chez. In essence, justifying two days of votes at once, which smells like scum. That isn't bait for anything, and calling it that is a clumsy way to recast your actions.

On August 30 2012 00:06 Bluelightz wrote:


Well, I have an odd feeling that you might be scum, and that your pushing for the easy lynch today, and I think talis is town, from his reasoning on not being active.

On August 29 2012 16:06 Shady Sands wrote:
More points on Lvdr:



He says he'll do a close reading, then comes back with this:



As noted above, he's sheeping Marv and IamP here when he's already done that with the Obvious lynch. Moreover, the results of his reading simply state that


And


Other than me and Talis, he has no results. At all. No comment on the whole IamP/Chez/DJ discussion which has occupied most of the last three pages, no mention of his thoughts on the D2 no-lynch at all. No analysis of voting patterns or anything specific which leads to his scumreads on me or Talis; instead, we just get a general meta read and reiteration of prior points on Talis.

Except: this is his prior read on Talis:

Which he has never elaborated upon. Indeed, his vote on Talis D2 said this:

So Lvdr at this point has offered the town no reads at all since D1, while claiming to have scumreads on 2 people. In addition he's sheeping Marv yet again and making excuses for his lurky behavior when he clearly had a much higher activity level in the game where he was town.

Basically, at this point, he has a giant scum sign hanging above his head. This, on top of the fact that lynching him will provide town with a plethora of information about other players as well.

In case you guys haven't done it yet,

Vote Lvdr or else I will call my friend to find your IP address and DDOS you back to the stone age.

On August 30 2012 04:03 Miltonkram wrote:
@ Shady

I'll look closer at Lvdr. I'm at work so it'll probably take me a while. What's your opinion towards Chez? I don't like the idea of him being around during LYLO because his filter is pretty shit.

I'll do my best to comment, answer questions, and build towards a lynch today, but once again I'm at work so it will be difficult for me to get in here.

On August 30 2012 04:03 Miltonkram wrote:
@ Shady

I'll look closer at Lvdr. I'm at work so it'll probably take me a while. What's your opinion towards Chez? I don't like the idea of him being around during LYLO because his filter is pretty shit.

I'll do my best to comment, answer questions, and build towards a lynch today, but once again I'm at work so it will be difficult for me to get in here.

On August 26 2012 14:33 Lvdr wrote:
Hmm my read on chez is that he is engaged in the game. His voting patterns look pretty pro-town (extremely active at deadline, seems to be trying to find a good lynch even if he doesn't actually state reasoning)

Unfortunately it is very hard (at least for me) to read a troll player. YourHarry's scum game was deadly effective, and it doesn't seem that a troll townie could be all that useful to the town.

Not sure why he voted for me, but hopefully there is an explanation at the other end of the rainbow.

That being said, I think a vigi shot could be a good call at this point.

Does the town know who made the shot

Regarding talis, I would give him no better than a null read. 2 points that stuck out to me.
1. The activity is quite low, and not particularly filled with content. I wouldn't call it downright scummy though.
2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&currentpage=25#497
This post latches on to a stretch of a case, complete agreement, no further points made, never revisited beyond his initial AHA moment.

Maybe I've talked myself into a scum-read. I have to see how I feel after some-more activity.

On August 29 2012 14:08 Lvdr wrote:
I like my previous read on talis being scum. Also, I disappeared mainly because (as you noted) I was extremely involved in the other game, esp coming down to lynch deadlines, and I was unable to deal with shady because I was mad at him (oops).

The lack of activity makes me really uncomfortable. Also, it may be a cross game gambit, but Shady's actions here seem similar to those in the other game (where he flipped scum). I keep getting a "He is either really bad town or clumsy scum" read across the two games.

I would say lets just lynch him, but I don't think thats actually good play.

Hence, ##vote:Talismania

On August 30 2012 04:42 talismania wrote:
I thoguht lvdr legitimately slipped d1 but then after re-reading it I decided I was probably wrong about that part.

but then this from today is kinda funny:






classic scum forgetting what he wrote earlier.

##vote:lvdr

On August 30 2012 04:10 talismania wrote:
hokay so basically I'm on the block because I haven't been around? I guess that makes sense. I haven't been around much after all =P Can't say I've even really gotten into this game from the get-go either. I usually like a bit of setup talk to chew on but this one after all is normal.

ok let me gather my reads n shit.

On August 30 2012 04:56 marvellosity wrote:


Apathy that only happens when talis is not town. talis hates scum and loves playing town. I'd like to see him even try to deny this, and try to explain this away.