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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
January 13 2011 06:02 GMT
#801
On January 13 2011 14:57 Kenpachi wrote:
oh and GodFather was important because
1. No Mafia can fake their role
2. I wanted to steal it from Mafia
3. I usually get lynched.. but owell.


Let me get this straight. You are a town godfather, yet you request the day vig hit, which would prevent you from using your "town" kp after lynch?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 13 2011 06:07 GMT
#802
I response to Aidnai's question about me being godfather I replied
On January 12 2011 08:58 LSB wrote:
I have a very good reason for not saying anything about my role.


I drafted Godfather and flipped Vanilla instead. However I did not say anything

Firstly, it would cause unessisary cofustion for the town
Secondly, it would deny the godfather fakeclaim against DT checks. Once I let loose that the godfather is wild, all mafia will claim godfather once the DT checks them.
Lastly, I suspected some other townie tried to deny the role (because in reality, the godfather isn't that benificial to the mafia), so I kept silent so that I could vertify a godfather claim.


Well that leaves deconduo
Unovte
Vote Deconduo
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 13 2011 06:11 GMT
#803
On January 13 2011 15:07 LSB wrote:
I response to Aidnai's question about me being godfather I replied
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2011 08:58 LSB wrote:
I have a very good reason for not saying anything about my role.


I drafted Godfather and flipped Vanilla instead. However I did not say anything

Firstly, it would cause unessisary cofustion for the town
Secondly, it would deny the godfather fakeclaim against DT checks. Once I let loose that the godfather is wild, all mafia will claim godfather once the DT checks them.
Lastly, I suspected some other townie tried to deny the role (because in reality, the godfather isn't that benificial to the mafia), so I kept silent so that I could vertify a godfather claim.


Well that leaves deconduo
Unovte
Vote Deconduo

Whoops, the second reason didn't comeout right
It denies the godfather fake accusation against dt checks. With the godfather unknown, mafia can claim confirmed townies are the godfather, possibly causing problems lategame.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 13 2011 06:12 GMT
#804
On January 13 2011 15:02 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2011 14:57 Kenpachi wrote:
oh and GodFather was important because
1. No Mafia can fake their role
2. I wanted to steal it from Mafia
3. I usually get lynched.. but owell.


Let me get this straight. You are a town godfather, yet you request the day vig hit, which would prevent you from using your "town" kp after lynch?

Reading the role PMs hasn't really been kenpachi's strong point this game
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
HaploPaithan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States100 Posts
January 13 2011 06:19 GMT
#805
On January 13 2011 15:02 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2011 14:57 Kenpachi wrote:
oh and GodFather was important because
1. No Mafia can fake their role
2. I wanted to steal it from Mafia
3. I usually get lynched.. but owell.


Let me get this straight. You are a town godfather, yet you request the day vig hit, which would prevent you from using your "town" kp after lynch?

In his defense, it day vig did kill him, it would prevent our most likely mafia or SK aligned CC from using the ability on someone that has a better town ability.

Can a town GF do that? That's pretty neat if they can. And after re-reading it, it doesn't say that you can't.

Even with the ability to kill someone that lynched him, I don't think we should be lynching him now. We gain a small amount of info in killing him and then we get to kill one other person, but from a smaller pool of people. Scum keeps some of there players from voting for him, and then we have to choose a player to kill, we could potentially end up killing someone we don't really want to kill. And then if he actually is mafia, he is gonna end up killing a townie(which could potentially be a fair trade).
I think we can get some analysis done during the day and pick a better choice than Kenpachi.

I think its most likely that Deconduo is CC with CPR as another mafia lower on the list. Its probably best to lynch him. Its lets us know how big of a threat CPR really is. As well as most likely killing a scum.
##Vote Deconduo
HaploPaithan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States100 Posts
January 13 2011 06:19 GMT
#806
EBWOP:
##Vote Deconduo
Not sure if it actually matters.
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
January 13 2011 06:23 GMT
#807
On January 13 2011 13:47 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2011 13:36 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Now does the CC get to pick an ability, or does the CC just receive Day Vig?


1. deconduo (possibly cpr)
2. Kenpachi
3. kitaman27 (vig)
4. Barundar (dead)
5. Jackal58 (dead, copy cat is above)

Doesn't look good for the top two. I question deconduo's unwillingness to hit kenpachi, but that may have been a judgment call.

The only reason I would consider sparing kenpachi is if he used his day vig power and hit a mafia.


You could be CC as well, of course :X

And do we know if the kills were reported in the day post in the same order that they were sent in or not?
:3
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
January 13 2011 06:26 GMT
#808
rofl my faith was misplaced nooooooooo!

glhf
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
HaploPaithan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States100 Posts
January 13 2011 06:31 GMT
#809
On January 13 2011 15:07 LSB wrote:
I response to Aidnai's question about me being godfather I replied
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2011 08:58 LSB wrote:
I have a very good reason for not saying anything about my role.


