EPTNewbie Mini Mafia XLIV - Page 27
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
They'll get in here and post when they're good and ready, dammit! (by that I mean, it depends on the fucking direction the wind blows) | ||
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Gotard
Poland446 Posts
"All he's done is confirm town reads. Mathematically, he thinks more people are town than is possible:" My "biggest" reads: 1) hzflank - cold, calculated. Null read. 4) jrkirby - confuses me a little. But he has a similar view on StiMaDDict as i do. 5) Koshi - inexperienced or lurking hard. 6) Xzavier - one good post [...] Need to see some more activity from him to have a read 8) Nightcat99 - lurking newbie. 13) cloud-9 - US timezone and 0 posts. and Rainbows seemed really confusing. you have some possible people to choose from... You need to understand that if someone is 99.9% town for me he still might be mafia but it's highly unlikely and don't say "Mathematically" if you can't prove something "Mathematically" (you didn't even try rotfl). | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
That quote was actually correct, if you ask me. | ||
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
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Hurricane Sponge
868 Posts
On July 14 2013 05:32 Gotard wrote: I didn't want to bring any names to the table because "my biggest scum reads" were weak because it was an early stage of the game and I wanted to stop Chromatically from tunneling Stim (saying my thoughts straight made me explaining myself for whole day in the last game I played and I would be lynched if mafia didn't make silly mistakes and few other townies said that i'm bad and not mafia. The same think i did with stim). "All he's done is confirm town reads. Mathematically, he thinks more people are town than is possible:" My "biggest" reads: 1) hzflank - cold, calculated. Null read. 4) jrkirby - confuses me a little. But he has a similar view on StiMaDDict as i do. 5) Koshi - inexperienced or lurking hard. 6) Xzavier - one good post [...] Need to see some more activity from him to have a read 8) Nightcat99 - lurking newbie. 13) cloud-9 - US timezone and 0 posts. and Rainbows seemed really confusing. you have some possible people to choose from... You need to understand that if someone is 99.9% town for me he still might be mafia but it's highly unlikely and don't say "Mathematically" if you can't prove something "Mathematically" (you didn't even try rotfl). Have you done anything to chase down these reads? None of this is an indictment of any of these players and it seems like you being confused is grounds for being scum in your eyes (your Rainbow and Kirby reads). You also list inexperience as scummy (with your koshi read). And then you list null reads in your scum list (hzflank). I asked you for your scum reads at the time you posted that. This isn't a list of scum reads; it's a list of players in the game and gut reactions to each. Have you based none of this on actual post analysis or evidence? | ||
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Hurricane Sponge
868 Posts
Super sounds so scummy, or like he plays on epicmafia.com too much. In either case we do need 7 votes to lynch today. if its a nl, imma be pissed. /QUOTE] Why do you think Super sounds scummy? | ||
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Superfluous
United States70 Posts
On July 14 2013 05:17 Umasi wrote: You could also be trying to relieve pressure from yourself because you're scum /gasp You literally just told us "I have not been scumhunting, I am just trying not to die" It goes without saying that I could be relieving pressure from myself because I'm mafia. If I pointed it out in my post it would just seem like I'm prematurely covering for myself and change nothing. Don't put words in my mouth, I didn't say I haven't been scumhunting I said I haven't gotten a read a feel confident enough to push a lynch for. And obviously I'm trying not to die, everyone doesn't want to die day one regardless of alignment. Both because it would hurt your team and you wouldnt get to play as long. | ||
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Hurricane Sponge
868 Posts
On July 14 2013 05:47 Superfluous wrote: It goes without saying that I could be relieving pressure from myself because I'm mafia. If I pointed it out in my post it would just seem like I'm prematurely covering for myself and change nothing. Don't put words in my mouth, I didn't say I haven't been scumhunting I said I haven't gotten a read a feel confident enough to push a lynch for. And obviously I'm trying not to die, everyone doesn't want to die day one regardless of alignment. Both because it would hurt your team and you wouldnt get to play as long. Can you make a case on Xzavier? It seems like you have thread support (several people have mentioned they find Xzavier scummy). | ||
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Hurricane Sponge
868 Posts
@Superfluous Also, you have to vote in the voting thread for it to count. | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
qed. Don't argue pointless semantics about motivations for trying to stay alive, you don't get absolved by arguing semantics playing to not die is really kind of a spiral. Also, your vote on xzavier is totally half assed. Totally aside from your motivation for it, you didn't even put it in the vote thread, making me think you just wanted to seem like you were voting, not actually VOTING FOR XZAV. There was a notification by the mod (within the game thread)(addressing me) that there is a vote thread. | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
I think that you DID forget to put it in the vote thread, BECAUSE it was so half assed, and I don't think it was half assed because you're unsure, I think it was half assed because you didn't care where your vote went. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
