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On January 07 2014 02:36 Balla24 wrote:
What I think of dragoon's soft defense of Asuna? It's difficult to come to conclusions about it until dragoon flips, and flips scum... otherwise there's really nothing to glean from it. I do find day_walker's post about it weird, where he lays out the 2 situations seemingly assuming Asuna is town 100%... Why can't it be that they are both scum? At least it fits with his big post where he basically calls everyone town (which in itself is weird... you should be suspicious of everyone early not so easily dismissive of small posts as townie plays)..
You misunderstood what I was saying. Here is my post for reference:
On January 06 2014 21:03 Day_Walker wrote:
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Off the top of my head I can think of only two scenarios where this <Dragoon defending Asuna> is consistent with theDragoon scum AND Asuna townie:
1) Scum are protecting some townies to make things harder to read.
2) Scum are trying to make it easier to play the "I'm a newbie" card.
The two scenarios ASSUME that Dragoon is scum and Asuna is townie, and then try to explain Dragoon's defense. Maybe I should have said this explicitly, but the point of the post is that I think it is unlikely that Dragoon is scum AND Asuna is townie.
If they are both scum, the defense makes total sense and needs no explanation. If Dragoon is town and gets a townie read on Asuna, the defense again makes total sense regardless of Asuna's alignment. The defense only needs a explanation if Dragoon is scum and Asuna is townie, and I was throwing out the two explanations that I saw.
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dragoon saying I'm okay with lynching someone with 36 hours to go until the voting deadline obviously means at that point in the game. That's a long time and until they show otherwise they're okay lynch targets.
If you're town and don't want to get lynched then make a case on derrida or bigdad. If they're worth looking at you can save a townie.
I won't vote suki unless something changes. I like how she's posted today.
As is, you're not scum hunting and I think there's a good chance you're scum. Do something to show otherwise.
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Again, I'll be around a few hours. If anyone has questions ask away. Otherwise I'm not changing my vote or making a case on anyone else unless td posts something of use to us. Maybe the names of scum buddies?
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@Jonny
I still want to hear your thoughts on BigDad going after theDragoon early.
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I'll address bigdad in the night. TD thinks he's scum let him make a case. I don't need him sheeping me.
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Thats a stupid excuse Jonny. Why not address him now? Dragoon is in enough of a hole where I don't think he will want to sheep onto peoples ideas anyway since it won't help him prove his innocence. What have you got to hide?
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I can't believe how some of you guys are so confident about how dragoon will flip scum. Suki, Jonny specifically..
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Yo, what's the point?
Tell me chyz why should I say anything now? What's it going accomplish? Do some fucking work for yourself if you think bigdad is scum and td is not. Because I think td's scum and don't see a need to sidetrack on it.
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I'm more confident in lynching him than other players.
If you want to lynch dnyarri I'm down for that one as well. Otherwise TD stayign at the top of my list. Who do you think should be lynched today then ballaman? Maybe I'm just being lazy. I'll reread the filters.
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Day 1 vote count:
Balla24 (0): chinstrap
TheChyz (0): chinstrap, suki, theDragoon, dnyarri
JonnyLaw (0): Balla24
Day_Walker (1): TheChyz, BigDad
onlywonderboy (0): Balla24, theDragoon
theDragoon (9): dnyarri, Balla24, onlywonderboy, chinstrap, theDragoon, JonnyLaw, Derrida, suki, sidesprang
BigDad (0): suki
dnyarri (0): TheChyz
Not voting (3): Asuna, Day_Walker, TheChyz
Currently, theDragoon is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Tuesday, Jan 07 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). Voting is mandatory!
If there are errors, please let us know.
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Please put your votes/unvotes on a separate line and try to remember to bold them.
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@theDragoon Who would you vote for now and why ?
Also, why did you change your mind and wanted to defend yourself afterall ?
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Mmm.. I'm not biting.
From that, your reason to lynch Asuna was basically due to his inexperience. Not a good enough reason to warrant being lynched. It was also something I can relate with as I myself am prone to making excuses, bandwagoning and having self doubt, if I don't want to be lynched because I have those traits, I certainly don't want others to be as well.
