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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On June 30 2012 07:59 Miltonkram wrote: Keirathi, the question doesn't come down to "what does town lose if player X is telling the truth." It comes down to who you think is scum. The fact that you acknowledge that there is a decent case against him but you does not reflect well on your alignment. Here is why I'm voting Vivax over JingleHell: Vivax's play has been incredibly scummy, JingleHell's has not. It's that simple. I 100% disagree. This game is ALL about making careful decisions than win the game in the LONG TERM; fully clearing or condemning someone is much more important than any single days lynch. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
Votecount: Vivax (6): JieXian JingleHell Miltonkram BioSC Esspen NrGmonk JingleHell (4): BassInSpace Vivax dNa Keirathi Currently, Vivax is set to be lynched. Note: You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled. | ||
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Vivax
22251 Posts
I wonder if the scum team feels comfortable now that I'm going to get lynched, I'll do my best to change that in less than an hour. | ||
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Vivax
22251 Posts
First of all, I'm not the DT, I'm Vanilla Townie. Since I knew that Jingle would succeed with his OMGUS case by getting so surprisingly quick backup, probably thanks to mafia, I decided to first delay my defense and see who would support a case against me, while I kept it passive until enough came out of their cover to post. My motive for lying: I really didn't want to just sit back and get lynched without fighting back, knowing I'm a townie and that I was getting tunneled based on weak claims by someone who I believed to be scum. The momentum on my case made me more suspicious of mafia trying to get me mislynched, and I think the arguments against me before the claim were really, really bad, those were the 4 lines of accuse by Jingle. Once he managed to create a bandwagon with that, I decided to fake claim and manage to get scum lynched. Enough of the justifications, here's the information I could get from this day and fake-claim story: First of all, my claim caused a lot of discomfort among scum, all (scum) players have posted in this matter (a real improvement compared to day1), and you have to consider that scum knew I am townie. So that leads to these different possibilities: - If mafia knew I was Vanilla townie and knew I was accusing another townie based on a false claim (cause a real DT wouldn't accuse a townie), the only alternative left for them was to believe that I checked the miller and truly was a DT. In this version (unless they assume miller got checked) mafia has to do nothing except bandwagoning and watch two townies get each other lynched. This didn't happen.Scum posted a lot during this day. - If Jingle was one of mafia and they really believed I was DT, then they wouldn't defend him/accuse me directly. They would bandwagon. - If mafia knew I wasn't DT cause either 1) JingleHell is actually a godfather and knows that he can't return scum cause of a check. 2) I have been checked by a mafia rolecop during the night. then all they have to do is get me lynched, show town that I wasn't DT and walk away unharmed. And I believe this last possibility to be what they are believing and trying. The other two options allow/force mafia to play way more passive. But once I saw the posts from every player coming up after my claim and case against Jingle, I knew that I hit a weak spot there, there was absolutely noone supporting my case against him, and that meant that scum 1) had no interest in lynching Jingle 2) felt the need to post cause I was threatening one of them. If this situation wasn't hot for scum, they wouldn't have posted and instead would have watched me kill a townie by using a fake roleclaim. Cause of this I felt I had a confirmation for Jingle's scum status. Then there is a person who I saw make scumslips (or roleslips). There are two options regarding this person: - It's either the DT knowing that I'm lying (thing I DON'T believe when looking at his post history and stances regarding me) - or it's mafia knowing that I'm lying. That person is BioSC, here are the mentioned slips: On June 30 2012 02:37 BioSC wrote: I don't trust anything. I've seen games where Vanilla Townies Claim Blue roles. Most of the time, they don't work. I'm going off the way he's playing. He didn't breadcrumb his check, he only tells us about it after he has a majority vote on himself, switching targets between you and Jingle... yeah. I don't believe he is blue at all. He actually knows what's up (he seems to know my role) and rather mentions that alternative instead of the option that I'm scum trying to evade the lynch. On June 30 2012 03:29 BioSC wrote: Right now, vivax is lying about being a DT. I know it. Does it sound like BioSC backs his knowledge with facts visible to townies? He's pretty sure of himself and would even take the risk of losing a DT for the sake of not lynching Jingle.That'd be nuts from a townie not knowing my role. Keirathi has been adressing the issue all the time. Imagine how much mafia