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Wysp
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Canada2299 Posts
July 27 2008 04:28 GMT
#6761
I have one life let.
an overdeveloped sense of self preservation
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
July 27 2008 04:28 GMT
#6762
Breaking free temporarily from the land of the silenced to say that Chuiu has a poetic soul. :p
Think. :)
Wysp
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Canada2299 Posts
July 27 2008 04:33 GMT
#6763
I've honestly forgotten all the clues, someone refresh me on current leads. For unclue related reasons we have to hang ahrara_, and if ahrara is red also hang romance.us. Unless there is compelling evidence from the clues, then they can be delayed. I really don't know if I'll have time to analyze the clues and catch-up on them, but, I'll try if no one has done any good work next time I check and if I have the leisure available.
an overdeveloped sense of self preservation
BuGzlToOnl
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5918 Posts
July 27 2008 21:33 GMT
#6764
Ooohhh, I thought I was going to make it to the end of the game.
If you want to make God laugh, tell Him your plans.
Lysithea
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden204 Posts
July 27 2008 23:07 GMT
#6765
For people like me that lost track of this game halfway through somewhere with a ridicolous postcount/day.

On July 22 2008 09:01 Bill307 wrote:
IMPORTANT PREVIOUS POSTS (in chronological order)
  • outdated analysis of non-Mandalor profiles
  • clue analysis showing that iNfuNdiBuLuM = Mr. Blonde (95%+ certainty)
  • all Mr. Orange clues
  • linking KF91 = Mr. Orange, part 1
  • linking KF91 = Mr. Orange, part 2
  • linking KF91 = Mr. Orange, part 3
  • linking KF91 = Mr. Orange, part 4 (95%+ certainty after this post)
  • all Mr. Blue clues
  • voting patterns for Mr. Blue suspects
  • clue analysis showing that jtan = Mr. Blue (95%+ certainty)


Who to vote for in the next two days
If all goes according to plan:
Day 21: vote for jtan
Day 22: vote for KF91

Reasoning: don't want jtan to try to argue his way out again.

If Mr. Blonde and Mr. Orange are still alive, and Mr. Blue is dead, then:
Day 21: vote for KF91
Day 22: vote for HotZhot


In the very unlikely case that we are wrong
jtan and HotZhot are the top suspects. They are on the non-Mandalor list -- the list of people containing the remaining two mafia. Furthermore, they are among the 7 who voted for nemy on Day 18:

jtan (on non-Mandalor list)
hotzhot (on non-Mandalor list)
kf91 (on non-Mandalor list)
infinity21 (dead)
siz.fantasy (dead)
ahrara_ (on Mandalor list: proven innocent by iNfuNdiBuLuM's guilt)
iNfuNdiBuLuM (confirmed mafia)

Lynching KF91, jtan, and HotZhot should almost certainly win the game.



+ Show Spoiler [Sorted list of currently alive players…] +

2. SoMuchBetter
3. Eti307
4. HotZhot
7. Dr.Dragoon
8. CDRdude
16. Puosu
38. KF91
39. Romance_us
43. NatsuTerran
47. Kuja900
50. Artanis[Xp]
58. Lysithea
64. KorvspaD
72. Ziel
82. Ninja4ever.
85. ahrara_
93. spoinka
101. RowdierBob
105. Wysp
113. DTDominion


People confirmed town through various lists from this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=6670&topic_id=67925

+ Show Spoiler +
qrs
ahrara_
Lysithea
Ninja4ever.
Romance_us
NatsuTerran

iNfuNdiBuLuM
SoMuchBetter

0/7


HotZhot
Dr.Dragoon
CDRdude
Puosu
KF91
Kuja900
KorvspaD
Ziel
jtan
RowdierBob
DTDominion
BuGzlToOnl

2/11


sorting the list with the currently alive people we get

ahrara_
Lysithea
Ninja4ever.
Romance_us
NatsuTerran
SoMuchBetter
Eti307
Artanis
Spoinka
Wysp


