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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
October 01 2011 14:39 GMT
#741
On October 01 2011 18:47 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2011 07:06 Kurumi wrote:
Day 2


prplhz the Mute BLU Medic got probed by Soda Popper
Jackal58 the Mute Awkward Cow got slapped by Disciplinary Action


Voting yada yada pms to me yada yada


you guys realize that they shot into our muted players...?

Could this have to do with tnkted PMing everyone to check if they were Mute? Probably not, but if Scum is purposefully going after Mute Players, then they are active in PM-land. I´ve gotten several PMs, most looked were just an excuse to see if I´m Mute or not, and I expect scum to be among those senders.
:3
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
October 01 2011 14:56 GMT
#742
On October 01 2011 23:39 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2011 18:47 supersoft wrote:
On October 01 2011 07:06 Kurumi wrote:
Day 2


prplhz the Mute BLU Medic got probed by Soda Popper
Jackal58 the Mute Awkward Cow got slapped by Disciplinary Action


Voting yada yada pms to me yada yada


you guys realize that they shot into our muted players...?

Could this have to do with tnkted PMing everyone to check if they were Mute? Probably not, but if Scum is purposefully going after Mute Players, then they are active in PM-land. I´ve gotten several PMs, most looked were just an excuse to see if I´m Mute or not, and I expect scum to be among those senders.


why don't you post a list of these players? ;-)
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
October 01 2011 15:06 GMT
#743
On October 01 2011 23:56 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2011 23:39 Forumite wrote:
On October 01 2011 18:47 supersoft wrote:
On October 01 2011 07:06 Kurumi wrote:
Day 2


prplhz the Mute BLU Medic got probed by Soda Popper
Jackal58 the Mute Awkward Cow got slapped by Disciplinary Action


Voting yada yada pms to me yada yada


you guys realize that they shot into our muted players...?

Could this have to do with tnkted PMing everyone to check if they were Mute? Probably not, but if Scum is purposefully going after Mute Players, then they are active in PM-land. I´ve gotten several PMs, most looked were just an excuse to see if I´m Mute or not, and I expect scum to be among those senders.


why don't you post a list of these players? ;-)


Hey supersoft, could you give us any of your thoughts about the people in this game? Just filter yourself for a second and then tell me what you did this game at all?
I mean you posted one liners once in a while so thats already a start but now do the same with actual content and maybe push it to two lines? I know that is a lot to ask , but I believe you can do it!
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
October 01 2011 15:30 GMT
#744
On October 01 2011 23:56 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2011 23:39 Forumite wrote:
On October 01 2011 18:47 supersoft wrote:
On October 01 2011 07:06 Kurumi wrote:
Day 2


prplhz the Mute BLU Medic got probed by Soda Popper
Jackal58 the Mute Awkward Cow got slapped by Disciplinary Action


Voting yada yada pms to me yada yada


you guys realize that they shot into our muted players...?

Could this have to do with tnkted PMing everyone to check if they were Mute? Probably not, but if Scum is purposefully going after Mute Players, then they are active in PM-land. I´ve gotten several PMs, most looked were just an excuse to see if I´m Mute or not, and I expect scum to be among those senders.


why don't you post a list of these players? ;-)

I´ve gotten one-liner PMs with at most a soft FoS in them from a few players, among them are Incognito, WBG and tnkted, naturally. There are a few other players, but I´d prefer not to name them. Both PMs from Incog were asking me to check another player, they were just weak FoS's, didn´t even include any reasoning on why they are scummy, or why I should help him, or if an answer was important enough to break my silence. As a Mute player, getting PMs like that is very frustrating. Of the other PMs, none gave me much information, but as I don´t suspect the players, you know who you are, I´ll say no more for now.
:3
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
October 01 2011 15:51 GMT
#745
On October 02 2011 00:30 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2011 23:56 supersoft wrote:
On October 01 2011 23:39 Forumite wrote:
On October 01 2011 18:47 supersoft wrote:
On October 01 2011 07:06 Kurumi wrote:
Day 2


prplhz the Mute BLU Medic got probed by Soda Popper
Jackal58 the Mute Awkward Cow got slapped by Disciplinary Action


Voting yada yada pms to me yada yada


you guys realize that they shot into our muted players...?