I drafted Godfather and flipped Vanilla instead. However I did not say anything

Firstly, it would cause unessisary cofustion for the town
Secondly, it would deny the godfather fakeclaim against DT checks. Once I let loose that the godfather is wild, all mafia will claim godfather once the DT checks them.
Lastly, I suspected some other townie tried to deny the role (because in reality, the godfather isn't that benificial to the mafia), so I kept silent so that I could vertify a godfather claim.


Well that leaves deconduo
Unovte
Vote Deconduo

It seems kind of convenient for you to be able to say that. The logic behind it isn't wrong, but you could just as easily lie about it after the fact and no one can really argue it.

I don't really have anything concrete on you at the moment, but I do have a general bad feeling about you. While that's certainly not enough to try to lynch you, I will remain wary of you, and suggest that others do the same.
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 13 2011 06:34 GMT
#810
:/

Godfather can only use his KP on someone who voted for him. In this game, voting stops once a majority is reached, so yeah, gonna be pretty hard to convince people to vote for kenpachi at this point. I guess we won't be able to use his KP at all then...

So, with kenpachi out of the hotseat for a lynch, it's time to find a new candidate....

I've been pushing and pushing for some discussion of amber, and have been met with dead silence, so what's up with that? does my analysis suck, or was it just my bad timing? as a reminder, I pointed out a contradiction in the assumptions of two of his posts (they were consecutive). That means he either changed his mind very quickly without explaining at all, or else he didn't really believe the assumptions his posts were based on.

Also, we have several inactives/lurkers that are in danger of violating the 24 rule

Cubedin
Zeks
eiii
Jimbosilvers
BloodyC0bbler

Cubed was more active than the rest, but the latter four have 12, 12, 16, and 17 posts in the thread respectively, including prior to game start. This just ain't enough for us to get any kind of solid read guys, please post more.
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
January 13 2011 07:15 GMT
#811
Sorry, it's kind of hard to get a word in edgewise around here and most of the activity happens while I'm busy during the day :X

And, as was said at the time, your analysis was mostly ignored because it just looked like you were trying to save your own ass.
:3
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
January 13 2011 07:18 GMT
#812
GG all!
Bartundar
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
January 13 2011 07:47 GMT
#813
Myeah I just don't like talking at night.

We have to be very strong about who deconduo is hitting. No more "I'll pick between". If mafia wants to save someone, then they will need to either roleblock you or waste a KP. Either of those is better than not having any control over the kill.

Plus, everyone who did something at night and didn't have any effect/etc. should say something.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
January 13 2011 07:48 GMT
#814
On January 13 2011 16:15 Eiii wrote:
Sorry, it's kind of hard to get a word in edgewise around here and most of the activity happens while I'm busy during the day :X

And, as was said at the time, your analysis was mostly ignored because it just looked like you were trying to save your own ass.


Actually I was out of the hotseat already, Fishball thought it looked bad because of the timing, not because I was already a target.

And you still didn't say anything, not a single opinion about haplo voting deconduo, or kenpachi being godfather, or the night kills, or me wanting more pressure on amber, or the other lurkers... surely if you read the thread enough to immediately notice me calling you out, you will have an opinion about something?

Before I go to bed, and just to put my vote where my mouth is,
##Vote: amber[light]
JimboSilvers
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom167 Posts
January 13 2011 08:06 GMT
#815
Wow what the hell do you think you pansies are doing here. I leave, and everyone decides on the brilliant idea of lynching LayOffRage, who claimed vanilla who picked traitor. He claimed to have failed at picking traitor, which no scum in his right mind would do. His lynch was pretty much opposed by nobody, and nobody stepped up to defend him. So he's obviously not scum, and he claimed traitor is above him. Yet you guys decided to lynch him for no other reason than because you thought he was lying. Or you were afraid of lynching a witch. Brilliant.

Its 17 players left and 4 people died last night. If one hit was a JOAT hit, then its another 4 hits tonight + 1 lynch = 12 players left. There are 5 are mafia, 6 if mafia recruited the traitor, which would make it game. If it wasn't a JOAT and there's 2 SKs, then its 5 hits tonight which is even worse. So this is a potential lylo. Even if we correctly lynch today, its 4 mafia left and we have few leads. So priorities for right now are that we need to lynch red, and we need to get rid of questionable KP sources.

deconduo is supposedly the CPR doctor. But besides all the attention he gets from his role, he is nothing but a useless, space wasting, unreliable heap of uselessness.