2 of these are mafia:
CDRdude (how did we confirm this again? someone please link to post describing why)
HotZhot
Dr.Dragoon
Puosu
KF91
Kuja900
KorvspaD
Ziel
RowdierBob
DTDominion

Who I'll vote for in the next two days

Day 22: vote for KF91
Day 23: vote for HotZhot
"Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee." - Muhammad Ali
Lysithea
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden204 Posts
July 27 2008 23:14 GMT
#6766
Keep in mind that the clues pointing at jtan being Mr Blue turned out to be wrong. One of his last posts:

On July 22 2008 12:35 jtan wrote:
ok, all jokes aside

you wont take anything I say seriously at this point, but please read this when I'm confirmed innocent by either confirmation of mr Blue's death or by my own death.

I'm going to bed now and the day might be up soon

It is almost certainly going to show that mr Blue is dead, which means he cannot possibly be me however many clues you think you have. Then just make sure you vote KF91 and Hotzhot.

If mr blue is by some magic alive or chuiu bitches with me and don't write the mafias akas day 21, I can't really do anything, I will be lynched. Just make sure KF91 and Hotzhot dies after me. pm people etc.

The case against KF91 as orange is already strong

Case against Hotzhot as blonde, by nemY, page 320:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 01 2008 15:03 nemY wrote:
-Mr. Blond
+ Show Spoiler +
Day 1
He jumped through the opening towards the door and was almost home free when he was cut off by Mr. Blonde, coming out of nowhere it seemed. He rammed into DapperDan knocking him to the ground. King Brown Snake stepped up to him as DapperDan started getting up. He met him face to face halfway and pushed King Brown Snake out of the way as he proceeded to the door again. He almost made it out until finally someone pumped DapperDan's back full of lead

-displays superhuman speed
-rammed into his target
-possibly? Killed target.

Day 2
Evening seemed to drag on forever as everyone worried over the turn of events the town faced. But when night finally came, the red moon stared them back in the face like a terrifying omen. Nobody knew how or when the mafia would strike, or what their real intentions were if any, but a few were up late losing sleep over it. Over at casa Mynock he was frying himself a late night snack and watching a rerun of the news from earlier that night. He turned around to get something from his fridge when he noticed the lights out in his living room. With great care he crept into the room and searched for the lamp. It was moved onto the table in the center of the room. He switched it on to reveal the man known as Mr. Blonde. Mr. Blonde had braced himself on the ceiling and swooped down from above diving straight into Mynock. As they fell to the ground Mynock struggled to get away, he bashed Mr. Blonde in the face with his elbow as he turned to the right and climbed up only to meet gaze with Mr. Brown. They traded glares and Mynock dodged to the left and headed up his stairs not clearly deciphering the yells that came from behind him or caring. He tried to find the shotgun he had stashed in his closet but only found a smiley in its place. He panicked as he realized his only line of defense against two men was gone and he just about surrendered as Mr. Blonde appeared in the room with the shotgun, Mr. Brown just behind him. He dived toward Mr. Blonde in effort to tackle him but Mynock's attack was cut short as he ate a mouthful of buckshot.
-came down from ceiling
-was bashed in the face by target
-target went to look for his shotgun but found only a smiley “” face in it’s place
-eliminates target with shotgun before target could reach him


Day 5
Mr. Blonde and Mr. White got out of their car, the rest of their hit squad parked on the other side of the building. They had arrived at an office building where they noticed a group of people always worked late. Sure enough there were some cars parked around them. "When is d.arkive supposed to do it?" asked Mr. White, as he leaned against the car and stared at the building in expectation. "I don't know, they just said to wait for their signal" responded Mr. Blonde as he walked a bit closer to the building to get a better look. He could see d.arkive running through some corridors looking for someone, anyone. He found Hittegods. d.arkive ran towards Hittegods as he was examining some photos and hit a button. An explosion ripped apart nearly half of the building and it sent everyone outside ducking for cover as debris flew all over. "Holy shit! I guess we're supposed to go in and find the rest of them now?" said Mr. Blonde after dodging what was left of a door that flew at him. "I don't think we have to" said Mr. White as he pointed at some people getting out of the good half of what was left of the building.

