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Okay, I preface this post by saying that I used old-school links rather than quotes to save space as this is a big motherfucker. If you can't handle it, then save everyone some time and just go put your vote on Palmar. He's pretty much a sure thing as far as I'm concerned, and if you can't be bothered to read the thread, you were just gonna sheep someone anyway. Might as well make it me. Go vote Palmar now, or read ahead and decide for yourself.
Palmar List reveals what most of the vets are probably thinking but not posting…that due to balance, at least 2 of the mafias are going to be experienced players. What I dislike about this list the most is that in spite of posting such a list, he claims that he will not agree with lynching into it. Like, I don't disagree with the sentiment, but if that's the case, then why post the list in the first place? All it serves to do is make people suspicious of the people that, by his estimation, people should be listening to moving forward.
A townie-feeling post by Palmar which gave me a town-read on him until I read on. It's the kind of posting I'd expect to, well, expect from townPalmar. Only thing I didn't like was the hint of AtE (Appeal to Emotion) in saying Syllo would normally call him 'annoying'.
Defense of his playstyle when questioned. Please note that by his estimation, we should all "Establish our innocence" before "scumhunt".
Discrediting red's case against him without really defending himself. Just calls it bad, and attempts to discredit me by saying that it's bad because I agree with it. I'm not the best player in the world, but I'm certainly not the worst. Ask Palmar WHY I tunnel him every time I'm town.
His actual defense of red's case. Here are his points.
1) Setup/Balance speculation is not scummy.
2) I wasn't rolefishing
3) Meta: See Me and Syllo play together.
To which I respond:
1) It is when it's all you're doing. Commenting on what's happening in the game and giving your reads is actually contributing. Setup speculation and suggesting no lynch when there's literally NO reason to assume something like that is even going to be possible is fucking scummy.
2) It felt like rolefishing to me too bro - just saying it's not and calling people dumb for suggesting it is fucking scummy.
3) Meta: Useless when applied to self. Useless and fucking scummy.
Palmar giving excuse for knowing my alignment already.
More useless discrediting of VE. Like, this is something I'll never understand. In a game where we are so uncertain of everyone's alignment, what purpose does it serve in a town-mindset to belittle our neighbors? It might get him a couple of sheep votes in the end, but what if he's successful and leads a mislynch? Then town is all up in arms and he's suspect #1 right? It doesn't make sense. As scum though, it makes perfect sense. It's a way to get townies all riled up. It's a way to bully them into doing what you want them to do. It's a way to defend yourself without using logic or reason.
For Glory! begins Palmar's descent into lying, trolling and mischief. Alone, these aren't scum-tells..but taken with everything else, I feel it's pretty damning.
Defense of scummy manipulation. Like, gambit? Really? You lied, threatened and ultimately caused the death of 'your homeboy' on a gambit? Because you thought v7 was lying about his notes? OKAAAAY!
More fluff.
More discrediting. I'd like to point out that at this point, I've decided that Palmar is going to be the lynch for today.
More defense of his manipulation, but with bonus "VE is a retard". Cool story bro! And now, not just VE is retarded, but ANYONE voting on Palmar is bad/stupid/new. Sticks with his weak reason for manipulating v7. Appeals to Authority hard. "Look at all those vets NOT voting for Palmar! Hmmmmm"
Here's the Real Appeal where he calls specifically on the vets to swoop in and save him. It appears to have worked with Sandroba. Possible scumbuddies?
Holy Scum-Claim Batman! Not really, but really, let's think a minute. Clearly Palmar's role is legit. He claimed Floridian, an extra vote appeared on Hier just as he said it would. Here's what gets me though. If it were a town-aligned role, why would the vote show up as "Anonymous" rather than have his name on it? "HERP VE so he can use it without claiming! DERP" Riiiight...except, why would a town-aligned player need to do that? Why would a town-aligned player even use that role? It's been said already, but I'd like to reitterate that normally vote-rigging roles are scum roles. They just make more sense as scum roles. Therefor, I believe Palmar's role-claim. I think he's a scum Floridian.
