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On December 15 2010 17:13 konaman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 16:56 lichter wrote:On December 15 2010 16:54 Protocon wrote:
Pride i guess. What other motivation can there be? Oh maybe bribery from Kkoma. Why would he not play as well as he can? They are pros; they want to play their best every time they play. It doesn't really work out that way though in most competitive sports/games at the professional level. Motivation is a huge part of it and its hard to get up for something that is essentially meaningless in the grand scheme.
If they have dedicated a portion of their lives to competitive gaming in an e-sport that requires a ton of practice, I don't think they would mind playing another game at their fullest.
Moreover, there are extrinsic and intrinsic factors that both push the player to perform at their best. Perhaps a girlfriend, teammate, or coach who expects the best out of you, or you yourself fighting to exit the qualifiers with a resounding (and epic) win.
All that contrasts with simple laziness; I don't think there's a comparison 
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On December 15 2010 17:16 ch0c0b0fr34k wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 17:13 konaman wrote:On December 15 2010 16:56 lichter wrote:On December 15 2010 16:54 Protocon wrote:
Pride i guess. What other motivation can there be? Oh maybe bribery from Kkoma. Why would he not play as well as he can? They are pros; they want to play their best every time they play. It doesn't really work out that way though in most competitive sports/games at the professional level. Motivation is a huge part of it and its hard to get up for something that is essentially meaningless in the grand scheme. If they have dedicated a portion of their lives to competitive gaming in an e-sport that requires a ton of practice, I don't think they would mind playing another game at their fullest. Moreover, there are extrinsic and intrinsic factors that both push the player to perform at their best. Perhaps a girlfriend, teammate, or coach who expects the best out of you, or you yourself fighting to exit the qualifiers with a resounding (and epic) win. All that contrasts with simple laziness; I don't think there's a comparison
Thats purely theoretical though, because it simply isn't the case in practice, as is seen in just about any professional level competition, regardless of what game or sport is being played. It isn't as though he would make a conscious decision to not play his hardest, playing SC at the top level (or even average joe Diamond player) is particularly demanding mentally.
The issue is about having the mental focus and desire to play at your absolute best, and it is much less likely to be achieved when you have much less to play for.
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On December 15 2010 17:21 konaman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 17:16 ch0c0b0fr34k wrote:On December 15 2010 17:13 konaman wrote:On December 15 2010 16:56 lichter wrote:On December 15 2010 16:54 Protocon wrote:
Pride i guess. What other motivation can there be? Oh maybe bribery from Kkoma. Why would he not play as well as he can? They are pros; they want to play their best every time they play. It doesn't really work out that way though in most competitive sports/games at the professional level. Motivation is a huge part of it and its hard to get up for something that is essentially meaningless in the grand scheme. If they have dedicated a portion of their lives to competitive gaming in an e-sport that requires a ton of practice, I don't think they would mind playing another game at their fullest. Moreover, there are extrinsic and intrinsic factors that both push the player to perform at their best. Perhaps a girlfriend, teammate, or coach who expects the best out of you, or you yourself fighting to exit the qualifiers with a resounding (and epic) win. All that contrasts with simple laziness; I don't think there's a comparison Thats purely theoretical though, because it simply isn't the case in practice, as is seen in just about any professional level competition, regardless of what game or sport is being played. It isn't as though he would make a conscious decision to not play his hardest, playing SC at the top level (or even average joe Diamond player) is particularly demanding mentally. The issue is about having the mental focus and desire to play at your absolute best, and it is much less likely to be achieved when you have much less to play for.
I have to agree with ch0c0b0fr34k. Particularly looking at your last line there. They will have the mental focus if they have the desire to play, and choco's post lists many possible desires. I understand that these desires might not be as great as making money,qualifying for whatever,etc but I believe if you have any desire you can get into that mental state, it's not like it takes SO much out of you to try your best that you'd rather just wing it.