In his first few posts, deconduo asks a few questions and puts out a couple one liners about LSB's plan. He doesn't offer anything conclusive and doesn't try to put forward any new ideas. A little later on, he quotes Fishball and says:
On January 08 2011 06:13 deconduo wrote:
Chaos and confusion only benefits mafia.

Doesn't offer any more opinions and doesn't follow up on this comment. He just comes in, pops in a negative statement, and disappears from the thread for an entire day. What is his point? He certainly isn't invested in his opinions.

The next day, he comes back, picks a "random" number, and gets first pick. Other than that, he contributes nothing. Has a panic "crisis" where he claims he didn't get the role he picked. All this time its just one liners. What is he trying to do? Make it look like he is active or something? His vote post is interesting. He lays out the three candidates, lists general reasons to vote for them, but is very wishy-washy and doesn't take a real stand, meandering his way around lynch. He just picks one but doesn't seem convinced about who he's voting for. Right after that, he asks "On a last note, do you guys want me to zap someone tonight, and who do you want me to zap? Don't forget mafia can manipulate the 'zap vote' just as easily as they can manipulate a lynch." That last sentence is just terrible. Why does he need to mention this statement? It seems like he is just giving himself an out when a townie dies.

Next, he pops out of nowhere to accuse Amber[LighT] of OMGUS voting for aidnai. Yet he doesn't like the way aidnai is playing either. So what is it? deconduo isn't putting any thoughts into his post. He's pointing fingers without pointing fingers.

In his next useless post, he says:
There has been a few names thrown about the place, but theres no unanimous candidate. Considering that its likely mafia have the CC role, I've been looking at people near the end of the list (for the less powerful roles). While the best suspects are at the top, I don't want to risk losing our JOAT/Vig/BB and giving mafia the role.


Which best suspects? Why didn't you mention these earlier? Why were you so wishy washy in your vote post yet suddenly say that the "best suspects" are at the top? And following this, his next post says he'll random who to hit between Kenpachi, Jackal58, and Fishball. This is suspicious. He doesn't want to be accountable for his choice. And perhaps he even wants to protect one of his mafia buddies by giving a list and picking one at "random".

deconduo's posts bring up more questions than answers. First he is clearly lurkiing the thread. He tries to spread doubt through the town, and uses questionable methods to determine who to zap. He doesn't take responsibility for his actions, and just seems to be flailing around looking for a consensus. A consensus that would allow him to blame his missteps on the town as a whole. As a bonus, deconduo has night KP. Getting rid of that will give us a bit more time and hopefully give us at least another day to find another red.

##Vote Deconduo
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
January 13 2011 08:09 GMT
#816
On January 13 2011 15:07 LSB wrote:
I response to Aidnai's question about me being godfather I replied
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2011 08:58 LSB wrote:
I have a very good reason for not saying anything about my role.


I drafted Godfather and flipped Vanilla instead. However I did not say anything

Firstly, it would cause unessisary cofustion for the town
Secondly, it would deny the godfather fakeclaim against DT checks. Once I let loose that the godfather is wild, all mafia will claim godfather once the DT checks them.
Lastly, I suspected some other townie tried to deny the role (because in reality, the godfather isn't that benificial to the mafia), so I kept silent so that I could vertify a godfather claim.




That other townie would be me -_- Like you however I flipped vanilla. Here I was holding back waiting to see if you would claim that you got it and nail you on it. The joys of mafia. Now before you ream me for being inactive, I am crashing, will be up in like 6 hours and will catch up on everything then and start posting.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
January 13 2011 10:39 GMT
#817
Sorry, I wasn't able to/won't be able to post a good post until tonight. I did read through the posts though, and I'm down for a deconduo lynch. Analysis has been done already- so voting on the high possibility that he is CC mafia + posting not really helpful.

##Vote deconduo

Whaaaa?
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 13 2011 12:39 GMT
#818
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 13 2011 17:06 JimboSilvers wrote:
Wow what the hell do you think you pansies are doing here. I leave, and everyone decides on the brilliant idea of lynching LayOffRage, who claimed vanilla who picked traitor. He claimed to have failed at picking traitor, which no scum in his right mind would do. His lynch was pretty much opposed by nobody, and nobody stepped up to defend him. So he's obviously not scum, and he claimed traitor is above him. Yet you guys decided to lynch him for no other reason than because you thought he was lying. Or you were afraid of lynching a witch. Brilliant.

Its 17 players left and 4 people died last night. If one hit was a JOAT hit, then its another 4 hits tonight + 1 lynch = 12 players left. There are 5 are mafia, 6 if mafia recruited the traitor, which would make it game. If it wasn't a JOAT and there's 2 SKs, then its 5 hits tonight which is even worse. So this is a potential lylo. Even if we correctly lynch today, its 4 mafia left and we have few leads. So priorities for right now are that we need to lynch red, and we need to get rid of questionable KP sources.

deconduo is supposedly the CPR doctor. But besides all the attention he gets from his role, he is nothing but a useless, space wasting, unreliable heap of uselessness.

