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@stefftastiq
I kind of lead the crusade against prplhz this time, which really sucks.
VisEyes really wants to lynch me, that's his main crusade.
Hiro Protagonist has a pretty damn impressive voting record. He voted Skrammen on day 1, he voted Mataza on day 2 and he voted prplhz on day 3, despite claiming he was sure prplhz wasn't mafia.
I did an analysis on the guy back on day 2, I guess I should've pushed his lynch harder at the time, but it seems like this town has a taste for active blood, so aside from stefftastiq I found it really hard to get much support. That and I will admit VisEyes's constant crusade against me has been really distracting.
But it kinda fits... I couldn't place Wunder anywhere because his behavior was so damn scummy, yet I already had hiro and prplhz lined up as mafia. Looks like we know who the mafia is now.
If I should not survive the night, I want you to take a really good long look at Hiro Protagonist. Nard saw it, I saw it, stefftastiq saw it and prplhz saw it. We just seem really keen on lynching active players versus passive players.... and look where that has gotten us.
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Vote #3
Palmar (1)
Wunder
VisceraEyes
prplhz (3)
Palmar
VisceraEyes
Skrammen
hiro protagonist (1)
stefftastiq
out of these people who have voted right now im only 100% certain about one green, and thats myself 
@Palmar, VisceraEyes, Skrammen
_WHY_ were you so certain about prplz - or did you just follow the bandwagon - out of my thoungs _at least_ one of you are scum - if not - where are all the scum? :-p
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Well, I don't know about the others, but I honestly just thought prplhz was mafia. He was being pushed by two people that died last night (Mataza and DeepBlu2) and he hadn't really contributed anything to the game since day one aside from bandwagoning my breakdown of Mataza's "plan".
Then he pulled some really silly "I'll martyr myself instead of Palmar" thing, and I was just... why on earth would you do that as townie? It just makes no sense.
So yeah, bad read.
The Mafia are Hiro and Wunder. If you don't believe me, just go through their post history.
I would do an analysis on Wunder, but there's nothing to analyse. He's just been chilling and doing nothing while the we happily kill off outspoken players like Mataza and prplhz.
I don't even care anymore, I'm not listening to some meta-game bullshit anymore. I will be crusading so hard on Hiro's ass tomorrow that he will feel sore for days. If I die during the night, well you know what happened.
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Sigh. I dun goof'd. Well, I just thought he was a scum. Apparantly, many of us had a bad read on that guy, and I just cannot fathom why he would act the way he did. It sounded logical to me that the scums would be of the most active, but that might not be the case.
@Viscera
Well. He is as eager as anyone to catch scum, and he might be on to somthing.
Imma go over some posts and see if I can dig up somthing.
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I'm withdrawing all FoS and "crusades" I might be on...I'm also going back to read what we've got.
Good luck tonight everyone. I'll make a post before 10p in case I'm the target tonight (it looks less and less likely each day.)
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On May 24 2011 11:16 hiro protagonist wrote:
"you see, you SEE" - copyright held by Sen.
ok, now that what I thought all along is for everyone else to see, lets move forward. If there are blue roles out there, then we know you have never been role blocked and there are 2 of you. or, more likely at this point, all townies. lets see what the night brings and start anew.
So, you contribute to a lynch to a townie, meanwhile saying that you don't see anything scummy about him, you just don't want to vote against town.
And then you come to us and say "I told you so".
This is just a silly parade to try to reduce suspicion on yourself.
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This is my second game--I died in XXXIX
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On May 25 2011 01:45 sinani206 wrote:
This is my second game--I died in XXXIX
It's ok, you're not scum.
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Just a cursory glance at the last few pages makes me tend to agree with Palmar regarding Hiro...but I haven't gone back and looked really.
I suggest looking at Hiro, Stefftastiq and (unfortunately) Sinani for tomorrow's lynch so far.
More in-depth analysis (with actual evidence) forthcoming.