Here (10:13PM) we see Palmar agree to switch both of his votes to Lanaia. I mean, he said she was "a bad lynch" (7:30PM), but hey, gotta avoid that no-lynch, right? Right guys? Oh wait...in Palmar's "sign-off post", he makes it very clear that no-lynch is preferable to killing townies! Also makes it clear, again, for the third or fourth time (I lost count), that anyone voting for him is bad/stupid/new or scum. I'm not scum, and I was voting for him.
Palmar confirming that he DID get syllogism's request to switch his vote back. Does so.
What galls me is that he's got the nerve to call my play bad. I haven't even started playing yet bud. You're just lucky I wasn't around for the end of the day yesterday. Your ass hangs today. Scum.
tl;dr
Palmar
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And furthermore:
##Vote: Palmar
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On December 07 2011 16:33 VisceraEyes wrote:Why would a town-aligned player even use that role? It's been said already, but I'd like to reitterate that normally vote-rigging roles are scum roles. They just make more sense as scum roles. Therefor, I believe Palmar's role-claim. I think he's a scum Floridian. --- Here (10:13PM) we see Palmar agree to switch both of his votes to Lanaia. I mean, he said she was "a bad lynch" (7:30PM), but hey, gotta avoid that no-lynch, right? Right guys? Oh wait...in Palmar's "sign-off post", he makes it very clear that no-lynch is preferable to killing townies! Also makes it clear, again, for the third or fourth time (I lost count), that anyone voting for him is bad/stupid/new or scum. I'm not scum, and I was voting for him.
In every game that I've had votes that I have to PM to the mod, I've been town. One game showed my name and the other IIRC didn't say any name whatsoever.
I did not see his post about switching his votes to me. He clearly didn't explain that when it happened. Thanks, VE, for pointing it out. But he did switch it again later on, but... I'm kind of confused.
I know this isn't much, but I'll be back in the morning. I need to sleep. Be back in approx 10 hours. Maybe less.
I do know that I don't really like what I saw based on VE's perspective of Palmar switching about because someone said to.
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On December 07 2011 16:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh wait...in Palmar's "sign-off post", he makes it very clear that no-lynch is preferable to killing townies! Also makes it clear, again, for the third or fourth time (I lost count), that anyone voting for him is bad/stupid/new or scum. I'm not scum, and I was voting for him.
If you're not scum, then you can probably cross that off the list, as well as new!
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I protected V7 annul has another method to keep alive.
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On December 07 2011 15:10 Refallen wrote:
Is it likely that there is more than 1 roleblocker?
Also, if annul got medic'd, and reds have 3kp, that means that mafia didn't target drazerk? Wouldn't he have been a prime target?
Probably not and somebody on the scum team knows my meta and probably doesn't trust the claim which is understandable however every game I've claimed medic and stayed alive town has won.
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On December 07 2011 14:41 annul wrote:
i just asked and was told someone medic'd me. <3.
ok so reds have 3 kp then
Hi annul, why would any medic protect you over... say.... the vigilante who was on your ass during the night and died? Nevermind the fact that he was obvious town too?
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Hi Drazerk, sorry, I don't quite understand. Are you saying that Mafia didn't target you because they didn't think your role claim was real?
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On December 07 2011 17:43 Refallen wrote:
Hi Drazerk, sorry, I don't quite understand. Are you saying that Mafia didn't target you because they didn't think your role claim was real?
Pretty much I am known for lying a lot
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On December 07 2011 17:28 Drazerk wrote:
I protected V7 annul has another method to keep alive.
Explain your thought process behind this. To me v7 looks like a vastly inferior target to for example syllogism?
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On December 07 2011 17:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 17:28 Drazerk wrote:
I protected V7 annul has another method to keep alive. Explain your thought process behind this. To me v7 looks like a vastly inferior target to for example syllogism?
