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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
JingleHell wrote: Well, bear in mind that Keirathi will instantly believe ANY half-assed roleclaim, so he probably thinks scum would actually claim red. It's the only thing I can imagine making sense. No. No, no, no, no, no. I mentioned in one of my posts that I didn't want to spoon feed the mafia the game. What I meant was, mafia claiming blue roles would be the easiest way to cause confusion. Since you only needed to get one person lynched to win, it would have probably been worth the risk for one or two of you to fake role claim, even though in doing so, you're painting a big sign on your back. Everyone else seemed to expect the mafia to claim VT, which is the safe thing, but you were in a position where you didn't have the be safe, you just had to get a single lynch. | ||
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BassInSpace
Australia165 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
Actually, I planned to FoS you and drop it until you started attacking me because rofls lurked. I ended up with a huge target on my back. It was just way too late. | ||
marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 03 2012 09:57 Keirathi wrote: Also, I really am curious how the rest of the game would have played out had we actually no-lynched. Maybe people still think its a silly plan, but I *know* it works. Certainly not every time, but obviously lynching doesn't work every time either  It probably still would have been too easy for mafia to get Esspen bandwagoned though. I'm just curious who would have died if we delayed and it that death could have helped town. If you spent half the time actually scumhunting rather than making plans, town would have stood a better chance. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On July 03 2012 10:03 Keirathi wrote: reading through the mafia QT: No. No, no, no, no, no. I mentioned in one of my posts that I didn't want to spoon feed the mafia the game. What I meant was, mafia claiming blue roles would be the easiest way to cause confusion. Since you only needed to get one person lynched to win, it would have probably been worth the risk for one or two of you to fake role claim, even though in doing so, you're painting a big sign on your back. Everyone else seemed to expect the mafia to claim VT, which is the safe thing, but you were in a position where you didn't have the be safe, you just had to get a single lynch. That post was directly related to you actually believing Vivax's roleclaim. The fact that it actually swung so many votes ACTUALLY confused me. Somewhere in the QT, I said something about having trouble keeping it in mind that I was the scum, and not Vivax, just due to his countercase. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
And just in case you didn't watch the last song I linked that I found amusingly appropriate... Here's one dedicated to the town. | ||
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dNa
Germany591 Posts
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dNa
Germany591 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On July 03 2012 10:15 Keirathi wrote: As an aside, is it actually possible for mafia to not kill anyone at night? I never really thought about that, because in every version I've played its not possible. No idea, but it seemed like a good contingency plan at the time. | ||
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dNa
Germany591 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On July 03 2012 10:17 dNa wrote: i can think of no reason whatsoever not to kill anyone at night... maybe to fake a medic safe... but.. that would be some deep game .. That was their plan for it. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On June 28 2012 21:57 Esspen wrote: I'm terribly sorry for lurking, for some reason I thought we could not post during the night (based on what I read here: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Night ), and the day started for me at 2 am when I was already asleep. My defence is that I'm not mafia. And I voted for Hopeless in the end because I've read all BioSC's case against him few minutes before voting and decided to vote for him, and in the worst case that he was townie I would just press against BioSC even more (which I'm going to do as of now). Plus I'm good soul and like saving people. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On July 03 2012 10:17 dNa wrote: i can think of no reason whatsoever not to kill anyone at night... maybe to fake a medic safe... but.. that would be some deep game .. Since Keirathi was pushing no-lynch, if it gained enough traction to do that and roleclaim, I suggested it specifically to fake a medic save and grab some townie cred for a couple of us to keep the confusion up. | ||
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BassInSpace
Australia165 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
Before I forget, thanks to Marv, VE, and bugs for their help coaching! I think this is a great example of a close game that turned into a flawless victory because of a few unfortunate swings early on. The last minute vote swap off the godfather on day one was devestating for town. Had they been sucessful, it really could have been a day two town win. The mafia team switched their hit, mid cycle, off Vivax, who was being protected, to Release, the vigilante. Day two could have again gone either way with the godfather close to a lynch. Prior to sending out the role pms, I sent a pm stressing the importance of activity. Throughout the game, there were too many occasions where the thread would be dead. Avoiding these kinds of situations is the easiest way to improve and it doesn't even require any experience. Here are my thoughts about the town play(mafia will come tomorrow). Each person is pretty brief, so if you want to go into more detail or have any questions feel free to give me a pm. Miltonkram I liked the fact that you showed strong resolve on day two during the Vivax lynch. Even if you were wrong, you still came out looking townie, resulting in a night two hit. You replaced into a tough spot, but were able