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On July 19 2012 08:18 Hapahauli wrote:
Well in the mafia XX game, it was explicitly mentioned when a player (Khorrus) was modkilled, so it seems like a mafia kill.
Evul was pretty quiet all game, so maybe Mafia was trying to kill a blue?
Regardless, I'm happy to be alive, and let's make this day of discussion better than the last.
Isn't it possible he was shot by vigi, and the mafia NK was saved?.. like by a medic I mean.
Nvm I guess that's sort of unlikely since no one has claimed blue so no one would be an obvious person for the medic to protect.
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On July 19 2012 08:10 JingleHell wrote:
Was Evulrabbitz a modkill or an NK, just for clarification, since he was talking about getting replaced?
EvulRabbitz was not modkilled.
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Ok, so, since we can assume the scum don't have the town's best interest at heart, can we spot a plausible reason for Evul to be killed? I can think of three.
1: he pointed at Calgar at one point. This follows on my interest in Calgar, admittedly.
2: They don't want a person they know as townie to potentially get BOTD after a replacement.
3: Failed Blue hunt.
Can anyone think of another reason?
Now obviously, we could have something screwy involving a vigi and a blocked NK going on, but I can't imagine a vigi thinking Evul was the best target right now.
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Evul was an interesting choice... I suspected Hapha to be targeted by scums. Or calgar, if he is town. But I suspect that he is a scum.
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When Evul asked for a replacement, there was no hint of him being a power role. There are two possible explanations for this:
1. Scums didn't read that Evul is replacing out. (Not likely that all three or four missed this)
2. Some of scums really did not want speedbumps, who was going to replace Evul, to contribute to scumhunting
There is a third explanation, but I do not want to disclose that right now.
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Also, it would be interesting for people who were roleblocked to claim roleblocked.
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YourHarry: It's day, we need to scumhunt. Concealing a hypothesis like that just sounds suspicious.
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And claiming roleblocks would also be claiming power roles, wouldn't it?
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What townie would be trying to get people to admit to being roleblocked, when scum would just lie about it?
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On July 19 2012 08:57 YourHarry wrote:
Also, it would be interesting for people who were roleblocked to claim roleblocked.
Are you saying we should tell the mafia who our blues are already?
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On July 19 2012 08:57 JingleHell wrote:
YourHarry: It's day, we need to scumhunt. Concealing a hypothesis like that just sounds suspicious.
It may sound stupid later when I do reveal it, but I have a reason for not wanting to disclose it. I will bring it up in next 8 hours or so.
And what I am about to do may make me look like I am jumping on calgar bandwagon that you started, but too bad. I am about to jump on it. Full throttle.
First, I need to defend against calgar's accusation of me.
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On July 19 2012 08:59 drwiggl3s wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 08:57 YourHarry wrote:
Also, it would be interesting for people who were roleblocked to claim roleblocked. Are you saying we should tell the mafia who our blues are already?
Vanilla townies also get roleblocked. So do scums 
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BTW, drwiggl3s, if you were roleblocked, don't claim 
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They would know you were power role.
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alright Jingle. you’re a bull in the china shop; an elephant tip-toeing over the piano Keys. i knew; what can i say – you’re like arguing with a brick wall.
Your case is weak right now but I’ll grant you a reply.
On July 19 2012 07:57 JingleHell wrote: If Perfection is scum, the calling for a vigi hit was an attempt to earn calgar town credit, and if Perfection is town, he's an easy sell for a mislynch.
Wait, what? If he is mafia, then you’re suggesting that I’m mafia and I voted to kill another mafia, to boost my town cred, when you are saying to leave the mafia alive for more questioning? Doesn’t that mean I am currently pushing for a mafia player to get killed, while you are arguing to leave him alive? Explain to me how that makes ANY sense. If he is town, we’ll never really be able to know – see my thoughts on him and why an invest isn’t very useful.
