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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
November 02 2013 00:01 GMT
#761
Please hold day post incoming
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
November 02 2013 00:06 GMT
#762
Day 2


Vanesco the The vanilla townie has been killed

You have 48 hours
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 02 2013 00:06 GMT
#763
Woahhhhhhhhhhhhh weird fucking kill
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 02 2013 00:07 GMT
#764
I was RB'ed.
Vanesco
Profile Joined October 2013
United States105 Posts
November 02 2013 00:08 GMT
#765
GG everybody, will be watching from the sidelines.
OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
November 02 2013 00:08 GMT
#766
Ye I don't even know what to think about this yet.
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
November 02 2013 00:11 GMT
#767
Alas, I really kind of want to sit here now and try to piece this together right now..
But I already made plans to go out for holloween tonight. So I will do it when I get home (Or tomorrow afternoon depending on how drunk I end up by the time I make it back.)
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
November 02 2013 00:11 GMT
#768
Alright, I'm gonna go make dinner. Giving some time for people to make claims if there are any and then come back and post an analysis of the night kill if there are no other claims.
OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
November 02 2013 00:12 GMT
#769
Initial thought before I go though, Is it possible this was a knee-jerk kill for his previous argument?
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
November 02 2013 00:14 GMT
#770
my assumption is that scum went role hunting


gonna read his filter now
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
cakemanofdoom
Profile Joined September 2009
336 Posts
November 02 2013 00:17 GMT
#771
Think the kill makes sense. Van's been extremely towny, and compared to Balla I think van did more scumhunting and less town guiding (or maybe Balla's scumhunting was just less noticeable amidst the town guidance). I'd imagine scumhunting is scarier.

...and Van's last post called me and Jonny scum together. Oh boy.
I think the mafia would have had time to discuss things and avoid a knee-jerk kill. They might have wanted to make a wrong belief of Van's more believable, or they could just be killing a strong town player.
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 02 2013 00:20 GMT
#772
Imo Van almost certainly got killed because scum were trying to bluesnipe. Storr, why did you come to the same conclusion?
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
November 02 2013 00:20 GMT
#773
Public notice

Just so you are aware tomorrow night is daylight savings in the USA that means the clocks go back 1 hour. Deadline remains at 20:00 edt but it may appear an hour later if you are unfortunate enough to not live in the great USA.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 02 2013 00:32 GMT
#774
For the moment though, ##Vote JonnyLaw

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 01 2013 15:08 Vanesco wrote:
I started writing this when the last post was nyx's on page 36, so I apologize if some things are not relevant anymore.

I don't like how you are (nyx) picking at the way that storr has been formatting his opinion. This is the third time he has formatted that way (cake, july, and now you). I and many others have made long posts, does that make us automatically scum?

Anyways nyx, we are trying to currently talk about Jonny and you end up jumping on storr at this moment and redirecting. Could you have waited a bit? (rhetorical question)

On the topic of Jonny, I really did not like his early game at all. He came out with a weak accusation on me (which was a complete grab at something non-existent and I shot down every point he made). He also tags thepoofter at the very end because my thought process agreed with him on one thing. He then says he likes cakeman's posts but only those that address me or poofter. He then says he will get back to me and poofter in a minute and nothing happens.

He then changes the subject on July and E00e. He then says that he is not sold on me but "whatever". That just seems like he doesn't want to push me because many people have commented back on him and he was in the questioning spotlight for a while. He seemed to back of just for the purpose of not being targeted anymore and instead went for 2 lurkers so that he would be safe for a while.

Later Jonny says that he is against lynching odin, but is ok with July/E00e/nyx. Most of those were lurkers at the time but why not Odin. He literally posted nothing up till that point but yet you protect him? Makes no sense.

He has been heavy on poofter since the get-go without ever giving actual reads on why he thinks poofter is scum. Now that I look at it more closely, poofter has been on cakeman's case and just a few posts ago cakeman said he still doesn't like poofter. I see no reason why Jonny has been so heavy on poofter but now I see that poofter was pretty aggressive on cake so maybe he is trying to deflect off of cake and onto poofter.