Could this have to do with tnkted PMing everyone to check if they were Mute? Probably not, but if Scum is purposefully going after Mute Players, then they are active in PM-land. I´ve gotten several PMs, most looked were just an excuse to see if I´m Mute or not, and I expect scum to be among those senders.


why don't you post a list of these players? ;-)

I´ve gotten one-liner PMs with at most a soft FoS in them from a few players, among them are Incognito, WBG and tnkted, naturally. There are a few other players, but I´d prefer not to name them. Both PMs from Incog were asking me to check another player, they were just weak FoS's, didn´t even include any reasoning on why they are scummy, or why I should help him, or if an answer was important enough to break my silence. As a Mute player, getting PMs like that is very frustrating. Of the other PMs, none gave me much information, but as I don´t suspect the players, you know who you are, I´ll say no more for now.


You have absolutely no reason to hide the reamaining names. the scumteam has no use for such a list at all.
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
October 01 2011 15:52 GMT
#746
I don't know what is going on in Pm-land
That said, here is what I currently think,
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kill Incognito
The fact that incogs last post was 15 minutes before prplhz got killed I'm 100% sure he's scum.

Suspicious people
wherebugsgo

I have been suspicious at wbg for a long time.
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 30 2011 20:47 risk.nuke wrote:
If I was going to suspect anyone of beeing gf it would be wbg.
Going through his posting, He's definitely trying to create chaos amongst town, and he's agressive enough to think that if he got checked he would come up townie.

Altough he cleaverly never straight out defended Palmar the more I look through his posts the more I think he's scum.
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 29 2011 10:02 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also Jackal, since you think I'm scum why is your vote still on Palmar?

You know, that shitty start of the game vote that you have yet to change, or, hell, even put in the voting thread? Fakevote much?

Don't have any scumreads? Don't intend to contribute?

+ Show Spoiler +
On September 30 2011 02:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
Palmar looks scummy despite alignment so blah. He's made sense this game to me.

Thus, I still prefer Jackal. If anyone knows something I don't please let me know.

He tries to steal the heat from Palmar thinking that after he got a palmar voter to vote for him instead, he could play the suspicious saint and probably get the town on his side leading to the voters eventually voting for someone else.

+ Show Spoiler +
On September 30 2011 04:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
Sounds like you sheeped and didn't look into any of this yourself.

You basically just admitted to voting Palmar solely because of other people's reasons. Did you question those reasons? Why are you so quick to believe them?

If Palmar is scum you're scum too.

He tries to create some other suspicious people based on shit and nothing just to create more chaos and distrust. He's case on Furumite started building when he realised Palmer was going down and he wanted to try and frame someone with it.

The only thing wbg has on his plus side is he has been hammering Incognito which he has been doing since the start. If Incognito flips blue wbg is most likely scum. If he flips red This doesn't rule wbg out (see spoiler), might be a longshot but It wouldn't be the first time.

*This is HYPOTHETICALLY and IF Incognitos flips red + Show Spoiler +
Wbg started of attacking incognito to give the townies the feeling that those two can not possibly be together. Despite actually going on him like a berserker wbg doesn't give any solid arguments for why incognito was mafia. Possibly expecting veterans to ignore it because of the lack of arguments and still giving achieving the goal giving townies the feeeling of distrust between wbg and incognito.
He was probably hoping incognitos last plan would save Incognito, when it backfired wbg realise they have to give incognito up

tnkted
Short time after my post against wbg, he posts this + Show Spoiler +
On September 30 2011 23:28 tnkted wrote:
WBG is town. I bring this information from PM land. Plz don't shoot him.

and this + Show Spoiler +
On September 30 2011 23:34 tnkted wrote:
PM me for questions, back to class


I'm a bit puzzled to why I should let a suspicous person be, and since he asked me to. I pm tnktd and ask him why I should drop wbg. In his reply I got no answer from tnktd. I don't understand why he would not tell me why wbg is not mafia since he seems to know that for certainty. As said earlier the first priority of all townies should be to establish their innocence so why? (it's before the first night is over so roles should be irrelevant. Instead he attempts to swing the conversation into me giving him my scumreads. I don't answer while thinking about what to read out of it and what to reply. Shortly after I get another pm, this time from wbg asking the same thing. Me and wbg haven't had any prior private contact and I get scumchills all up my spine.

Other notes
I don't think Curu is scum but the only person I would consider safe is Mig
The person to pm me before speaking in irc was dropbear.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Nisani201
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1400 Posts
October 01 2011 16:32 GMT
#747
^^^^^^^^

+1, completely agree.

##Vote: incognito
Enjoy your day.
NotChezinu
Profile Joined September 2011
Zimbabwe61 Posts
October 01 2011 16:51 GMT
#748
I will be using MrFluffles to work around the evil hex that was cast on me. So if you get any PMs from him, its from me.