Stim's case on Kirby takes a lot of stuff that's not scummy and says it is, but it also has good points (some of which are probably repeated here). Here's what I don't like: a) fluff about Sponge's first post b) wishy-washy reads c) lurker list d) Stim interactions a) fluff about Sponge's first post A large amount of Kirby's early posting is talking about Sponge's pregame post and trying to get him to post it. He only starts doing this light pressure AFTER I start it. On July 13 2013 08:33 Chromatically wrote: Why did you include this? Are you saying you wouldn't have posted this if you were scum? Scum are always looking for some way to post so that they seem town without actually doing anything. This pregame thing is something VERY easy for scum to comment on and lightly push. He notices that I'm a little suspicious and seizes on it so that he can post something at all. Notice how very lightly he's pressuring: On July 13 2013 08:48 jrkirby wrote: So then show us the post that you would have posted if you rolled scum, eh? On July 13 2013 09:03 jrkirby wrote: You ought to post it anyway. Having something that you'd post on the condition that you're scum is foolish in any respect, even if no one knows what it is. Ideally, a scum player would want to post the same way as scum as they do town in almost all situations. The first one is a conversational question, the second one is a suggestion. When I pressure someone I think is suspicious, I don't "suggest" things to them and tell them "what they ought to do". He doesn't actually care about getting the post, he just wants to look like he does. b) wishy-washy reads On July 13 2013 09:22 jrkirby wrote: Pretty much what you said was: meta is bad, this is the meta that I might accidentally do. That's fine, neither particularly good nor bad imo. But you claimed that you would only post it on the condition that you were town. You admit to having a post that you would post on the condition that you're scum (which I think is foolish), but you won't show it to us, and that's just a tiny bit suspicious. On July 13 2013 09:46 jrkirby wrote: Me - "It's been long enough that he could've written another one by now." If he had posted one immediately after I had asked it means something different than if he posts one an hour or two after I asked. Superfluous's post & lurk is bad, but give him a bit, he might show back up. On July 13 2013 10:32 jrkirby wrote: Honestly? I have real trouble seeing scum until I see voting patterns. I'm slightly more suspicious of Sponge, Umasi, and Rainbows than the rest. Sponge I've stated my reasons for. I don't really trust my read on Rainbows because [meta here] I thought he was scum last time I played with him and he wasn't. Umasi just reads a bit ornery, so that could be the reason for my weak read. My vote on hzflank was kinda a combo of joke/pressure as you guys pointed out. It got a bit of discussion, but didn't get much of a rise out of hzflank, who I currently have null read on. I guess I should unvote him now, since the pressure obviously didn't do too much. ##unvote: hzflank This is just generic wishy-washiness and unwillingness to commit to reads. Townies have at least some scum reads that they provide to the thread and push, at least a little. Kirby hasn't pushed a scumread all game. Kirby hasn't even had a scumread that he couldn't easily back out of. As scum, Kirby can easily justify a vote on anyone now because he doesn't have any reads out there. c) lurker list On July 13 2013 10:13 jrkirby wrote: Koshi Xzavier Nightcat99 Gotard cloud-9 These players haven't posted anything/enough in my opinion. It's only been a couple hours, so you might be asleep/ at work. But just a PSA, these are currently "lurkers". This should be pretty obvious, but lurker lists are scummy in general. Everyone knows who hasn't posted. There's no reason to post something like this as town, it's totally useless. Scum sometimes do stuff like this because they really really want to look useful. Scum think that lists like this will look pro town and give them something to post about so that they seem active. d) Stim interactions On July 13 2013 09:32 jrkirby wrote: Keep your cool stim, rainbows just misinterpreted your post, that's all. On July 13 2013 13:21 jrkirby wrote: Cool it dude. For all you know, the people voting for you could be scum trying to get you riled up. Just calm down, post reads, question things, and have a good game. You won't play your best when you're tilting. You're in no way doomed right now. Kirby consoles Stim twice during the game. Read both of these (especially the second one), and ask yourself why does it seem like Kirby KNOWS that Stim is town? Look at that second quote. "You won't play your best when you're tilting." There's not a HINT of doubt in that post that Stim is town. That's not something that you post to someone that you're even slightly suspicious of. "Well this makes sense if he has a town read on Stim, right?" On July 13 2013 13:38 jrkirby wrote: I don't think he's town. I think he's stupid, and have a nullread. Apart from the simple fact that he's trying to leave his options open to switch on the wagon later, this is COMPLETELY at odds with his subconscious attitude toward Stim in the previous conversation. ##Unvote ##Vote: jrkirby | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
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Umasi
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Superfluous
United States70 Posts
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
who gives a shit if it's a newbie game? That's an excuse, not a reason. | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
Pointing out that it's a newbie game is an excuse, not a reason. The fact that you react to it compared to saying "whoops" or something similar is scummy to me t.t | ||
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Xzavier
United States393 Posts
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
Spoil me, who's your largest scum read? Have you mentioned it and I totally missed it? | ||
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