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@VisceraEyes
i would really like to know why you think im scum - cause it make me more suspicious of you when you actually accuse me, since i know my role - and i certainly do not know yours!
but I really hope someone looks at my posts, it might give me help to how i can clear the suspicious others might have.
I would rather question how "sure" some of the players have been earlier, both with mataza and prplz - and those players should really rethink how they analyze the players - cause seriously - something is done wrong when both players which was analyzed to be scum show up to be townies 
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@stefftastiq
We're pretty much all first-timers, so errors are to be expected. The problem is that we keep analysing the few people that actually contributed to the thread, and thus we lynch useful townies day after day. I mean, there is no question that Mataza's plan was pretty bad, and that prplhz's martyrdom was not the most intelligent thing to do.
But the thing is, the people that don't post, don't make any of those mistakes. I'm pretty sure you're town at the moment, but it really bothers me how passive you were at the start of the game. That's just destructive behavior. I don't see no problem with VisEyes suggesting we take a look at you.
Mind you, if the mafia successfully gets a kill tonight, it'll be 4 town v 2 mafia, so it only takes one townie to make the wrong decision, and it's game over.
I'm going to write up my thoughts, in case I die during the night.
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So here we are, 7 people left living, 5 of us townies, and 2 mafiosi.
One more person might die before day breaks, so that'll bring it down to 4v2. That's basically a LYLO situation, meaning we need a correct lynch, or we're pretty much dead, barring a doctor save. And we don't even know if there is a doctor in the game.
This also means, that we might be in a situation where the 4 townies need to vote together to get rid of mafia. It only takes 1 townie betting on the wrong lynch for us to simply lose the game.
My first lynch candidate it Hiro Protagonist. It is absolutely vital that the four townies that survive through the night vote for him. He will shout foul, and he will try to paint someone else a target. Possibly me or VisEyes because there is a ton of posts by both of us that can be analysed and made to look "scummy".
Here is a link to an analysis I did on Hiro: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9339175
Before reading on, I suggest you take a good hard look at this post. All the way from day 1 Hiro has been acting scummy. Let's look at his voting record, for all it means.
09:48 hiro protagonist -> Skrammen
09:56 Wunder -> Skrammen
10:08 nard -> Skrammen
This is from Deepblu2's analysis of votes after day 1. He, along with two other people voted for Skrammen in a very short timeframe. I don't think nard (sinai) is scum, but it's worth looking at for later. But I'm absolutely sure hiro is scum.
here is his post where he votes Mataza:
On May 21 2011 08:26 hiro protagonist wrote:
Ok, I am at work, so I dont have a lot of time to explain my vote, but here it go's:
Mataza has been less then helpful day 2. there is so much scumminiss going on with his actions that i dont have time to point them all out. i will just point out a few.
1. He used his trust that he built with the town to try to get people to rolecall blue roles, and as everyone pointed out, thats a very bad idea for us, great for mafia, who are behind.
2. He wants to lynch prplhz. Really? the guy who's very last minute vote switch got us a scum lynch on day one in very dramatic fashion?
3. before prplhz vote switch, GiygaS was safe. This could have been planned between them both, with Mataza looking like a townie.
Im gonna put my money on Mataza is S to the scummy ummy.
##Vote Mataza
So yeah, while I still think Mataza's roleclaim idea was pretty stupid, His reasoning is basically just bandwagoning what everyone else has said.
But this is not the most incriminating thing he did. Here is something that really should be looked at. This is from day 3, just before I post my long analysis on prplhz
On May 23 2011 10:04 hiro protagonist wrote:@Prplhz My questions directed at Mataza in regards to the blue role incident where ones of genuine interest. when he first started hinting at it (and he did a LOT of hinting) I did not pay much attention to them because I thought he was still doing what he was doing all game long; throwing out hooks every where and waiting till someone responded. seamed like thats what he was doing. But then he actual stated a plan, and one that did not make sense to me. I wanted him to elaborate, before anyone cried blue, but I was willing to here him out. luckily for us, both ViscaraEyes and Palmar voiced there concerns and explained why it was a bad idea. I was especially worried about this post: Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 09:34 Mataza wrote:
That´s why I strongly request claims now.
