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Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
January 13 2011 13:26 GMT
#821
Also for my above post I read page 41 AFTER I posted.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
January 13 2011 14:56 GMT
#822
As some of you might have noticed, I haven't had much chance to post yesterday, or at all. Been out and about most of the day, and with clients for dinner meetings later on.

Checked the thread a couple times on my phone. I thought if deconduo had shocked me, that would be the end of me. At least I'm still alive, for another round.

I'll add more maybe during lunch.
靈魂交響曲
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
January 13 2011 16:15 GMT
#823
Some of this may have been rehashed before but lets get this done.

5 potential deaths witch saved one. 4 ended up being dead.

We know if you read the role list mafia have starting KP of 1
We also know cpr doctor and joat can act night 1
Each SK (if we have more than one) has a kp of 1

Now, the only possible way for there to be this many deaths is to have cpr / joat both active with 1 red kp and 1 SK

or 2 sk, 1 red and 1 cpr.


Now, before everyone talks about the likelyhood of there being a joat or not, keep in mind that div managed to snag hider which was supposed to be taken before he got to choose, as well as ggq managing to get day vig well after he should have been able to take it. People will attempt to snag any role they feel they want. Case and point with RoL aiming for traitor while someone else had swiped it already. Copycat may be gone, as could joat, but since both are pretty potent roles it isn't beyond the realm of possibility that they both got snagged anyway. Merely assume until we can prove otherwise that they are still in circulation.

Next. Everyone is spending time on finding the traitor, awesome. We know hes one of
deconduo (cpr)
Kenpachi (godfather)
kitaman27
Barundar
Jackal58
Fishball
Amber[Light]
CubEdIn

Of those 8, 2 are dead, and 2 claimed their roles already.
that leaves 4 possible players to have the traitor role. We now have exactly who to look at for terms of who is most likely traitor. If we are lucky we may also have 1 red in that list hurrah.

Now, onto the kenpachi situation. He opted to "deny" the gf role from the mafia, a role he felt would be too powerful in their hands. However, why would he opt to take GF? There are far more potent roles for mafia to choose that he could have denied.
Joat, day vig, night vig, veteran, bulletproof, copycat. All of these roles are better to deny then the GF. Why you ask? GF is still trackable, and should still be spotted by bulletbill.

Sure gf has 1 kp if hes lynched (and only on those who voted for him), but overall the role is not nearly as powerful as one of the ones I listed above.

The reason of choosing a role purely to deny it from the mafia seems far too unlikely. Either he has an ulterior motive on top of that, or huge FoS on him.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
January 13 2011 16:18 GMT
#824
Also note, I missed the part where kitamen confirmed he got vig, so that would leave cube, amber and fishball for traitor.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
January 13 2011 16:26 GMT
#825
I got the role I was supposed to get, but it backfired.

I'm a medic, but I have weird head issues.
I may do either of the following:

Paranoid Doctor - Protect the target but also roleblocks them
Naive Doctor - This protection always fails on the target
Weak Doctor - This doctor dies if protecting a player not from their alignment
Bad Doctor - Protect the target but have a 25% chance to kill them as well

So yeah. Not the most helpful role in the game, and afaik no real way to check which one without risking someone's life (I mostly care about mine).
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
January 13 2011 16:36 GMT
#826
Now we move onto LSB. I can't fault him too terribly for not speaking up about gf as well, I didn't get it either and was waiting to see if he spoke up saying he got it before bringing it up, however.

He asked at least once, if not more times for people to claim if they got the roles he had emphasized in red. of those, 2 spoke up, 2 didn't choose their role, 1 didn't get their role, 1 is on a list of possible traitor candidates.

Now, of the two who didn't take their role, both are dead and flipped random wtf roles, day vig and random townie?

Now, in the top 4 players, (4 under our random townie flip jackal) we know he clashed with one of their roles. Vig, CPR, Bulletbill and GF? However, this isn't possible.

#4 on the list is dead and was bulletbill
Jackal was 5 and claimed he tried to get CC
That leaves 3 players alive who are CC

All 3 of those have claimed a role, ie 1 is lying. We have already caught Kenpachi in an act of deception as such he is the far more likely target for the CC role except that I know the gf role was sniped well before it ever got to me.
As such I am more prone to think that kitaman or decon has the CC role, and whichever one of them took it is likely red/sk. I will hold back my lynch vote until either one of them explains their self.