He makes a post with a "formatting error" and then comes back 30 minutes later that he had JUST caught up when he was in the forums at least 30 min beforehand at least. I just get weird vibes from that.

He then goes on Odin and saying that he was spamming when in fact both of them were arguing and spamming.

Again later he says he will vote poofter if there will be majority. Afraid to vote and be called out again? Seems like now he just wants to blend in.

Later on he agrees that his accusation on my was poor but "at least it got a discussion". Well if it was poor then why were you so hesitant to drop it?

Later on he agrees with cakeman, who he has been the player that poofter didn't like early game. He keeps defending cakeman further saying that we only looked at the bad post on the first page. He also says "Odin coming in throwing out names and then voting cakeman who will not be lynched". He seems fairly confident that cakeman won't be lynched.

Later on he comes out with this post
Show nested quote +
I really wanted to push poofter into posting and see what he said about my post on Van.

That's why I included him at the end of the post. Poofter was always the guy I wanted pressure but I thought doing it by pressuring van could be more effective. He did respond. Then I made my case on him, which I stand by. I do not think I could get poofter lynched day 1 and still do not.

There are so many wrong things its hard to begin. You were pressuring me is basically your way of saying you tried to jump on me, town jumped on you instead and then you backed off. If you wanted to pressure poofter then do that, not somebody else. That is probably one of the most worst ways to ever pressure someone. If you did not think you could lynch poofter day 1 then why go on him with no reads given so far on him in the game. Seems like your waiting for him to tell you things instead of having your own actual reads.

Jonny is also the first one to find that cakeman is listed twice. A strange coincidence to me.

After that he keeps wanting an Odin lynch all the way until this very post. The only thing he has said about Odin is about him his lies of how many times he has read the thread. Those are not even really too relevant to the game. It is probably one of the weakest points you can make on Odin being scummy.

OVERALL:
Jonny is reading super scummy to me. None of his people he has had major reads on which are myself, poofter, and Odin have any good accusations and seem to be reaching. Also it seems like a pattern of Jonny defending cakeman has come up WAY to many times. I would say I think Jonny is a strong scum read for me atm with cakeman as his partner, but I would have to review cakeman's play 1 more time before feeling completely confident in adding him in with Jonny.


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On November 01 2013 03:18 July617 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 03:09 Balla24 wrote:
July, what do you think about Jonnylaw?


He's acting allot like Sagaz did in our last game and Sagaz turned out to be mafia, he's really agro for no apparent reason, attacking nyx mostly in his filter on page 2 and then grasping for straws on page 3 . Suspicious yes, either way whoever dies tonight we'll see what they flip whether they be town / mafia / or blue, I honestly feel like we're going in circles here, I'd like to just lynch and be done with it and see what happens day 2. I don't think we're going to get anything more from today, not unless someone screws up and slips .


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On November 01 2013 14:13 Obzy wrote:
(Note: this is re: July) -
I don't think it's very reasonable to assume that he was naturally going to flip town, as you seem to have known. Similarly, I took issue with the way that you defended him (as referenced in multiple posts that I made), and how you immediately turned on Balla (and myself ^_^ I hate getting yelled at ) after the mislynch - that, theoretically, was not your fault whatsoever - because we had leveled blame at you. Although a bit of my criticism towards you is just because you're sorta being rude to me, that comes across in tone, not in the actual important parts of my posts lol. - -; I think you're objectively scummy at this point, and would like to see your answer to Van's question - Under the assumption that Odin would flip town, which you seem to have suddenly agreed with immediately after the lynch, why would lynching Odin have been a better move than lynching July?