I sent in the night action when I claimed I was still mad for you surviving and dislike syllo / soft
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Draz, who cares what scum thinks of your choice of targets? Just vote for him and laugh knowingly until he flips scum. That's my advice.
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On December 07 2011 18:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
Draz, who cares what scum thinks of your choice of targets? Just vote for him and laugh knowingly until he flips scum. That's my advice.
Are you trying to exploit the fact that you generally tunnel me as town to hide something? You're not even trying to look genuine, or at least give anything a second thought.
Do you believe annul's claim of being shot? Do you agree with me that it's very likely syllogism shot him? Do you agree that it's very unlikely a medic would choose annul as his target?
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On December 07 2011 18:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
Draz, who cares what scum thinks of your choice of targets? Just vote for him and laugh knowingly until he flips scum. That's my advice.
Oh yeah.
I changed my mind. I made a mistake yesterday and I am not repeating it.
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For what it's worth, I'm leaning to Palmar being townie atm. I agree with him that annul's claim of being saved by a medic is suspicious, though I'm not sure if syllo shot him or not. As he says, there are better targets for a medic to be chosen.
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possibility is he is scum and thought I was lying and was going to catch me out by saying I saved him to save my own claim.
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On December 07 2011 18:16 Refallen wrote:
For what it's worth, I'm leaning to Palmar being townie atm. I agree with him that annul's claim of being saved by a medic is suspicious, though I'm not sure if syllo shot him or not. As he says, there are better targets for a medic to be chosen.
Read syllo's filter during the night.
And then trust me on the fact that syllo does have the confidence to fire night 1. I actually read the day post and went "wtf, syllo didn't shoot?" until I saw annul's claim.
That paired with the fact syllo was on annul's ass during the night makes me believe annul's claim is actually true and that syllogism did shoot him.
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If that's the case, and annul is scum, what do you make of his saying mafia has 3kp? Where did the last kp go? Did someone get saved or did Mafia doublestack? I'm assuming that if you got saved as town you should declare it as I feel like that would be helpful for town.
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On December 07 2011 18:33 Refallen wrote:
If that's the case, and annul is scum, what do you make of his saying mafia has 3kp? Where did the last kp go? Did someone get saved or did Mafia doublestack? I'm assuming that if you got saved as town you should declare it as I feel like that would be helpful for town.
I assume mafia has 2kp and annul is lying.
Just think about it, the game already has abnormally high number of mafia (5 would be normal in a 25 player setup, not 6). If mafia has 6 players and 3 kp, they can rape town very fast. Which is why I asked at the beginning of the game how syllogism thought the game was balanced.
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On December 07 2011 18:12 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 18:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
Draz, who cares what scum thinks of your choice of targets? Just vote for him and laugh knowingly until he flips scum. That's my advice. Are you trying to exploit the fact that you generally tunnel me as town to hide something? You're not even trying to look genuine, or at least give anything a second thought. Do you believe annul's claim of being shot? Do you agree with me that it's very likely syllogism shot him? Do you agree that it's very unlikely a medic would choose annul as his target?
Explain the bolded. I've been genuinely suspicious of you all game. I'm not trying to hide anything - it's some kind of massive coincidence that you just happen to look town in games I'm not playing and suddenly turn into Trolly McFuckstick every time I'm in a game with you...either that or you do the shit on purpose. But judging from your play this game, if you're town I'll eat my own shit.
I'm not sure what I think of Annul's claim. Right now I can't be bothered because YOU are going to hang today. Call it my mission. Syllo was at least mildly suspicious of Annul, and I wouldn't be surprised if syllo shot Annul. But no, I don't think it's "very unlikely" a medic would protect annul...in fact, if I were a medic, annul would be on my tertiary protect list by virtue of being active and scumhunting, yet NOT known for strong results.
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