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WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
July 26 2013 01:20 GMT
#521
On July 26 2013 10:17 ptbl wrote:
TheStc has been pretty bad for months now. I wonder if he stopped practicing.

Perhaps he ran out of his old Korean blood as his bone marrow produced more and more foreign cells.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26499 Posts
July 26 2013 01:20 GMT
#522
On July 26 2013 10:16 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 10:05 Wombat_NI wrote:
I'm not a big hater on casters, but one thing I notice is of late a lot of the American casters have voices that are rather annoying and homogenised or something?

There's a lot of varience in accents within the States, seems curious that so many of the casters I'm seeing lately sound the same


I don't think it's the American accent (some of the best casters, like Artosis, are American). While a British accent may sound exotic, classy, and remind people of football commentators, just having a British accent won't make one a good caster.

I think the problem with these casters is that they don't really add value to the caster. During the game, they'll say things like "thermal lance starting up", and that would be it. Now if I was blind or couldn't watch the stream, that would help. But I can see those things happening, so pointing it out in the cast and not going further and giving analysis doesn't add "value". The use of cliches doesn't help either ("it was the critical mistakes that lost him that game").

So neither of these guys are really good at analysis. But what about play by play, or just building excitement? Unfortunately, they haven't quite gotten that either. Some casters like Nathanias may not be the best at analysis, but they can generate excitement. But unfortunately, these casters have not yet mastered the art of generating excitement without sounding fake.

That's kind of what I'm getting at, they have that kind of nasally 'forced' voice that is a bit grating to me as it's a bit reminiscent of other examples of fakery in American broadcasting. It's perhaps not fair, but equally these guys aren't great on the content front either.

I mean imagine if a Valley girl casted, wouldn't matter if her analysis was good, some voices are just a bit grating.

Actually feel it's a bit of an elephant in the room as regards casting. I do accept that it's subjective on my part, but whenever the 'how do you break into casting?' question is aired, rarely if ever does anybody see to ask 'do you have an annoying voice?, if yes, it's probably not for you'.



'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
July 26 2013 01:23 GMT
#523
Go Crank!
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-26 01:25:59
July 26 2013 01:25 GMT
#524
On July 26 2013 10:20 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 10:16 Bagration wrote:
On July 26 2013 10:05 Wombat_NI wrote:
I'm not a big hater on casters, but one thing I notice is of late a lot of the American casters have voices that are rather annoying and homogenised or something?

There's a lot of varience in accents within the States, seems curious that so many of the casters I'm seeing lately sound the same


I don't think it's the American accent (some of the best casters, like Artosis, are American). While a British accent may sound exotic, classy, and remind people of football commentators, just having a British accent won't make one a good caster.

I think the problem with these casters is that they don't really add value to the caster. During the game, they'll say things like "thermal lance starting up", and that would be it. Now if I was blind or couldn't watch the stream, that would help. But I can see those things happening, so pointing it out in the cast and not going further and giving analysis doesn't add "value". The use of cliches doesn't help either ("it was the critical mistakes that lost him that game").

So neither of these guys are really good at analysis. But what about play by play, or just building excitement? Unfortunately, they haven't quite gotten that either. Some casters like Nathanias may not be the best at analysis, but they can generate excitement. But unfortunately, these casters have not yet mastered the art of generating excitement without sounding fake.

That's kind of what I'm getting at, they have that kind of nasally 'forced' voice that is a bit grating to me as it's a bit reminiscent of other examples of fakery in American broadcasting. It's perhaps not fair, but equally these guys aren't great on the content front either.

I mean imagine if a Valley girl casted, wouldn't matter if her analysis was good, some voices are just a bit grating.

Actually feel it's a bit of an elephant in the room as regards casting. I do accept that it's subjective on my part, but whenever the 'how do you break into casting?' question is aired, rarely if ever does anybody see to ask 'do you have an annoying voice?, if yes, it's probably not for you'.





I think you're mixing up what I consider the "radio broadcast" voice and a nasally voice. Montecristo is a great version of the former - usually, proper "radio" voices are NOT nasally (since a nasally voice would usually be the opposite of the very clear radio voice) - they are, however, very forceful and often overly precise, and you can tell that there's a kind of "fakeness" to the emotion generated (maybe because they lack a certain range, always being forceful, or maybe because the overly polished tones). Nasally voices, on the other hand, are just nasally sounding voices, and a separate issue.

