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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 03 2013 20:40 GMT
#841
slOosh, we really just need to know what your current reads and shit are.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 03 2013 20:40 GMT
#842
yeah I'm just not reading Risen's case. It's a waste of my time.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 03 2013 20:41 GMT
#843
On October 04 2013 05:33 slOosh wrote:
Damn 20 pages since I've been gone.


K, from what I've skimmed so far people don't like that I somehow switched onto clarity?
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 09:58 slOosh wrote:
There's nothing too compelling in the case on Clarity. There's a potentially good point in how clarity retracted his townread of me, but given clarity's explanation and the fact that he actually draws attention to it is a plus for him.

That's what I said. Nothing that sticks out too much for me in Risen's case. If I see a weak case, then I'll call it weak. Doesn't matter what kinds of reads I have on Risen / clarity, a case's robustness is independent of that.

The quotes I bring up are not in Risen's case.
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 12:18 slOosh wrote:
Booorinngg

The following quotes contain wiffle-waffle: Agree / Disagree?
On October 03 2013 03:01 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think that's just blazinghand being blazinghand. He likes numbers and theorycrafting so despite having a scumread on oats he considers possibilities where he's town and justifies the lynch in that case.
That's my interpretation anyway.

He has contributed quite a bit, I don't have a solid read on him but I think he's a poor lynch today.

I'd like to hear more about your thoughts on oats, and please comment on dirk as well.

On October 03 2013 03:02 Clarity_nl wrote:
Like, it's not improbable for him to be scum doing all this rng business but I can't tell. He's clearly putting effort in and that's cool.


There's no contradiction here, just a failure (by readers) to consider context.

Now why I find problem with this wiffle waffle, is that clarity doesn't have a good read on BH (and spends lots of words explaning how he isn't sure), but finds it pertinent to speak on behalf of BH to rayn. How does this pursue a better read on BH? Why would you speak up for someone who you want a better read of?


So... that makes you feel good about your vote on me? The fact that the guy I don't really have a read on, who I don't want to lynch today, is not being pursued by me?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
October 03 2013 20:42 GMT
#844
On October 04 2013 05:40 marvellosity wrote:
slOosh, we really just need to know what your current reads and shit are.

Still reading dude.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 03 2013 20:44 GMT
#845
Risen could actually be mafia for that case.

It's just so dumb. I told him earlier that a case like that is going to convince nobody, and he does exactly the same thing on another player?

what the fuck is that shit?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
October 03 2013 20:44 GMT
#846
On October 04 2013 05:41 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 05:33 slOosh wrote:
Damn 20 pages since I've been gone.


K, from what I've skimmed so far people don't like that I somehow switched onto clarity?
On October 03 2013 09:58 slOosh wrote:
There's nothing too compelling in the case on Clarity. There's a potentially good point in how clarity retracted his townread of me, but given clarity's explanation and the fact that he actually draws attention to it is a plus for him.

That's what I said. Nothing that sticks out too much for me in Risen's case. If I see a weak case, then I'll call it weak. Doesn't matter what kinds of reads I have on Risen / clarity, a case's robustness is independent of that.

The quotes I bring up are not in Risen's case.
On October 03 2013 12:18 slOosh wrote:
Booorinngg

The following quotes contain wiffle-waffle: Agree / Disagree?
On October 03 2013 03:01 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think that's just blazinghand being blazinghand. He likes numbers and theorycrafting so despite having a scumread on oats he considers possibilities where he's town and justifies the lynch in that case.
That's my interpretation anyway.

He has contributed quite a bit, I don't have a solid read on him but I think he's a poor lynch today.

I'd like to hear more about your thoughts on oats, and please comment on dirk as well.

On October 03 2013 03:02 Clarity_nl wrote:
Like, it's not improbable for him to be scum doing all this rng business but I can't tell. He's clearly putting effort in and that's cool.


There's no contradiction here, just a failure (by readers) to consider context.

Now why I find problem with this wiffle waffle, is that clarity doesn't have a good read on BH (and spends lots of words explaning how he isn't sure), but finds it pertinent to speak on behalf of BH to rayn. How does this pursue a better read on BH? Why would you speak up for someone who you want a better read of?


So... that makes you feel good about your vote on me? The fact that the guy I don't really have a read on, who I don't want to lynch today, is not being pursued by me?

You aren't just waiting on the sidelines to see how he will act given more time. You spoke on his behalf instead of letting him being questioned. This being someone you would actually want a better read on. Why?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 03 2013 20:44 GMT
#847
I could take anyone's filter in the game (probably including my own) and make some ridiculous narrative out of it. It's just awful.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 03 2013 20:45 GMT
#848
On October 04 2013 05:20 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 05:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
So is it just me that does all the reading and analyzing BEFORE making a case? Let alone announcing that I have this great case in the works?

Like this brimming with confidence thing doesn't sit right with me.

There's a difference between having a feeling when you start a case and finding the evidence to back your feelings as you build the case. I've started to write cases in the past and come to the conclusion whilst writing it that someone else is scum.

Sorry I forgot to spoiler that. I'm leaving again, I'll be keeping up on my phone, though
so you're saying your cases are all based on confirmation bias? They should be objective not based on feelings.