If our real doctor was very silent, he must have missed the impostor.
If we have a cop he MUST claim. The reward is instantly getting an innocent report and a mafia. The risk is getting heavily messed with by scum.
Claiming means we know the setup 100% sure.
I cannot overstate how good this is for us.
If you are cop and do not claim, it means I will wrongly try to get prplhz lynched. And that if you claim later nobody will believe you. he was asking for people to claim up before really explaining how it would help for town. not good in my eyes. As for your thoughts on if he thought I was a doc, well, I dont no if i'm reading to much into it but, 2 minutes after my first post during night 1: Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 07:58 Mataza wrote:
DOC ON ME!
In hindsight, everyone suddenly agrees Giygas was obvious.
Remember who pushed him? Alone?
To be a little arrogant, my read is maybe the strongest in the game. this, after all ready asking for doc protection. Im going to go back through the game and see what I can dig up. I am gonna be looking at anyone who was suspicious of prplhz after day 1. I see no reason why his vote on day 1 doesn't make him a 100% townie. The only thing I can think of is if Skrammen is also Mafia, witch would make sense to vote of the suspicious scum in favor of the less suspicious. I ask that any one else to give me another reason why prplhz is mafia if they have a reason. i would be intrigued to hear.
This is actually a solid post. Really nothing to say about it. He points out some obvious things, but the most important part is that he's not pointing any fingers (he really hasn't pointed any fingers throughout the game) and he's defending prplhz.
Which seems to be quite a contradiction when he finally:
On May 24 2011 10:50 hiro protagonist wrote:
I still cant figure out what is so suspicious about prplhz, but because a lot of you feel he is worth the vote then so be it;
##Vote: Prplhz
Really... if you know something that we don't, please tell us about it. Explain why we shouldn't be voting him. This is just ridiculous if you're town. You don't vote for anyone as town, unless you think they're mafia.
But the thing is, this makes perfect sense if you're Mafia. Don't take any responsibility for a kill on someone that you already know is green, and voila... the people that pushed the lynch will look bad, and you can just happily watch the townies go at each others throat until you bandwagon the next townie lynch.
Notice this:
Day 1: Votes Skrammen when GiygaS is top candidate for lynching
Day 2: Bandwagons Mataza
Day 3: Bandwagons prplhz even after claiming he's probably not mafia.
Hiro Protagonist is mafia
I don't need no damn cop, I'll investigate you with an axe tomorrow night.
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@Palmar
yeah - the first days i was a bit overwhelmed by en the enthusiasm by the other players and had to figure out and read a little more about the game before i felt i could contribute - in addition it was the norwegian national day and we celebrate it like crazy here :-p
I hope we talk again tomorrow, good night 
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@Palmar
Very good post on hiro!
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@Steffastiq
Aye. Indeed. I was a russ at the time so i needed a few days for restitution :p
Im a bit worried this night. I think that one of you more seasoned players might get taken out, which obviously is not good.
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Day 4
Another day, another death. This time its Skrammen who doesn't come to the town square at dawn. With heavy hearts the townsfolk force their way into his house, already knowing what they will find inside. Indeed the scene seems to have played out much the same as in the other murders, a single assassin sneaking in silently and slitting the victims throat,Skrammen died before he even noticed he was dead. The townsfolk are starting to panic, they realizer that time is running out. Will they kill the mafia before the mafia kills them?
Skrammen the Vanilla Townie has been murdered
You know the drill by now, 48 hours in the day, vote for who you want to kill
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Atleast it was just me! Good luck fellas, I have faith in ya!
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Why the black text? No millers and you confused me until I scrolled down more.
Not nice.
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Anyway, writing up the analysis right now.
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