They decided on the first person they saw, xDark.Carnivalx. Mr. Blonde jetted towards him and knocked him to the ground with a punch square in the jaw. xDark.Carnivalx was dazed and still disoriented and shocked from the explosion, but he managed to stumble to his feet only to get kicked down again. The adrenaline was rushing but xDark.Carnivalx was getting frustrated, he looked around for something to use as a weapon and found a shattered pipe. He grabbed it and swung at Mr. Blonde, forcing him to back off and provide time for xDark.Carnivalx to get off the ground. But just as soon as he did Mr. White smashed another pipe laying around in the back of xDark.Carnivalx's head. Another couple blows and xDark.Carnivalx was dead.

-can talk
-dodges the remains of a flying door
-“jets” to his target, again with the super speed
-soundly hits his target twice (one punch, one kick)
-retreats when his target wields a weapon


Day 7
G.s)NarutO was doing monk things in his monk place with his monk friends when he decided it was late and he wanted to go to sleep. On the way to his room he encountered Mr. Blonde. Mr. Blonde mocked G.s)NarutO for his failed attempts at helping the town and then pulled out a gun to kill him. G.s)NarutO wasn't ready to give up on life completely though and thought he could redeem himself by taking out this man for the town. He charged towards Mr. Blonde and tried to grab his gun but Mr. Blonde was a bit faster to respond and shot him twice in the leg. He finished it by shooting G.s)NarutO in the head and made his escape through a window before getting caught by a horde of monks.

-mocks his target for his failures
-wields a gun
-again with the speed, he dodges his target’s attack and injures his target
-eliminates his target with a gunshot to the head


Day 9

Mr. Blonde and Cottonmouth were at AmorVincitOmnia's convenience store right before closing. They wanted everyones attention right away so Mr. Blonde charged through the front door, a move that shattered all the windows. Inside AmorVincitOmnia was cashing Alventenie's purchase and they both immediately looked at Mr. Blonde shocked at what just happened. Both Mr. Blonde and Cottonmouth ran towards them and stabbed each of them through the shoulders with a knife. Mr. Blonde had AmorVincitOmnia pinned up against a wall and Cottonmouth had Alventenie on another. AmorVincitOmnia pushed and shoved and tried to get free but Mr. Blonde stabbed three more knives into each arm and three into each leg. Then to finish him off he stabbed two more into AmorVincitOmnia's chest. Alventenie already exhausted from the day he had put up little resistance as Cottonmouth stabbed three knives in his other arm and each leg. Then stabbed five more in the shape of a pentagon and finally killed off Alventenie.

-charges through the front door, which ends up shattering all the nearby/surrounding windows (assuming this is a convenience store with many windows)
-stabs his target with 15 knifes, 3 in each arm, 3 in each leg, 2 in the chest, and 1 in the original location where he first stabbed his target (3x4)+2+1 = 15
-does not match Cottonmouth’s killing pattern (aside from the 15 knifes, Cottonmouth went 1 in the shoulder, 3 in one arm, 3 in both legs (which is 1+(3x3) = 10), and finished his target with 5 (in the shape of a pentagram) in his target’s chest (15 knifes total)


Day 13
Losing two members that day the mafia decided to pull all the stops and hit the town where it mattered. They were through messing around and Mr. Orange, Eddie, and Mr. Blonde were about to prove that by taking out Fanatacist and Ace once and for all. Ace and Fanatacist were sitting at a desk going over detective files trying to find the remaining few mafia when the three barged into the room. Ace quickly grabbed the phone to call for backup but it was too late as Mr. Orange had landed a dagger right on the phone line cutting him off. Mr. Blonde shot across the room and grabbed all the notes dumping them into a trash bin nearby. He lit a match and set the whole thing on fire hoping this was the last copy the town had to go off. Mr. Orange, Mr. Blonde and Eddie all got out pistols and fired round after round at Ace and Fanatacist who were helpless to stop them. Eddie went up to Ace and he was terrified as Eddie finished him off but firing one last round into his head.