That either means he attempted to get CC and didn't get it, or stupidly aimed for a role that would deff be gone before it got to him (vig/cpr) or aimed for gf? As aiming for gf is unlikely, I would find it far more likely
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
January 13 2011 16:39 GMT
#827
On January 14 2011 01:26 CubEdIn wrote:
I got the role I was supposed to get, but it backfired.

I'm a medic, but I have weird head issues.
I may do either of the following:

Paranoid Doctor - Protect the target but also roleblocks them
Naive Doctor - This protection always fails on the target
Weak Doctor - This doctor dies if protecting a player not from their alignment
Bad Doctor - Protect the target but have a 25% chance to kill them as well

So yeah. Not the most helpful role in the game, and afaik no real way to check which one without risking someone's life (I mostly care about mine).



Unless Ace confirms that the "bad" variant exists you are lying and now my lynch target

##vote cubedin

Quick scan of the OP will tell you the only variants to doctor are normal, paranoid, naive and weak.
As such if ace confirms that he did include the bad variant your off the hook, till then your lying.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
January 13 2011 16:44 GMT
#828
On January 14 2011 01:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Now we move onto LSB. I can't fault him too terribly for not speaking up about gf as well, I didn't get it either and was waiting to see if he spoke up saying he got it before bringing it up, however.

He asked at least once, if not more times for people to claim if they got the roles he had emphasized in red. of those, 2 spoke up, 2 didn't choose their role, 1 didn't get their role, 1 is on a list of possible traitor candidates.

Now, of the two who didn't take their role, both are dead and flipped random wtf roles, day vig and random townie?

Now, in the top 4 players, (4 under our random townie flip jackal) we know he clashed with one of their roles. Vig, CPR, Bulletbill and GF? However, this isn't possible.

#4 on the list is dead and was bulletbill
Jackal was 5 and claimed he tried to get CC
That leaves 3 players alive who are CC

All 3 of those have claimed a role, ie 1 is lying. We have already caught Kenpachi in an act of deception as such he is the far more likely target for the CC role except that I know the gf role was sniped well before it ever got to me.
As such I am more prone to think that kitaman or decon has the CC role, and whichever one of them took it is likely red/sk. I will hold back my lynch vote until either one of them explains their self.



Edited out a thought that I thought I had deleted after realizing jackal claimed he went for CC.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
January 13 2011 17:05 GMT
#829
On January 13 2011 21:39 bumatlarge wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 13 2011 17:06 JimboSilvers wrote:
Wow what the hell do you think you pansies are doing here. I leave, and everyone decides on the brilliant idea of lynching LayOffRage, who claimed vanilla who picked traitor. He claimed to have failed at picking traitor, which no scum in his right mind would do. His lynch was pretty much opposed by nobody, and nobody stepped up to defend him. So he's obviously not scum, and he claimed traitor is above him. Yet you guys decided to lynch him for no other reason than because you thought he was lying. Or you were afraid of lynching a witch. Brilliant.

Its 17 players left and 4 people died last night. If one hit was a JOAT hit, then its another 4 hits tonight + 1 lynch = 12 players left. There are 5 are mafia, 6 if mafia recruited the traitor, which would make it game. If it wasn't a JOAT and there's 2 SKs, then its 5 hits tonight which is even worse. So this is a potential lylo. Even if we correctly lynch today, its 4 mafia left and we have few leads. So priorities for right now are that we need to lynch red, and we need to get rid of questionable KP sources.

deconduo is supposedly the CPR doctor. But besides all the attention he gets from his role, he is nothing but a useless, space wasting, unreliable heap of uselessness.

In his first few posts, deconduo asks a few questions and puts out a couple one liners about LSB's plan. He doesn't offer anything conclusive and doesn't try to put forward any new ideas. A little later on, he quotes Fishball and says:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2011 06:13 deconduo wrote:
Chaos and confusion only benefits mafia.