This isn't good townie logic. Excuses, bandwagoning and self-doubt may be signs of newbie town, but they are also signs of mafia. You can't excuse someone for displaying mafia traits just because you display them. Again, it feels like you know that Asuna is a newbie town and that's what's suspicious here.
Suki to me sounds like a scum trying to take advantage of this situation, to get a townie a guaranteed lynch.
I'll have to warn the town about Suki, BigDad, Derrida and possibly Day_Walker (my so called scumbuddy).
The pro-town thing to do in your spot is to post the best analysis you can on the scummiest people you can find. This just feels like a last-ditch attempt to try to throw suspicion on everyone who voted you under the pretense of a "defense post" and see if someone bites.
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I don't like the lynch on theDragoon.
I'll give my reasoning in a bit, but I want hear more from Dragoon first.
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On January 07 2014 15:10 Balla24 wrote:
I can't believe how some of you guys are so confident about how dragoon will flip scum. Suki, Jonny specifically..
I think I was pretty clear in my posts as to why I think Dragoon is scum.
I feel that his defense of Asuna is a major scum slip and the more he tries to justify it the more I believe it.
Dragoon has also not played a pro-town game at all. His only scum reads have been on those who are attacking him, and he hasn't even taken the time to properly form a case. Like, I still don't know why he thinks I'm scummy
suki: "Okay then, lets get back to scumhunting :D". A bit too eager to go scumhunting there, don't ya think? Not really a good reason to call him mafia.
I think that's the only reason he's given as to why I'm scum. Here is his defense post on me:
@SukiShow nested quote +theDragoon's knee jerk reaction to vote OWB because of an incorrect timeline.
- Attacking his attacker for a slight inconsistency. I reacted to that inconsistency because he was trying to frame his argument based on the fact that I "changed my mind" about Day_Walker. He said something along the lines of me saying I changed my mind THEN... Day_Walker mentioned something. The only reason why I even mentioned Day_Walker at all is because Balla24 asked me what I thought, then people started putting words in my mouth saying I trusted him. Show nested quote +His flip-flopping on Derrida, first saying his suspicion is 'low' and then on his very next post saying Derrida is higher up. New information pops up, you reread things you change your opinions. How's that scummy at all? Suki to me sounds like a scum trying to take advantage of this situation, to get a townie a guaranteed lynch. Everyone watch out for Suki, her true nature as a scum will be revealed when I get flipped.
Where is the analysis? He's just blindly attacking me because hey, I straight up said he's the scummiest person in the game. Same with the other people he's called out.
I'd be very surprised if he bleeds green because his play has not been pro-town at all.
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Anyways I'm off to bed, good night~
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On January 07 2014 15:33 sidesprang wrote:
@theDragoon Who would you vote for now and why ?
Also, why did you change your mind and wanted to defend yourself afterall ?
I felt like I needed to, as simple as that. I just wanted to get something out before I die.
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So from your defence post I take it that your biggest scumread is suki, why did you not change your vote to him? And are you planning on doing more to get yourself not lynched ?
Also why is suki scum if you flip town?
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Dragoon do what I said.
Post a case on why you think bigdad and derrida. Why should I want to lynch them over you?
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On January 07 2014 15:17 LoneMeow wrote:
Day 1 vote count:
Day_Walker (1): TheChyz, BigDad
theDragoon (9): dnyarri, Balla24, onlywonderboy, chinstrap, theDragoon, JonnyLaw, Derrida, suki, sidesprang
Not voting (3): Asuna, Day_Walker, TheChyz
Currently, theDragoon is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Tuesday, Jan 07 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). Voting is mandatory!
If there are errors, please let us know.
This is the most one sided lynch ever. I'm sorry but this should seriously be making you weary (suki/jonnylaw). The people who are not voting seem to also be tentatively saying that they are ok with the lynch if it were to happen now, besides Day_walker who probably is thinking along the same lines of this tbh.
I'm searching for a new target. I really don't like how hard you lurked today sidesprang, so I'd lynch you just based on that, but other than that, I find Derrida pretty scummy.
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