<3 cookies and kitties.
I am not Chezinu. Really. I am no role and all roles at once. Scum and Town. My alignment is unobserved.
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
October 01 2011 17:06 GMT
#749
On October 02 2011 01:51 NotChezinu wrote:
I will be using MrFluffles to work around the evil hex that was cast on me. So if you get any PMs from him, its from me.

<3 cookies and kitties.

What are you talking about? Is this a subtle hint that you just got muted?
:3
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 01 2011 17:10 GMT
#750
New accounts have a PM limit, he keeps hitting the limit with his account so he's using another one.
wat
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
October 01 2011 17:10 GMT
#751
On October 02 2011 02:06 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 01:51 NotChezinu wrote:
I will be using MrFluffles to work around the evil hex that was cast on me. So if you get any PMs from him, its from me.

<3 cookies and kitties.

What are you talking about? Is this a subtle hint that you just got muted?


For the first couple of months you are only allowed to send 10 pms a day on TL
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
October 01 2011 17:11 GMT
#752
On October 02 2011 02:10 Curu wrote:
New accounts have a PM limit, he keeps hitting the limit with his account so he's using another one.


Curuuu. Kill Incog? What do you think
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
October 01 2011 17:28 GMT
#753
On October 02 2011 02:11 Erandorr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 02:10 Curu wrote:
New accounts have a PM limit, he keeps hitting the limit with his account so he's using another one.


Curuuu. Kill Incog? What do you think


You tell me what you think first.
wat
Nisani201
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1400 Posts
October 01 2011 17:40 GMT
#754
inb4 "I asked you first"
Enjoy your day.
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
October 01 2011 18:55 GMT
#755
On October 02 2011 02:40 Nisani201 wrote:
inb4 "I asked you first"


nah I am actually going to answer this , hang on
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
October 01 2011 19:04 GMT
#756
Hey everyone. Glad to be joining this game. I've been following along kinda but will read through the thread more seriously in a few hours.

When is the deadline for day 2?
Cheese is good for you!
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
October 01 2011 19:04 GMT
#757
lol risk.nuke

I don't trust you, thats why I didn't say anything. and you did too get a response from me. You STILL haven't given what I asked for (your scumreads lolsoscummy)

Way to misrepresent. By lying about what happened you have made yourself seem even more scummy to me.

##vote: Incognito so I don't get modkillzor'd
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
October 01 2011 19:05 GMT
#758
On October 02 2011 04:04 Scamp wrote:
Hey everyone. Glad to be joining this game. I've been following along kinda but will read through the thread more seriously in a few hours.

When is the deadline for day 2?

just under 27 hours 00:00 cest tomorrow
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
October 01 2011 19:16 GMT
#759
On October 01 2011 20:08 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2011 06:52 Incognito wrote:
prplhz does not have a pro-town agenda. If you look at all his posts, you will see that besides spreading doubt and fueling irrelevant discussions, prplhz never gives an indication that he is trying to figure stuff out. While he can be categorized as "active", he is just sticking to the sidelines and prodding without actually contributing and does not have a town agenda. This is a highly likely indicator that he is scum.

However, the most important piece of evidence is this post:
On September 30 2011 20:38 prplhz wrote:
~words words words~
i'm posting this now 'cause apparently scum (incog) wants me dead so much that they've resorted to asking random mutes if they want to kill me. i don't see why 'cause i wasn't instrumental in palmar's demise at all.

The bolded part is clearly sarcasm. What prplhz is claiming here is that he was in fact instrumental in Palmar's demise. Is this claim true?

Absolutely not. He does vote for Palmar, who flips red, but he does not contribute to the lynch to the extent he claims. Notice the timing of his posts.

Early in the game, prplhz says
since palmar is locked down for day1 lynch can we talk about who to lynch day2?
. It is fairly obvious that this is a joke post. Two posts later, he votes NotChezinu. 3 posts after that, he says "Palmar is actually scum this time" with no explanation.

After this, there is a lul in the anti-Palmar rhetoric, and prplhz doesn't give an opinion on Palmar until two hours before the lynch ends, when it is clear that Palmar is going to die. This post is the only post in which prplhz gives a substantial opinion on Palmar, and it comes far too late:
On September 30 2011 05:04 prplhz wrote:Also how Palmar just says "Alright, I'm getting lynched, well goodbye folks". That's kinda scummy you know, they don't tend to say a lot after it's apparent that they're gonna get lynched.


prplhz only votes Palmar after it is clear that Palmar is doomed. It is obvious that prplhz's post was not meant to influence people to vote Palmar, but to justify his vote. prplhz does not push Palmar's lynch at ANY time before this point, and doesn't contribute to the discussion when people are trying to figure out if they want to vote for Curu or Palmar. Look at prplhz's 3 posts before the one I just quoted:
On September 29 2011 20:40 prplhz wrote:
On September 29 2011 20:17 Forumite wrote:
Putting it out there, I´d rather see the lynch being between Palmar and Curu than us lynching one either Jackal or WBG.


so you don't care much who gets lynched, you just want to voice your support of a scenario with two bandwagons that you and your scum buddies can hop on to at leisure?