-again with the speed, Mr. Blonde “shoots” across the room
-burns the town’s notes
-pulls out a pistol and finishes the two targets with the combined help from Eddie, and Mr. Orange


Day 15]
Cottonmouth organized a strike force of mafia to take on a few troublesome townies who had the tendency to keep watches at night. With three mafia it would be sufficient enough to take on three regular joes. So he, along with the Wolf and Mr. Blonde, went to Jimtudor's house and broke in. This automatically set off their home made alarm system and the mafia squelched it right after but the damage was done and they were alerted to mafia presence. Supah, Alethios, and Jimtudor got ready with their handmade weapons, aware that most of the time Mafia did not carry weapons favoring to kill without alerting the neighborhood to their presence. Cottonmouth expecting more trouble went back to his car and handed five plumbata's to each of his comrades. Prepared for the fight to come they burst through the basement door and each threw one at their targets. Two missed and one hit a garbage can lid that Supah was using as a shield. The townies made their counter attack, the stairs leading down to the basement collapsed and the mafia came crashing down hard stunning and injuring them. Not enough though as they were able to ward off the crude melee weapons the town had fashioned from a yard rake, a baseball bat, and a broken chain. Mr. Blonde was able to grab a hold of the yard rake Supah was using and kicked it to break it in half, the Wolf grabbed hold of the chain and pulled it out of Jimtudor's hand then flung it to the side and tossed one of his remaining darts in his shoulder, and Cottonmouth deflected Alethios baseball bat and stabbed him in the foot with a dart. Mr. Blonde threw two plumbata's at Supah and then used the broken off rake handle and stabbed him with it, he then finished off Supah by stabbing a dart into his face. The Wolf lunged for the chain and wrapped it around Jimtudor's leg, then he pulled hard and caused him to fall to the ground. Cottonmouth finished off Alethios by stabbing the rest of the darts into his chest. And the three ganged up on Jimtudor and plunged their remaining darts into his face.

-trips the alarm system (well all 3 of them do)
-throws a plumbata but misses all 3 of the targets
-grabs hold of the yard rake his target was using and breaks it in half by kicking it (possibly requiring some speed/force/strength to do this, it’s hard to recreate an accurate visual in my mind of this scene)
-distracts his target by throwing two plumbata’s into at his target and then uses the broken yard rake to stab his target
-finishes his target by stabbing him in the face with a plumbata
-assists his other two mafia members in eliminating the final target when they all stab the remaining darts into the target’s face


Day 17
In the dark shed in ShaLLoW[baY]'s backyard Mr. Blonde gleefully waiting in silence clutching his weapon. ShaLLoW[baY] made his way to the shed slowly inspecting his petunias after the storm had passed. He was shocked to say the least when he opened the door. Mr. Blonde swatting ShaLLoW[baY] with the front end of the yard tool causing him to stumble backward into a trap Mr. Blonde had set of several nails on the ground. Having punctured his foot on a rather rusty one ShaLLoW[baY] began hopping frantically trying to pry the devil from his foot as he screamed in pain. Mr. Blonde used this opportunity to maneuver himself behind his victim and he killed ShaLLoW[baY] in one swift vengeful blow by shoving the rake up his ass.