has to lose if Jingle flips red. It will automatically cast suspicion on Milton, Esspen and Bio, and that's also the initial reason I wanted to lynch Jingle even BEFORE he was successful in starting the bandwagon against me. A jingle lynch would have revealed clues about many different alignments at that point, and it was the only clue I had back then. Then think about the confirmed townies gained with this: You think mafia would risk their neck by defending a lying townie? Nope. And that's why dNa, BassInSpace and Keirathi can't be mafia. Cause noone with scummy intentions would have attempted to defend me while I was lying. Cause If I got Jingle lynched and he flipped town, then I would have been in deep and the people defending me aswell. Why would scum stop a mislynch to happen in favor of another mislynch when both of them were equally good for mafia? Conclusion: the mafia is among these: Miltonkram, BioSC, JingleHell, Esspen, NrGMonk. I'm not entirely sure about JieXian, but Id prefer to not include him in the list as of now, I'd still keep an eye on him as townie. tl;dr: I almost fooled you all successfully cause I am so sure of Jingle being scum and cause I was set to be lynched and wanted to do some bold stunt. But what you know now is that the people NOT suspecting me can't be scum unless they are so sloppy to defend a townie they know is lying, and that scum's best option was to get me lynched. If they've been so active (the scum players), then cause I was threatening another scum player. If there weren't scum players threatened by a lynch, then the other two scum would have had the option to remain silent and neutral and let the townies kill each other. I hope this is gonna help town after the second mislynch/fail, sadly I didn't manage to stop the first in time. GG and gl | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
Night 2 Long they argued into through the day. Tempers ran high, and the question was: who was scum? Who should be lynched? How would they stop the mafia? Dusk rapidly approaches, and they new a decision had to be made. The town had settled between two players, and was trying to determine who to lynch. The townspeople gathered in the square, once more ready for blood, for an end to things, and maybe a beginning to new things. They had chosen who would die, and they had chosen Vivax. "Wait!" he shouted, "I'm the cop!" but they did not listen. "Wait," he shouted, "I'm a VT!" but it was far too late. Vivax the Vanilla Townie has been put to death! Night 1 will end in ~24 hours, on Sunday, Jul 01 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), so please remember to send in your night actions to both Kitaman27 and me by then. | ||
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Esspen
Croatia29 Posts
On June 29 2012 23:28 Esspen wrote: There isl no chance he's detective, I'm ready to bet on my kidney. Why would he be accusing all the people he accused if he could focus on the one he knew to be the scum and make a good case on him. This seems like a very sad fake roleclaim. And in the end looks like I was correct... GG Vivax, why fake roleclaim? It just made you even more suspicious... | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
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BioSC
United States636 Posts
Good news, I was right. Bad news... Green. GG man, good player, though wish you would have just played instead of this claiming nonsense. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
TL;DR: think before you make dumb decisions. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
We all know why Vivax looked like scum. Apparently, in his mind, we're not good enough to understand his reads, so he had to resort to scummy behavior, instead of just working with us and trusting us to do the right thing. So let's have a moment of silence for the dearly departed, and clear the air after that unfortunate mislynch. Anyone feel the need to say anything? | ||
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BassInSpace
Australia165 Posts
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BassInSpace
Australia165 Posts
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dNa
Germany591 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
Scummiest townie EVER >_> Since this is just a game I'm obliged to acknowledge a posts that really made me laugh after catching up on all the back and forth tension. On June 29 2012 23:28 Esspen wrote: There isl no chance he's detective, I'm ready to bet on my kidney. Why would he be accusing all the people he accused if he could focus on the one he knew to be the scum and make a good case on him. This seems like a very sad fake roleclaim. Esspen, is that a common Croation saying or is it just you? That was just hilarious. On June 30 2012 09:02 Blazinghand wrote: "Wait!" he shouted, "I'm the cop!" but they did not listen. "Wait," he shouted, "I'm a VT!" but it was far too late. Vivax the Vanilla Townie has been put to death! Look who's having fun hahahaha | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
Don't worry it's nothing against scum my mafioso friends. Milton don't shoot me, it's not about you =) | ||
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