It's subjective to the extent in which a person might tolerate or prefer such a voice, but I think we can also agree that there are those are objective qualities of a voice. It's also not really an American issue - I consider TB to be an English version of the radio broadcast voice.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 26 2013 01:25 GMT
#525
[WCS AM] Ro32 Group H Premier Season 2 2013
[image loading] (P)CranK vs. [image loading] (P)HuK
Game 1
Map: Akilon Wastes

0:00
CranK spawns in the top left
HuK spawns in the bottom right
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KingofGods
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1218 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-26 01:26:37
July 26 2013 01:25 GMT
#526
"[Huk] was known for top 3 control" - WCS Caster

LOL no. He was infamous for jokingly saying that about himself, but he was never known for it.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
July 26 2013 01:27 GMT
#527
Cheesy
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 26 2013 01:27 GMT
#528
Crank has been watching a lot of PvProleague it seems
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
July 26 2013 01:29 GMT
#529
Just got back online. What's happening here??
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
July 26 2013 01:29 GMT
#530
On July 26 2013 10:25 KingofGods wrote:
"[Huk] was known for top 3 control" - WCS Caster

LOL no. He was infamous for jokingly saying that about himself, but he was never known for it.

I was about to say that. It was kind of a community joke . But oh well the casters seem to be having a rough night.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 26 2013 01:29 GMT
#531
On July 26 2013 10:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:
[WCS AM] Ro32 Group H Premier Season 2 2013
[image loading] (P)CranK vs. [image loading] (P)HuK
Game 1
Map: Akilon Wastes

0:00
CranK spawns in the top left
HuK spawns in the bottom right

1:40
gate for HuK
proxy gate for Crank

2:00
gas for Crank
2nd proxy gate for Crank
double gas for HuK
Cybernetics core for crank
zealot for Crank

3:00
2nd gate for Huk
2 stalkers for Crank
stalker for HuK
first zealot moves into the main of HuK
chronoboost on the stalker of HuK
probes are pulled to fight the zealot
pylon on the high ground for Crank

4:00
2 stalkers of Crank in the main of HuK
2 more stalkers for HuK
another stalker for Crank
probes are pulled to fight the stalkers
HuK loses his only stalker out right now
3 stalkers out for Crank now vs 2 of HuK
2 more stalkers on the way for both players

5:00
4th stalker in the main of HuK
probes are pulled for HuK cause Crank is targeting down a gateway
5th stalker for Crank
3 stalkers for crank vs 2 for huk now
Huk still ahead by 6 probes and making another
zealot and stalker on the way for Huk
5 stalkers again for Crank
Crank is killing off a gateway
Huk pulls probes again
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 26 2013 01:29 GMT
#532
This is not good control by Crank
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 26 2013 01:30 GMT
#533
On July 26 2013 10:29 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2013 10:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:
[WCS AM] Ro32 Group H Premier Season 2 2013
[image loading] (P)CranK vs. [image loading] (P)HuK
Game 1
Map: Akilon Wastes

0:00
CranK spawns in the top left
HuK spawns in the bottom right

1:40
gate for HuK
proxy gate for Crank

2:00
gas for Crank
2nd proxy gate for Crank
double gas for HuK
Cybernetics core for crank
zealot for Crank

3:00
2nd gate for Huk
2 stalkers for Crank
stalker for HuK
first zealot moves into the main of HuK
chronoboost on the stalker of HuK
probes are pulled to fight the zealot
pylon on the high ground for Crank

4:00
2 stalkers of Crank in the main of HuK
2 more stalkers for HuK
another stalker for Crank
probes are pulled to fight the stalkers
HuK loses his only stalker out right now
3 stalkers out for Crank now vs 2 of HuK
2 more stalkers on the way for both players

5:00
4th stalker in the main of HuK
probes are pulled for HuK cause Crank is targeting down a gateway
5th stalker for Crank
3 stalkers for crank vs 2 for huk now
Huk still ahead by 6 probes and making another
zealot and stalker on the way for Huk
5 stalkers again for Crank
Crank is killing off a gateway
Huk pulls probes again

6:00
Crank retreats down to the ramp
Huk sends his probes back to mine
Crank targets down the 2nd gate of Huk
Huk loops his probes out wide for a flank
Crank charges in for an attack
Huk down to 1 stalker
Huk ggs!
CranK wins game 1!
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TL+ Member
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 26 2013 01:30 GMT
#534
Poll: Recommend Final Match game 1?

No (8)
 
67%

Yes (3)
 
25%

Meh (1)
 
8%

12 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Final Match game 1?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Meh

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TL+ Member
ClairvoyanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2012
United States758 Posts
July 26 2013 01:30 GMT
#535
I thought huk was ahead?
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
July 26 2013 01:30 GMT
#536
On July 26 2013 10:29 lichter wrote:
This is not good control by Crank


Kinda difficult to outmicro someone in PvP with US server lag. It was evidently good enough
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
July 26 2013 01:30 GMT
#537
Huh, I thought Crank's aggression had failed. Not bad
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
July 26 2013 01:30 GMT
#538
On July 26 2013 10:29 lichter wrote:
This is not good control by Crank

neither it is by huk
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-26 01:31:22
July 26 2013 01:31 GMT
#539
wow so bad
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Walnuts
Profile Joined March 2012
United States770 Posts
July 26 2013 01:31 GMT
#540
Honestly, the biggest thing for me that makes a caster good or bad is whether or not they have a "foreigner bias" which, unfortunately, these two have.
Gandalf on balance: "It's always darkest before the dawn"
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