-“gleefully” waits for his target with his weapon
-sets a trap for his target
-smacks his target with a yard rake causing his target to fall back onto some rusty nails (the trap)
-eliminates his target by raping him with the rake
-kills his target with a “swift vengeful blow” (rape raking), again with the speed and power



My suspect for Mr. Blonde = HotZhot

Why? For a number of reasons

-claims to have known who the true Mr. Blonde is, but has revealed 0 relevant information
-his profile picture comes from an anime, most notably a hentai that GranDim found out on page 184

Show nested quote +
On April 04 2008 12:37 GranDim wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [The Wolf] +
The Wolf and Taipan Snake had followed his near suicidal jump and were on him quick. Taipan Snake automatically knocked him to the ground and proceeded to kick him, being unarmed at the time. The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" as he pulled out a gun and made his mark on Chuiu's head.

The Wolf interrupted him. "You just need to hit the right spot" he said as he threw the nail down the hallway, it landed square in the back of New104's head and he convulsed as he dropped to the ground, dying less then a minute later.
Traits
- One shot kill
- targets the head

HotZhot is my primary suspect here. Notably because he has such good aim and whatnot. However, i am hesitant to convict him at this stage because of this;
[image loading]

His profile image looks like a wolf person - this means (imo) that he cannot be the character "The Wolf" with such a strong connection to the name. Up to the town i guess!

More on the picture
Its a crop from this wallpaper
[image loading]
The character is from a hentai series http://www.animenfo.com/animetitle,1524,rfykgv,maho_shojo_ai.html (work safe link). However I doubt this has much relevance, unless chuiu is heavily into anime wallpapers or hentai he couldn't have made that link.


most specifically if you read the link you'll notice this,
Show nested quote +
Yuragi noticed Akitoshi and began to attack him. Then, the fighter, Ai, appeared and cut them down.


the fighter comes out of nowhere and eliminates the target, this I feel bodes well with the whole theme of Mr. Blonde displaying superhuman speed.

-his name, HotZhot which can be interpreted to mean "Hot Shot" fits well with the Day 7 and 9 killings, why? Because people who are "Hot Shots" are generally stuck up and full of themselves
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


consider that with Mr. Blonde's mocking of Naruto and his desire to "get everyone's attention in the double murder or Amor and Alvientene"

-the "i only smile in the dark" connects well with Day 2's killing of Mynock and Day 17's killing of Shallow[bay] (gleefully --> smiling in the dark)

-the raping of shallow[bay] connects very well with the overall hentai theme of his profile picture ;/


Flaws

Looking back on it, the smiley face in Day 2 was almost certainly Clazzaquai's doing, his profile quote was something like "me from kirbati, no speak english^^';"
As most everyone on here knows, "^^;" is a korean/anime face for smiling =/

Conclusion

Regardless how you guys feel about this, I think it's safe to say the mirror theory is flawed. Mr. Blonde has yet to directly mirror anyone's actions. I'm still working on a few other viable leads =/



HotZhots voting record ( --- =abstain or no vote)
+ Show Spoiler +

1.---
2.---
3.---
4.---
5.Siefu/EvilMonkey
6.---
7.L/ulzz
8.generalstan
9.DamageControl/Rowdierbob
10.---
11.---
12.--- (said "why is people voting for randombum" in vote thread)
13.--- (said "missed the last vote" in this vote thread even though he posted in prev. thread...a little weird)
14.Bockit
15.---
16.---
17.Somuchbetter
18.nemY
19.Bugztooni
20.---

Participated in some of the votes against mafia, but otherwise voted green (as far as we know now)

"Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee." - Muhammad Ali
Lysithea
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden204 Posts
July 27 2008 23:20 GMT
#6767
just for the record, if one of them turns green, I'm gonna be completely lost. Time to check those clues in that case. However, with my last three posts I'm probably dead by night or the night after seeing how mafia targets anyone who post anything that could help town. Hooray for acting sacrificial lamb!
"Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee." - Muhammad Ali
CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
July 27 2008 23:29 GMT
#6768
On July 28 2008 08:07 Lysithea wrote:
CDRdude (how did we confirm this again? someone please link to post describing why)

I'm not positive, but I think I was confirmed innocent by the Mandalor list: A detective found out how many mafia voted to lynch Mandalor, and all the mafia on that list were lynched, so only innocents remain. I think. I'll try to look it up.
Force staff is the best item in the game.
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
July 29 2008 09:06 GMT
#6769
On July 28 2008 06:33 BuGzlToOnl wrote:
Ooohhh, I thought I was going to make it to the end of the game.