Doesn't offer any more opinions and doesn't follow up on this comment. He just comes in, pops in a negative statement, and disappears from the thread for an entire day. What is his point? He certainly isn't invested in his opinions.

The next day, he comes back, picks a "random" number, and gets first pick. Other than that, he contributes nothing. Has a panic "crisis" where he claims he didn't get the role he picked. All this time its just one liners. What is he trying to do? Make it look like he is active or something? His vote post is interesting. He lays out the three candidates, lists general reasons to vote for them, but is very wishy-washy and doesn't take a real stand, meandering his way around lynch. He just picks one but doesn't seem convinced about who he's voting for. Right after that, he asks "On a last note, do you guys want me to zap someone tonight, and who do you want me to zap? Don't forget mafia can manipulate the 'zap vote' just as easily as they can manipulate a lynch." That last sentence is just terrible. Why does he need to mention this statement? It seems like he is just giving himself an out when a townie dies.

Next, he pops out of nowhere to accuse Amber[LighT] of OMGUS voting for aidnai. Yet he doesn't like the way aidnai is playing either. So what is it? deconduo isn't putting any thoughts into his post. He's pointing fingers without pointing fingers.

In his next useless post, he says:
Show nested quote +
There has been a few names thrown about the place, but theres no unanimous candidate. Considering that its likely mafia have the CC role, I've been looking at people near the end of the list (for the less powerful roles). While the best suspects are at the top, I don't want to risk losing our JOAT/Vig/BB and giving mafia the role.


Which best suspects? Why didn't you mention these earlier? Why were you so wishy washy in your vote post yet suddenly say that the "best suspects" are at the top? And following this, his next post says he'll random who to hit between Kenpachi, Jackal58, and Fishball. This is suspicious. He doesn't want to be accountable for his choice. And perhaps he even wants to protect one of his mafia buddies by giving a list and picking one at "random".

deconduo's posts bring up more questions than answers. First he is clearly lurkiing the thread. He tries to spread doubt through the town, and uses questionable methods to determine who to zap. He doesn't take responsibility for his actions, and just seems to be flailing around looking for a consensus. A consensus that would allow him to blame his missteps on the town as a whole. As a bonus, deconduo has night KP. Getting rid of that will give us a bit more time and hopefully give us at least another day to find another red.

##Vote Deconduo


I love this guy, I wish I could have told him to pick mason

I've got an idea. The top three can prove themselves. One is a CC, right? They have DayVig then (?Assuming first kill is the first passed?). All they need to do is type:

Kill: bumatlarge

(Yay, I'm not DayVig!)
Or someone else. That way we can know for certain who is what. So deconduo, kitaman and kenpachi, proceed to do this ASAP. If you are not DayVig, it will do nothing. Also, if Dayvig is scum, I'd advise him to use it on someone they consider SK, as I believe it will kill them. There are supposedly 2, as we don't even know if a JOAT is in play, let alone used their ability.

##Vote deconduo


##Kill bumatlarge

Nope, not me. Good idea.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
January 13 2011 17:17 GMT
#830
Meh, I thought I had a chance but obviously not now thanks to bumatlarge. I'm SK, I was going to take CPR like I was supposed to but changed to copy cat at the last second while under the influence of a lot of alcohol. Of course in the morning I had no idea I changed my mind and was totally confused when I got CC instead of CPR. It was only by checking my sent PMs that I vaguely remembered what I did. A lesson to not play mafia while drunk

I was able to use my KP to take out Jackal, hoping there wouldn't be anything in the day post to differentiate between bullets and zaps. I thought I was pretty safe, but I didn't count on someone (bum) to come up with that idea. Oh well.


Also, being first pick as SK is kinda sucky. Theres way too much attention on you.

##Vote Deconduo



I'm gonna be nice and not use the Day Vig shot. Good luck everyone <3
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
January 13 2011 17:23 GMT
#831
On January 14 2011 02:17 deconduo wrote:
Meh, I thought I had a chance but obviously not now thanks to bumatlarge. I'm SK, I was going to take CPR like I was supposed to but changed to copy cat at the last second while under the influence of a lot of alcohol. Of course in the morning I had no idea I changed my mind and was totally confused when I got CC instead of CPR. It was only by checking my sent PMs that I vaguely remembered what I did. A lesson to not play mafia while drunk

I was able to use my KP to take out Jackal, hoping there wouldn't be anything in the day post to differentiate between bullets and zaps. I thought I was pretty safe, but I didn't count on someone (bum) to come up with that idea. Oh well.


