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Sidders
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands41 Posts
February 17 2012 14:20 GMT
#81
Shame I missed these games, and a big shame MC is out, eventhough Genius might be the better player. Will always enjoy MCs sportmanship!
SlayerS/oGs fan - Former journalist for sites such as MYM/Cadred/LLL and TEK-9 - exCOD4 pro gamer
bundo
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada113 Posts
February 17 2012 14:34 GMT
#82
if it is genius vs DRG the finals are going to be amazing!!!! go-go genius!!
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
February 17 2012 17:43 GMT
#83
I don't know whether anyone's still looking at this thread, but vis-a-vis Genius beating MC at PvP and therefore being the best Protoss in the world, people still consider MC's PvP to be really good.

To put it bluntly, it really isn't. Since the 5th March last year, his Korean PvP record is exactly 50%, as shown here. That's the same as MMA's PvT, shown here.

MMA's PvT is widely considered to be his weakest matchup. MC's PvP should definitely be considered his, but his winrate is inflated by his hulk-smashing of players like HongUn and Ace in his heyday, and in the heyday of 4gate, which was unforgiving but at least a stable build.

When Puzzle or Oz beat MMA last season or this season, opinion didn't show that Oz or Puzzle were considered vastly superior than MMA. This was partly because the matches were closer than a 3-0, but also partly because TvP is well-known and recognised to be MMA's weakest matchup.

People should recognise MC's weakness as well, when making their decisions as to who is the overall better player.
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
February 17 2012 18:20 GMT
#84
Genius/DRG finals with Genius winning it is my current dream. Make it happen !
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
dextrin303
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden320 Posts
February 18 2012 09:49 GMT
#85
DRG vs Genius finals would be so awesome :D
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-18 10:14:06
February 18 2012 10:06 GMT
#86
On February 18 2012 02:43 SeaSwift wrote:
I don't know whether anyone's still looking at this thread, but vis-a-vis Genius beating MC at PvP and therefore being the best Protoss in the world, people still consider MC's PvP to be really good.

To put it bluntly, it really isn't. Since the 5th March last year, his Korean PvP record is exactly 50%, as shown here. That's the same as MMA's PvT, shown here.

MMA's PvT is widely considered to be his weakest matchup. MC's PvP should definitely be considered his, but his winrate is inflated by his hulk-smashing of players like HongUn and Ace in his heyday, and in the heyday of 4gate, which was unforgiving but at least a stable build.

When Puzzle or Oz beat MMA last season or this season, opinion didn't show that Oz or Puzzle were considered vastly superior than MMA. This was partly because the matches were closer than a 3-0, but also partly because TvP is well-known and recognised to be MMA's weakest matchup.

People should recognise MC's weakness as well, when making their decisions as to who is the overall better player.

Dude do you play protoss? You could beat any pro 30% of time due to BOers. Pros being 50/50 is no big deal. It's random as fuck. One week MC will shut out Huk The next the opposite. and on and on and on. I said in thread when MC got 1 st in his RO16 group and would face Genius that would be his toughest test because of random. Same when Alicia eliminated him same when hong did in both shut outs. It's not a weakness it's random. PartinG could have won those games w MC just as easy.
MC for president
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
February 18 2012 10:33 GMT
#87
On February 18 2012 19:06 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2012 02:43 SeaSwift wrote:
I don't know whether anyone's still looking at this thread, but vis-a-vis Genius beating MC at PvP and therefore being the best Protoss in the world, people still consider MC's PvP to be really good.

To put it bluntly, it really isn't. Since the 5th March last year, his Korean PvP record is exactly 50%, as shown here. That's the same as MMA's PvT, shown here.

MMA's PvT is widely considered to be his weakest matchup. MC's PvP should definitely be considered his, but his winrate is inflated by his hulk-smashing of players like HongUn and Ace in his heyday, and in the heyday of 4gate, which was unforgiving but at least a stable build.

When Puzzle or Oz beat MMA last season or this season, opinion didn't show that Oz or Puzzle were considered vastly superior than MMA. This was partly because the matches were closer than a 3-0, but also partly because TvP is well-known and recognised to be MMA's weakest matchup.

People should recognise MC's weakness as well, when making their decisions as to who is the overall better player.

Dude do you play protoss? You could beat any pro 30% of time due to BOers. Pros being 50/50 is no big deal. It's random as fuck. One week MC will shut out Huk The next the opposite. and on and on and on. I said in thread when MC got 1 st in his RO16 group and would face Genius that would be his toughest test because of random. Same when Alicia eliminated him same when hong did in both shut outs. It's not a weakness it's random. PartinG could have won those games w MC just as easy.


Except they weren't build order wins. Hell, maybe the first one was, when Genius could have gone for a 4gate or not. But the 2nd and 3rd game were not just straight up autoloss for MC, they were Genius outplaying him.
snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
February 18 2012 19:08 GMT
#88
i have my money on genius. gogo protoss! :D
My religion is Starcraft
whatthefat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States918 Posts
February 19 2012 02:00 GMT
#89
I'm looking forward to seeing what DRG can do in the semi-final, and hopefully the final! I mean, yes, he's obviously really good, and in fact he's probably the best Zerg in the world right now. But I'm still finding it a little hard to get excited about his play. It feels almost as though he's the Zerg #1 by default at the moment (i.e., I'm not getting the chills a Leenock or a Nestea can induce). Parting's play wasn't much of a test for DRG, sadly. I only hope we get a Genius vs. DRG final. That, I think, would really test the depth of DRG's ZvP, and the match winner could truly be called the king of their race.
SlayerS_BoxeR: "I always feel sorry towards Greg (Grack?) T_T"
niilzon
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium105 Posts
February 20 2012 11:28 GMT
#90
On February 17 2012 06:12 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I am so scared for DRG if Genius makes it to the final.
Genius would totally be stealing his thunder.

For DRG's sakes, I hope Genius loses against Alive.
Then DRG's got a chance at his first championship.


Man, your post sums up the truth perfectly.

I don't see DRG win against Genius. However I don't see DRG lose against anyone else
Though I must admit that even if I'm a DRG fanboy, I hope to see him vs Genius in the finals, for the sake of having the highest possible combined skill level in those finals
DeaDoXFighting
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada115 Posts
February 20 2012 16:25 GMT
#91
Can´t wait to see Genius vs DRG in finals! Will be so epic!
Go Liquid Hero !!!!!
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