Even in death we are inseparable, yes?
MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
July 29 2008 20:19 GMT
#6770
Sorry @jtan as it was me who first accused you with the blue=lurker connection
LiquipediaOne eye to kill. Two eyes to live.
Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
July 30 2008 02:05 GMT
#6771
[image loading]
[noClueArea]
In a rare stroke of brilliance the town lynches a mafia (sarcasm). Eh, KF91?

Everyone who has a special role and chooses to use it please send it to me via PM. Mafia this includes you!
♞
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
July 30 2008 02:23 GMT
#6772
It is down to one mafia, town you cannot fuck this up!
Showtime!
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-30 02:27:33
July 30 2008 02:27 GMT
#6773
Oh yes they can nemY! >;O
Mini skirt season is right around the corner. ☻
aZnvaLiaNce
Profile Joined June 2007
United States942 Posts
July 30 2008 02:45 GMT
#6774
YES YES YES FUCKING YES DO IT FUCK THAT LAST MAFIA IN HIS ASSHOLE
Isnt that worth fighting for? Isnt that worth dying for? - Morpheus
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
July 30 2008 03:00 GMT
#6775
LETS GET THIS OVER WITH FOR GODS SAKE!!!!!!!
Teamliquidian townie
ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
July 30 2008 03:19 GMT
#6776
Are there any other suspects? As much as I hate to admit it, I've been cleared of being mafia by any and logically sound means. I think most people agree that I'm innocent. The only person accusing me is Wysp. He's disregarded the logical evidence that I'm green. Now I don't want to start a bandwagon, but could someone who's been following the game let me in on what evidence we have that Wysp is really a veteran? I suspect he is trying to get me killed to sabotage the game.

Now I can understand why someone would think I'm mafia from my past behavior (which was in jest), but Wysp has never bothered to respond to the arguments others have made that I'm innocent. He just keeps posting "Hang Ahrara". He even said "for unclue related reasons" we should hang me.

I AM NOT TRYING TO BANDWAGON WYSP. I don't want ppl to vote for him... I frankyl haven't been followign close enough to see if the evidence matches him. But those of you who have can use it as a starting point, since it is obvious I'm green.

If you guys bandwagon me, tbh I don't really care. I'm not going to defend myself. The evidence that I'm green is already there, and is very firm.
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-30 04:20:52
July 30 2008 04:18 GMT
#6777
The aweesomeness of lynching the 2nd-last mafia is soured by the fact that only 5 people voted on Day 22, and one of them was KF91 himself. :S

Come on, town! Ace, Plexa, and so many others have spent a lot of time to put the town into a winning position! Don't let your deceased brethren down!
Eti307
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Canada3442 Posts
July 30 2008 05:12 GMT
#6778
I voted! So who's our next big target? HotZhot?
Meta
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States6225 Posts
July 30 2008 05:14 GMT
#6779
Sometimes I wonder if it all was really worth it. Sure, there were 20 mafia amongst are 130 something brethren at the start, but was killing them really worth all this death? How will we pick up the pieces in the future with so few alive, and so few, still, active? This disaster that has struck our town, so much death, will we ever be able to move on? Over the course of three short weeks our numbers have dwindled so low, that if we win, will we really be winning?
good vibes only
araav
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Armenia1590 Posts
July 30 2008 05:37 GMT
#6780
lol nice, one last to go!
The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all.
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