He never answered Van's question, I've been pointing at him for a little while now it seems like, he was Van's scumread, and July posted a minicase on him calling him scummy.
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
November 02 2013 00:35 GMT
#775
Yeah I think he was playing a good town but just wasn't posting as much as Balla who is also playing a great town, I think that was more the reason than blue hunting though both are good reasons for the kill, some of the people he thought were scum looking at his filter are Cake/Jonny are his big reads in his past couple posts, then Nyx for a paragraph in his large Jonny post and then E00e before he started to focus on Jonny/Cake so I am gonna read up on them now
Best Trashcan NA - LoL Summoner. SKT / CLG / Liquid
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
November 02 2013 00:50 GMT
#776
On November 02 2013 09:20 Obzy wrote:
Imo Van almost certainly got killed because scum were trying to bluesnipe. Storr, why did you come to the same conclusion?


I'm actually reconsidering that now as i'm reading vans filter
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
November 02 2013 01:27 GMT
#777
Yeah, after reading the filter i personally didn't feel anything "blue" about him. He read as a strong town that was actively pushing objectives. I'm not advocating we follow his dieing words exactly, but i think its a great start to how we should look to pressure today.

also imo
posting a list of the names, and "town" or "scum" "idk" with out any reasons isn't necessarily good thing. it really doesn't help town and its pretty easy to do as mafia, and kind of "slide" with "lists"

if you are going to give a list, a sentence or two on each person would really be beneficial
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
November 02 2013 01:39 GMT
#778
I def think Jonny is scum after reading his filter after the Vanesco murder



Everything Van said in this post about him is spot on imo http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102&currentpage=36#708

While sounds sheepish of me, I honestly can't add much to that argument since Van made such a good case against him. Since that post that Van made Jonny only made one post

On November 02 2013 06:33 JonnyLaw wrote:
Hey guys, I don't have a lot of time right now but I'll be off work soon. I read through the posts briefly since last night.

Whoever said I was frustrated last night by the July lynch was correct. July's play was transparent and just plain bad. He said whatever he wanted when pressured and his best defense was "fuck off I'm town." Ehh...he didn't come off as stupid so that defense wasn't in line with him being scum. Oh well, what's done is done.

When I get home I'll check the filters again. Particularly intrigued to see when and how people placed their votes. No one has addressed this issue and it's really the best reads we can get from that lynch.

We need look at who joined the July lynch party and when. Examine these facts in relationship to their other posts and we can start to form a picture of the web that got July lynched and we can come up with a better lynch target for day2. If it happens to be me that you decide on after actual fact analysis, so be it. I'll look for myself soon and see what I can come up with here.

In regards to cakeman. I don't know if he's scum or town but since the day 1 pressure that came from a couple shitty posts he's been improving his play and acts as though he's genuinely trying to catch scum. I'll check that filter along with the rest.



In this post he says he was frustrated with the July lynch, if he was frustrated why vote for him? When he started on Julys defense it was when July had 6 votes and it looked like he was going to get the 7th we needed to lynch him any second, I think it would be a good mafia strat to say some guy is innocent when he knows that guy is gonna die then he gets cred later saying he tried to say he was town, if he really thought July was town wouldn't he try to make a good case against someone else and then vote for that person instead of making a half assed case against Odin and then voting for July anyways? Then like Van pointed out he defends and talks about Cakeman again.
Best Trashcan NA - LoL Summoner. SKT / CLG / Liquid
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
November 02 2013 01:42 GMT
#779
@JonnyLaw and @cakemanofdoom looks like you are going to have a lot of pressure put your way, Not looking for you guys to defend yourselves exactly, but i am looking for some good content.

atm jonny, i was leaning more towards you just pushing bad ideas, but still wanting to do good for town. (although your post that july was obviously town seemed a bit bad to me and i called you out on that) as far as your alignment before the night kill happened, i don't think i would have pressured a vote on you.

and cake, i defend you earlier, however I'll need to reread your filter.

@ Vonthin you have 9 and 10 listed with no names.

also again "lists"
@vonthin you list E00e as scummy and @Balla24 you list him as town. could you guys go into more detail why.
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Vonthin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2864 Posts
November 02 2013 01:42 GMT
#780
Only thing preventing me from voting for him is if he was mafia why kill the person who was putting the most heat on him? Wouldn't that make him even more suspicious then he already was before Van died?
Best Trashcan NA - LoL Summoner. SKT / CLG / Liquid
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