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On December 15 2010 17:25 Vorlik wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 17:21 konaman wrote:On December 15 2010 17:16 ch0c0b0fr34k wrote:On December 15 2010 17:13 konaman wrote:On December 15 2010 16:56 lichter wrote:On December 15 2010 16:54 Protocon wrote:
Pride i guess. What other motivation can there be? Oh maybe bribery from Kkoma. Why would he not play as well as he can? They are pros; they want to play their best every time they play. It doesn't really work out that way though in most competitive sports/games at the professional level. Motivation is a huge part of it and its hard to get up for something that is essentially meaningless in the grand scheme. If they have dedicated a portion of their lives to competitive gaming in an e-sport that requires a ton of practice, I don't think they would mind playing another game at their fullest. Moreover, there are extrinsic and intrinsic factors that both push the player to perform at their best. Perhaps a girlfriend, teammate, or coach who expects the best out of you, or you yourself fighting to exit the qualifiers with a resounding (and epic) win. All that contrasts with simple laziness; I don't think there's a comparison Thats purely theoretical though, because it simply isn't the case in practice, as is seen in just about any professional level competition, regardless of what game or sport is being played. It isn't as though he would make a conscious decision to not play his hardest, playing SC at the top level (or even average joe Diamond player) is particularly demanding mentally. The issue is about having the mental focus and desire to play at your absolute best, and it is much less likely to be achieved when you have much less to play for. I have to agree with ch0c0b0fr34k. Particularly looking at your last line there. They will have the mental focus if they have the desire to play, and choco's post lists many possible desires. I understand that these desires might not be as great as making money,qualifying for whatever,etc but I believe if you have any desire you can get into that mental state, it's not like it takes SO much out of you to try your best that you'd rather just wing it.
Those desires are intrinsic with just about every form of competition that has ever been played between a couple of human beings, and yet you would find many examples throughout any sport of athletes/teams capitulating when it doesn't matter, and finding that extra edge when something very important is on the line.
My point isn't that you can't play your best when you have nothing to gain, its just that his argument is particularly flawed in justifying the point. Theres a lot more to it than simply not being lazy and "playing one more game to their fullest". If it was as easy as simply wanting to play your best, you wouldn't have bad days where you can't motivate yourself, even though you want to.
In this case the biggest motivator is pride and avoiding embarrassment, which he seemed to trivialise with his reponse.
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New Dawn 6-0 :-O
How did he play ? A Summary of his games please.
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o god. here was i wondering why the 12pm matches are set before the 6pm matches in that list.
At least i learned that 12pm = 12am actually.
hope those last matches are decent, but still annoyed i missed all fOu action.
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I've mised the b group matches  , oh well atleast there is still c group to watch.
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Stream is unwatchable tonight........ Just constantly stops.
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Monster getting cannon rushed big time.
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Korea (South)855 Posts
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On December 15 2010 18:08 JunkkaGom wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 18:05 snow2.0 wrote:
o god. here was i wondering why the 12pm matches are set before the 6pm matches in that list.
At least i learned that 12pm = 12am actually.
hope those last matches are decent, but still annoyed i missed all fOu action. Sorry, Blizzard announced that there will be patch on Thursday so we had to squeeze the schedule into one day.
1.2!!!!! :O? most likely though...
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On December 15 2010 18:05 snow2.0 wrote:
hope those last matches are decent, but still annoyed i missed all fOu action.
WOW a cannon rush first game. woohoo. Can't get enough of those based on ladder experience.
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On December 15 2010 17:50 pyro19 wrote:
New Dawn 6-0 :-O
How did he play ? A Summary of his games please.
New Dawn's the MOST impressive A Class player so far. His games were all very good.
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On December 15 2010 18:08 JunkkaGom wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 18:05 snow2.0 wrote:
o god. here was i wondering why the 12pm matches are set before the 6pm matches in that list.
At least i learned that 12pm = 12am actually.
hope those last matches are decent, but still annoyed i missed all fOu action. Sorry, Blizzard announced that there will be patch on Thursday so we had to squeeze the schedule into one day.
so it actually was scheduled for the usual GSL times, noon/evening GMT? pity.
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When the cannon on the high ground was warping in, why didn't Monster attack that one instead of the one on the bottom?
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On December 15 2010 18:08 JunkkaGom wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 18:05 snow2.0 wrote:
o god. here was i wondering why the 12pm matches are set before the 6pm matches in that list.
At least i learned that 12pm = 12am actually.
hope those last matches are decent, but still annoyed i missed all fOu action. Sorry, Blizzard announced that there will be patch on Thursday so we had to squeeze the schedule into one day.
Wait, so they are releasing the balance patch two days before the GSL final? Surely that can't be right...
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What a stupid game, yuck.
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