to contribute right away. The only criticism I would have is that you mention your suspicion on bio on several occassions, but never follow through with a case as promised. It's fine if you want to push Vivax as your main target, but I would suggest either not mentioning bio to begin with or following up with your suspicions after the mislynch at night. Release You came out blazing and encouraged activity early on, which was excellent. I would try to cut down on the one-line spam if possible (though I'm not one to talk -_-). Also, try not to respond to every accusation against you. It's fine if you just ignore minor points. I know you mentioned you were busy, but your reasoning for the day one vote was pretty weak and could have come back to haunt you later on. It's fine if you don't want to shoot night one, but if you have a strong read, don't take it to your grave. Vivax It was good that you were so open with your opinion early on. However, you were a bit indecisive about what direction the lynch should take on day one. Even if you are unsure, its best to make a stand one way or the other. Last minute vote switches are always nasty business, try not to wait until the deadline if possible. Obviously the day two dt claim was a high risk, high reward decision. It's excellent that you didn't go out quietly, however lying as town generally isn't the best course of action. If you were wrong about jingle, you would have essentially thrown the game. Convincing a mob of your innocence after they have already decided you are guilty is one of the hardest tasks to accomplish. The easiest way to overcome this is to avoid the situation completely by playing pro-town on day one. You had good reads for the most part, just try to play less crazy :p dNa You weren't really active enough, which could have really hurt you late game. I'm not sure if you were just too busy or weren't sure what to talk about. You have to try to do more than announce your vote once every 48 hours. Instead, try to push your lynch targets and follow up with suspicions. BassInSpace I actually don't have much to say as I felt you played quite well. The effort you put into your cases seemed to excede everyone else, which helped you look town. Now you just have to work on convincing others. Swinging a day one godfather lynch could have won you the game if you were more vocal. The no-lynch plan on day three was pretty silly (see post below). Keirathi Not voting on day one is pretty harmful to town. Not only does it mean one less town aligned vote in the lynch, it also prevents others from getting a good read on you. More posting on day one definitely would have helped. Your logic was pretty sound throughout the game and you were one of the easiest players to follow. The biggest problem was that you only pushed one target the entire game. The no-lynch plan that you pushed on day three doesn't work in a game that isn't majority lynch. If the entire town votes for no lynch, the three mafia players swap to a player at the deadline and its GG. Hopeless1der Obviously getting lynched d1 is not the prefered outcome. Discussing policy is fine, as long as you follow up with other substance early on. I find myself often posting thoughts on the setup or thoughts on policy and always getting in trouble for it. While you may feel the direction is helping the town, others will see it as an attempt to contribute without providing much substance. This is why it is important to share your reads early and apply pressure on other players. Your play wasn't all that bad, but you got caught up in a early bandwagon that you weren't able to overcome. NrGmonk You weren't active enough to have much of an impact on the game. Your explanation of your vote on Keirathi is something that the mafia team could have easily jumped on if they had chosen to do so. When there is a close lynch between two players on day one, as a townie, you should want to be the one who decides who dies, rather than post a throwaway vote elsewhere. Your activity was much better on day three, but that can look quite bad to other players who may see this as a mafia player who is suddenly interested in securing the mislynch on the final day. Getting distracted by "scummy townies" is tough to overcome. The only thing I would suggest is to try applying pressure to other players on days where only 1-2 people are the center of focus. It may open up new options if they respond poorly. Esspen Another player with activity issues. On day one, you mention that lynching lurkers should be the priority, yet make no effort to actually remove yourself from this category. Voting for yourself is one of the worst things you can do in a game. I'm glad you chose to make a decision on day one, even if it was wrong. When you are the swing vote for a lynch you have to valid reasoning for your vote. Also, try not to wait until the last few minutes of a cycle to make a decision. If jingle were to ever flip, he was likely to take you down with him. Your flip flopping on day two was quite strange. It's tough for other players to understand what you are thinking if you aren't more open with your opinion. Day three you threw in the towel when the game was on the line. That is unacceptable play. Your medic choices were pretty good. You nearly pulled off a save on day one and you did a good job surviving until endgame as a powerrole. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
 I just wanted to establish a thread presence to get some credit to disassociate from rofls. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On July 03 2012 10:15 Keirathi wrote: As an aside, is it actually possible for mafia to not kill anyone at night? I never really thought about that, because in every version I've played its not possible. Yes. It's been done before to preserve a 3 vs 1 vote. But the town turned around and no lynched and the host forced the mafia to use their hit the next night. I don't remember the game where that happened. It was also done in a game with a 3rd party to help the town win instead of the SK. That was PYP3. | ||
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BioSC
United States636 Posts
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