In his first few posts, deconduo asks a few questions and puts out a couple one liners about LSB's plan. He doesn't offer anything conclusive and doesn't try to put forward any new ideas. A little later on, he quotes Fishball and says:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2011 06:13 deconduo wrote:
Chaos and confusion only benefits mafia.

Doesn't offer any more opinions and doesn't follow up on this comment. He just comes in, pops in a negative statement, and disappears from the thread for an entire day. What is his point? He certainly isn't invested in his opinions.

The next day, he comes back, picks a "random" number, and gets first pick. Other than that, he contributes nothing. Has a panic "crisis" where he claims he didn't get the role he picked. All this time its just one liners. What is he trying to do? Make it look like he is active or something? His vote post is interesting. He lays out the three candidates, lists general reasons to vote for them, but is very wishy-washy and doesn't take a real stand, meandering his way around lynch. He just picks one but doesn't seem convinced about who he's voting for. Right after that, he asks "On a last note, do you guys want me to zap someone tonight, and who do you want me to zap? Don't forget mafia can manipulate the 'zap vote' just as easily as they can manipulate a lynch." That last sentence is just terrible. Why does he need to mention this statement? It seems like he is just giving himself an out when a townie dies.

Next, he pops out of nowhere to accuse Amber[LighT] of OMGUS voting for aidnai. Yet he doesn't like the way aidnai is playing either. So what is it? deconduo isn't putting any thoughts into his post. He's pointing fingers without pointing fingers.

In his next useless post, he says:
Show nested quote +
There has been a few names thrown about the place, but theres no unanimous candidate. Considering that its likely mafia have the CC role, I've been looking at people near the end of the list (for the less powerful roles). While the best suspects are at the top, I don't want to risk losing our JOAT/Vig/BB and giving mafia the role.


Which best suspects? Why didn't you mention these earlier? Why were you so wishy washy in your vote post yet suddenly say that the "best suspects" are at the top? And following this, his next post says he'll random who to hit between Kenpachi, Jackal58, and Fishball. This is suspicious. He doesn't want to be accountable for his choice. And perhaps he even wants to protect one of his mafia buddies by giving a list and picking one at "random".

deconduo's posts bring up more questions than answers. First he is clearly lurkiing the thread. He tries to spread doubt through the town, and uses questionable methods to determine who to zap. He doesn't take responsibility for his actions, and just seems to be flailing around looking for a consensus. A consensus that would allow him to blame his missteps on the town as a whole. As a bonus, deconduo has night KP. Getting rid of that will give us a bit more time and hopefully give us at least another day to find another red.

##Vote Deconduo


I love this guy, I wish I could have told him to pick mason

I've got an idea. The top three can prove themselves. One is a CC, right? They have DayVig then (?Assuming first kill is the first passed?). All they need to do is type:

Kill: bumatlarge

(Yay, I'm not DayVig!)
Or someone else. That way we can know for certain who is what. So deconduo, kitaman and kenpachi, proceed to do this ASAP. If you are not DayVig, it will do nothing. Also, if Dayvig is scum, I'd advise him to use it on someone they consider SK, as I believe it will kill them. There are supposedly 2, as we don't even know if a JOAT is in play, let alone used their ability.

##Vote deconduo
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
January 13 2011 13:23 GMT
#819
On January 13 2011 14:57 Kenpachi wrote:
oh and GodFather was important because
1. No Mafia can fake their role
2. I wanted to steal it from Mafia
3. I usually get lynched.. but owell.


So for someone who gets a track record of being lynched first you thought it was a good idea to take the Godfather? A role that the copy cat could have gotten?

I applaud you keeping it quiet until a power role was taken out. Now on to LSB who should have reported that he did not receive his role...
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
January 13 2011 13:24 GMT
#820
On January 13 2011 16:48 aidnai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2011 16:15 Eiii wrote:
Sorry, it's kind of hard to get a word in edgewise around here and most of the activity happens while I'm busy during the day :X

And, as was said at the time, your analysis was mostly ignored because it just looked like you were trying to save your own ass.


Actually I was out of the hotseat already, Fishball thought it looked bad because of the timing, not because I was already a target.

And you still didn't say anything, not a single opinion about haplo voting deconduo, or kenpachi being godfather, or the night kills, or me wanting more pressure on amber, or the other lurkers... surely if you read the thread enough to immediately notice me calling you out, you will have an opinion about something?

Before I go to bed, and just to put my vote where my mouth is,
##Vote: amber[light]


Keep voting for me. This strategy is obviously working well.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
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