Regardless, Calgar's late in the day effort to "Save" obvious once it became clear saving him would be difficult looks like an effort at town cred. It's heavy WIFOM, but it was a mediocre effort, and too little too late. Certainly not enough to make him look clean to me. You argued to kill a town member, I argued to save him. How does this ‘mediocre’ effort by a vote you caused with a POOR READ reflect guilt on my part? It was clear to me by inactivity and lack of conversation that people were going to stick their vote and not listen. I don’t understand how trying to save the townie made me look more guilty. If hopeless and one vote had swung over, iamperfection could have gotten 5 votes first.
Furthermore, he jumps votes like it's going out of style, and despite pushing his side bandwagon on perfection late D1, he didn't change his vote until he got Hapa onboard with it. Check the timing in the filter. Despite his seeming desperation to "save" obvious by pushing perfection, Calgar left his vote on YourHarry until AFTER Hapa changed votes. What? I jump votes like it’s going out of style to SAVE A TOWN MEMBER. How has this escaped your notice? You have some master vision of my theory crafting and play in order to build credit. Don’t you think these pro-town actions might have a simpler expalantion? I didn’t change my vote until after hapa because I was being resourceful to pool votes to wherever they could go. I thought YourHarry or iamperfection were better D1 lynches so I would have voted either to save obvious. I switched because we got a third onto iamperfection and it looked plausible that we might swing it over.
Go back to the very beginning of D1, he was pointing to his lack of history to analyze, and hoping to cast doubts on the various methods people can use to spot scum. He was actively spreading the seeds of doubt for any analysis that could be directed his way. Your language is much more cloudy and less straightforward than mine. WTF do you mean with “seeds of doubt”. Why are you speaking like you’re a poet? Your previous argument was based on suspicious words like “under the bus”. Where did that get you?
This second one casts huge WIFOM type doubts around, he can point to it later as needed. "See guys, I even said back then we should avoid watching this stuff". I’ve voluntarily chosen to be in the spotlight. This is a bad play for mafia – it’s even in the advice guide. Sooner or later you can’t keep up your town cred by making pro town votes (like trying to save a myslynch from you). WIFOM, whatever.
Also, Calgar was, at first, one of the people calling me scummy for saying we don't have sufficient info for a vigi kill to feel really safe. When Hapa agreed, I'm suddenly not on Calgar's scumlist in his recent post? Again, "me-too"-ing on Hapa. I’ve never called you scummy. You’ve never been on my scumlist. I read you as strongly town. I’ve said so before, check my filter.
I called you out there because your reasoning was stupid. You won’t agree because you are stubborn. That’s just what we have to deal with in a thread that includes you. I'll let it slide because sometimes townies don't always make the best calls (obvious).
On July 18 2012 06:42 JingleHell wrote:
And frankly, I don't expect Obvious to be a mislynch. I would imagine you don't think I'll be a mislynch, either?
@YourHarryCare to respond to anything? Nice OMGUS also. You were joking about defending me earlier. Asking people to claim? There's #12 on my list. "I do not want to disclose that right now." --> anti-town play. #13
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I haven't started a Calgar "bandwagon" yourharry. I posted an "end of the night, in case I die" post. I'm getting ready to work up a case on Calgar after I get caffeine in my system and finish watching some stuff on Netflix.
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EBWOP I see your point, I retract #12.
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On July 19 2012 09:03 calgar wrote:
@YourHarryCare to respond to anything? Nice OMGUS also. You were joking about defending me earlier. Asking people to claim? There's #12 on my list. "I do not want to disclose that right now." --> anti-town play. #13
This can't be what's actually going through your head. Just because I said I do not want to disclose it at this moment, but that I will talk about it sometime very soon, that's an automatic anti-town play that makes it to your made up #13 (WOW!) reasons why I am scummy. The list is indeed very long.
##Vote calgar
I will respond to your posts just for the benefits of other players. Soon, now is time to get some supper.
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On July 19 2012 09:05 calgar wrote:
EBWOP I see your point, I retract #12.
What do you mean, you see my point? What point?
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On July 19 2012 09:03 YourHarry wrote:
They would know you were power role.
Shit, I am an idiot. I hope they didn't RB you.
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