Also, being first pick as SK is kinda sucky. Theres way too much attention on you.

##Vote Deconduo



I'm gonna be nice and not use the Day Vig shot. Good luck everyone <3


You could always be helpful and shoot cube for fake claiming -_-
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 13 2011 17:34 GMT
#832
So, BC, you're on the balance team. How likely is it that there are 3 SKs in a game?

Of the 4 KP. I count
1 Mafia.
1 Deconduo SK
2 Unknown
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
January 13 2011 17:34 GMT
#833
/facepalm.

I was hoping to give the Mafia a reason NOT to hit me.
(risk of killing someone -> good for the mafia)

If you find a way to figure out why I would claim that as mafia, then fine, lynch me.

But it's just that medics don't seem to be on-target this game.
I was 90% sure someone would defend BULLET BILL, but no.

So yeah, if you don't lynch me then mafia will surely kill me sooner or later, now that I claimed and they have basically no reason not to hit me.

In fact, fuck it, I'll help you!
##vote Cubedin
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
January 13 2011 17:36 GMT
#834
On January 14 2011 02:34 CubEdIn wrote:
/facepalm.

I was hoping to give the Mafia a reason NOT to hit me.
(risk of killing someone -> good for the mafia)

If you find a way to figure out why I would claim that as mafia, then fine, lynch me.

But it's just that medics don't seem to be on-target this game.
I was 90% sure someone would defend BULLET BILL, but no.

So yeah, if you don't lynch me then mafia will surely kill me sooner or later, now that I claimed and they have basically no reason not to hit me.

In fact, fuck it, I'll help you!
##vote Cubedin


Your on a list of potential traitor candidates, and you fake claim? Fuck your stupid.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
January 13 2011 17:36 GMT
#835
On January 14 2011 02:17 deconduo wrote:
A lesson to not play mafia while drunk

Playing mafia while drunk is sooo bad. Caller did it in Mafia VII and I did it in Mini Mafia I. It didn't turn out well for either of us. Don't drink and scumhunt!
Uff Da
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 13 2011 17:37 GMT
#836
Now that the copycat has been found, we can now
Search for the traitor
kitaman27 (Vig)
Fishball
Amber[Light] (roleblocker)
CubEdIn (doctor)

I propose that Kitaman27 shoots Amber[Light], so if Amber doesn't block it. He dies.
Fair enough? That would knock two people off the list (technically it doesn't knock Kitaman off the list, but I'm getting a green read from him).
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
January 13 2011 17:37 GMT
#837
On January 14 2011 02:34 LSB wrote:
So, BC, you're on the balance team. How likely is it that there are 3 SKs in a game?

Of the 4 KP. I count
1 Mafia.
1 Deconduo SK
2 Unknown



Aces PyP mafia games are balanced differently than most games (and he has never talked to me about balancing this setup), however I doubt there are 3 sk's.

2 possibly, but we know the cpr doctor and joat are not where they are supposed to, so chances are one of those two is still in circulation, and there is a second sk.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 13 2011 17:39 GMT
#838
Wait, so we don't actually have any doctors?
Fishball's not a doctor, CubEIn isn't a doctor....
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
January 13 2011 17:41 GMT
#839
On January 14 2011 02:34 LSB wrote:
So, BC, you're on the balance team. How likely is it that there are 3 SKs in a game?

Of the 4 KP. I count
1 Mafia.
1 Deconduo SK
2 Unknown


JOAT/CPR/Hider

Also, wasn't the Witch supposed to help tonight?
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
January 13 2011 17:41 GMT
#840
On January 14 2011 02:39 LSB wrote:
Wait, so we don't actually have any doctors?
Fishball's not a doctor, CubEIn isn't a doctor....


Cube is fake claiming the part of his role that kills people, but staying with doc overall -_-.

He just fake claimed while being suspected of traitor. I just don't get people sometimes.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
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