On September 29 2011 21:40 prplhz wrote:
so who do you think is scummier of the two? are any of them scum at all?

On September 29 2011 21:49 prplhz wrote:
i mean scum would love to see the lynch be decided by who is the scummier of two townies, and not who is actually scum. you're just sitting there saying "oh yea bitches, duke it out and we'll lynch one of you!" and i kinda find that very scummy. very scum.


Is he contributing to the lynch? No. First he underhandedly accuses Forumite by suggesting he doesn't care about the lynch. Then he asks Forumite of his opinion on Palmar/Curu and criticizes Forumite for not trying to figure out if Palmar/Curu are scummy townies or scum, while failing to provide any insight himself. It is obvious that prplhz is not trying to bring clarity to the thread, but is rather trying to stir doubt. Yet after the lynch, he claims (using sarcasm) that he was instrumental in Palmar's lynch. This is clearly not true.

prplhz is trying to claim undeserved credit for Palmar's lynch. There is no reason for a townie to do this. Thus, prplhz is mafia.


You know, it's kinda funny how much Incog has been a hypocrite this game.

He hasn't followed his own advice for townies, he accuses prpl for not having a pro-town agenda when his is one of the most anti-town in the game, and continues to spew garbage.

Just look at this "analysis" of prpl. It isn't analysis, it's a wall of fluff.

All game Incog has been insinuating that he's been producing things of value, particularly in his fantastical "PM land." Have any of you seen these supposed things of value? Have any of you seen what Incog has contributed to this town?

I certainly haven't.

Instead, Incog has been acting exactly like the type of player he's targetting; like a scummy lurker.

I'm not being a hypocrite. If you see my play, it obviously has an agenda behind it. Maybe its not the most transparent agenda, but unlike all you guys spamming up the thread and pointing fingers at the same 8 people who keep posting, I'm trying to figure stuff out. If someone can tell me where these players have been and why they are being ignored, please let me know:

sinani
Nisani
risk.nuke
jcarl
erandorr
NotChezinu
Lucidity
Kenpachi
DropBear
supersoft
sevryn

It should be fairly obvious that the mafia the mafia were weak and disorganized day 1, as they couldn't stop the fast Palmar lynch. This means that the mafia are most likely in the pool of less active posters. Take a look at the latest vote count:

Palmar
Curu*
supersoft
Mig*
jcarlsoniv
Erandorr <-- error in vote count
Forumite
Jackal58
prplhz

risk.nuke

Starred players are the ones who instigated the list. Palmar was lynched with relatively few voters, but because the vote was split among so many candidates, it was pretty safe to say that by the 4th or 5th vote, this was a sealed deal (the next highest lynch candidate had 2 votes). Looking at the placement of jackal and prplhz as two confirmed town on the end of the list, I'm going to go out and say that mafia weren't really around for this lynch. It doesn't make sense for mafia to jump on as early as jcarlsoniv, and maybe even Erandorr. Although weaker since jackal/prplhz are town, risk.nuke/Forumite look quite suspicious here. I'll wait for some of my PMs to come back but I'm looking hard at them right now.

Either way, back to wbg's point, even if I've been a hypocrite, how does that make me mafia? He is seriously blowing my scumminess out of proportion. He accuses me of not being openly useful and thus not having a pro-town agenda. It should be fairly obvious that unlike some of the people who are jumping on the easy votes (the votes on wherebugsgo/me), I'm actually trying to dig deeper. Anyone who has been in PM contact with me should be able to tell that I actually am trying to figure stuff out and that I actually care about the town.

My posts are not fluff, they show that I am genuinely contributing to the game. I haven't seen a serious analysis from anyone this game, except for Mig.

Gonna look seriously into the pool of inactives, especialy risk.nuke/Forumite, as I'm not convinced right now that any of the same 8 active posters are mafia.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
October 01 2011 19:26 GMT
#760
lol What a bad post. cmon inkog, you arent town are you?
Your posts are fluff you arent saying shit and you arent reading the thread carefully enough if you're town.

YOU would be the one to divert attention away from the suspects such as yourself.
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