Also, I do like some of risens points by the way. Rayn is voting for people who were voting on his scum reads etc etc, i suggest you do read it to take out some of these points.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 03 2013 20:46 GMT
#849
Why don't you tell me what the good points were, that sounds like more fun. I did in fact skim it and I kinda vommed inside my mouth while doing so, so I'd rather avoid the experience a 2nd time.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 03 2013 20:47 GMT
#850
On October 04 2013 05:44 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 05:41 Clarity_nl wrote:
On October 04 2013 05:33 slOosh wrote:
Damn 20 pages since I've been gone.


K, from what I've skimmed so far people don't like that I somehow switched onto clarity?
On October 03 2013 09:58 slOosh wrote:
There's nothing too compelling in the case on Clarity. There's a potentially good point in how clarity retracted his townread of me, but given clarity's explanation and the fact that he actually draws attention to it is a plus for him.

That's what I said. Nothing that sticks out too much for me in Risen's case. If I see a weak case, then I'll call it weak. Doesn't matter what kinds of reads I have on Risen / clarity, a case's robustness is independent of that.

The quotes I bring up are not in Risen's case.
On October 03 2013 12:18 slOosh wrote:
Booorinngg

The following quotes contain wiffle-waffle: Agree / Disagree?
On October 03 2013 03:01 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think that's just blazinghand being blazinghand. He likes numbers and theorycrafting so despite having a scumread on oats he considers possibilities where he's town and justifies the lynch in that case.
That's my interpretation anyway.

He has contributed quite a bit, I don't have a solid read on him but I think he's a poor lynch today.

I'd like to hear more about your thoughts on oats, and please comment on dirk as well.

On October 03 2013 03:02 Clarity_nl wrote:
Like, it's not improbable for him to be scum doing all this rng business but I can't tell. He's clearly putting effort in and that's cool.


There's no contradiction here, just a failure (by readers) to consider context.

Now why I find problem with this wiffle waffle, is that clarity doesn't have a good read on BH (and spends lots of words explaning how he isn't sure), but finds it pertinent to speak on behalf of BH to rayn. How does this pursue a better read on BH? Why would you speak up for someone who you want a better read of?


So... that makes you feel good about your vote on me? The fact that the guy I don't really have a read on, who I don't want to lynch today, is not being pursued by me?

You aren't just waiting on the sidelines to see how he will act given more time. You spoke on his behalf instead of letting him being questioned. This being someone you would actually want a better read on. Why?


Because I knew the answer to rayn's question. Because I asked blazing the same question.

On October 04 2013 05:44 marvellosity wrote:
I could take anyone's filter in the game (probably including my own) and make some ridiculous narrative out of it. It's just awful.


=/

he's wearing his pants on his head, does that mean he's scum?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 03 2013 20:49 GMT
#851
On October 04 2013 05:46 marvellosity wrote:
Why don't you tell me what the good points were, that sounds like more fun. I did in fact skim it and I kinda vommed inside my mouth while doing so, so I'd rather avoid the experience a 2nd time.


On my phone, tedious to read it all again, let alone quote but if you start half way through it is bearable
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 03 2013 20:49 GMT
#852
I don't understand why he'd make that sort of case when I said pretty clearly how unconvincing that kind of case was last time.

It's like he actually wants to be ignored.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 03 2013 20:52 GMT
#853
I really dunno.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 03 2013 20:56 GMT
#854
Alright, I read the 2nd half of the case.

The thing that is not valid: Risen says that rayn is willing to vote his townread (Risen himself). This is pretty clearly not true given the posts quoted

The thing that is valid: that rayn seems to be not bothered by his top scumread voting his 2nd scumread. This one's more interesting. Actually I partly caught Cephiro (ok he was already caught) in Noir because he produced two scumreads and didn't mention that one attacked the other. It wasn't on day 1 though.

Arguably Dirkzor is my 2nd "scumread" even though I'm not sure he actually is though. Actually in the end I don't have that much of a problem on day 1 with that sort of thing, because it means maybe you're wrong on something. You can't make votes based on rankings of scumminess, because what that is is connections between unflipped players when it comes down to it.

I would reiterate that slOosh being scummy but not scummiest for both rayn and BH earlier in the day kinda made me feel good about that lynch. For the "hedging bets" kinda reasons
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 03 2013 20:58 GMT
#855
One other thing - the case (or what I read of it) makes it sound like Risen thinks that slOosh is rayn's scumbuddy.

Which necessarily would mean that Clarity is town, and yet Risen said that his feelings on Clarity remained the same.

And yet partly at least the case on rayn almost seems to rest on slOosh being mafia? Risen says that rayn is doing anything not to vote slOosh. Surely this only makes sense if slOosh is mafia, surely therefore it makes sense to lynch slOosh (given they would both be mafia) to prove that part of the case.

Yes?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 03 2013 21:00 GMT
#856
I'd actually really like thoughts on my post just there.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 03 2013 21:01 GMT
#857
Patience, dear.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 03 2013 21:03 GMT
#858
It wasn't a "I'm getting impatient", it was a "I'm still mulling over what I wrote and I think it might be quite significant so I'm gonna say something else to emphasise it" type thing.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 03 2013 21:03 GMT
#859
Fair enough. I'm wading through the swamp that is Risen. Pray for me.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 03 2013 21:05 GMT
#860
HE'S WILLING TO VOTE FOR A TOWN READ
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
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