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bellweather
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States404 Posts
June 11 2010 00:25 GMT
#441
On June 11 2010 08:57 trace wm wrote:
Man, Fiddlesticks is brutal. This one hero held our entire team by the throat the whole game. As Heimer I went 10-8-13, and 6 of my deaths were from him. We won in the end, but we only ever made progress after teamganking Fiddle 4 times in a row.


Just play Janna and press "R"; problem solved.
A mathematician is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat which isnt' there. -Charles Darwin
FlameSworD
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States414 Posts
June 11 2010 00:37 GMT
#442
On June 11 2010 07:25 redtooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2010 07:13 iG.ClouD wrote:
Bought Corki and XP boost on a new US server account, hope it's possible to reach level 30 in a week
good luck playing ~250 games lol.


with 300% boost i heard u can get a lv 30 in 8 days
skyhighftw on iccup
pokeyAA
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States936 Posts
June 11 2010 00:40 GMT
#443
Too bad no word of any double IP week coming up? I really regret not getting the IP boosts that week to make it quadruple IP.
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
June 11 2010 01:03 GMT
#444
On June 11 2010 09:25 InsideTheBox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2010 08:57 trace wm wrote:
Man, Fiddlesticks is brutal. This one hero held our entire team by the throat the whole game. As Heimer I went 10-8-13, and 6 of my deaths were from him. We won in the end, but we only ever made progress after teamganking Fiddle 4 times in a row.


Just play Janna and press "R"; problem solved.


Or you can just win button (R) him as warwick
G0dly
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States450 Posts
June 11 2010 01:03 GMT
#445
anybody got a good build for kayle or corki?

I've got those two heroes unlocked and want to learn them

The Emperor - The Genius - The Cheater - The Maestro
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
June 11 2010 01:33 GMT
#446
On June 11 2010 10:03 Abenson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2010 09:25 InsideTheBox wrote:
On June 11 2010 08:57 trace wm wrote:
Man, Fiddlesticks is brutal. This one hero held our entire team by the throat the whole game. As Heimer I went 10-8-13, and 6 of my deaths were from him. We won in the end, but we only ever made progress after teamganking Fiddle 4 times in a row.


Just play Janna and press "R"; problem solved.


Or you can just win button (R) him as warwick
during a crowstorm?
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-orb-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
June 11 2010 01:35 GMT
#447
On June 11 2010 08:57 trace wm wrote:
Man, Fiddlesticks is brutal. This one hero held our entire team by the throat the whole game. As Heimer I went 10-8-13, and 6 of my deaths were from him. We won in the end, but we only ever made progress after teamganking Fiddle 4 times in a row.


Maybe it's changed since when I last played but that could be due to Fiddle hard countering Heimer.

+ Show Spoiler +
Last time I played heimer was the worst champ on the planet... I insta queue dodged anyone playing him lolz
'life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery'
how sad that sc2 has no shield battery :(
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
June 11 2010 01:39 GMT
#448
On June 11 2010 10:35 -orb- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2010 08:57 trace wm wrote:
Man, Fiddlesticks is brutal. This one hero held our entire team by the throat the whole game. As Heimer I went 10-8-13, and 6 of my deaths were from him. We won in the end, but we only ever made progress after teamganking Fiddle 4 times in a row.


Maybe it's changed since when I last played but that could be due to Fiddle hard countering Heimer.

+ Show Spoiler +
Last time I played heimer was the worst champ on the planet... I insta queue dodged anyone playing him lolz


Heimer got really redone in a lot of ways. He's an evil little bastard now.

Ice turrets > me.
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
June 11 2010 01:40 GMT
#449
If the other team has a strong (possibly fed) hero and they also have a good Heimer, the chances of making a comeback become really slim, because it's really nasty attacking into Heimer, and Heimer can also force the issue by grenading your towers to death.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
-orb-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
June 11 2010 01:51 GMT
#450
On June 11 2010 10:40 Southlight wrote:
If the other team has a strong (possibly fed) hero and they also have a good Heimer, the chances of making a comeback become really slim, because it's really nasty attacking into Heimer, and Heimer can also force the issue by grenading your towers to death.


wtf grenades do damage to towers now

lol that's just silly
'life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery'
how sad that sc2 has no shield battery :(
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
June 11 2010 02:03 GMT
#451
I'm starting to run into people that hate me for picking Heimer though, I'm gonna pick up an alternate.

I forgot to add myself to the userlist though:

Summoner name: spiderland. List me as TL account myopia (I'm waiting for a name change)
it's my first day
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
June 11 2010 02:12 GMT
#452
On June 11 2010 10:51 -orb- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2010 10:40 Southlight wrote:
If the other team has a strong (possibly fed) hero and they also have a good Heimer, the chances of making a comeback become really slim, because it's really nasty attacking into Heimer, and Heimer can also force the issue by grenading your towers to death.


wtf grenades do damage to towers now

lol that's just silly


Grenades always did damage to towers, its one of two things that can out range a tower (the other is a max level tristana due to her passive)
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
June 11 2010 02:21 GMT
#453
Aggggg, I can't get out of the habit of "saving someone else" with kayle's ult. I keep forgetting that, most of the time, I'm at least the second highest DPS character on the team and that I should just use it on myself.
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-11 12:23:08
June 11 2010 02:29 GMT
#454
Since we seem to have a lot of new players recently...

Sivir Guide

Overview: Sivir is a highly versatile champion. She has a good nuke, a good defensive skill, a good autoattack skill, and a good team buff. All of these are important -- if you don't make good use of even one of them, you'll have a very difficult time playing Sivir. Use them all, however, and you can make a significant contribution to your team in a number of ways. This build in this guide is relatively generic and flexible.

Skills:

Q E Q W Q R Q W Q W R W W E E R E E

Commentary: Sivir's skill-order is pretty much fixed. In some rare cases, you'll want to emphasize spellshield (E) more than usual, but at least 90% of the time you'll use this pattern.

Items:

Doran's ring
Health Potion
Boots
Vampiric Scepter
*Better boots
*Stark's Fervor
*Aegis of the Legion
Bloodthirster
Last Whisper or Brutalizer

Up to vampiric scepter is basically fixed. After that, you can optionally get the two team items (aegis/stark's). This is situational -- does your team have the champions and skill level to take advantage of either/both of these? For boots, you want merc treads for cc/ap-heavy teams, tabi for dps-heavy teams, and 'zerkers otherwise. Bloodthirster is great on Sivir -- she fills it up fast, and gets a big kick from it. For your next armor pen item, consider whether enemies are stacking armor or not. If yes, go with LW, if not, brutalizer. After this, it's all situational: Infinity Edge? Banshee's Veil? Thornmail? Guardian Angel? All have their place.

Runes:

Red: armor pen or attack speed
Yellow: Mana/5 (flat or scaling; I use flat)
Blue: CD reduction or magic resist
Quints: Flat health

Masteries:

You have two main options here. 9/0/21 (mana regen, magic pen, and cooldowns should be emphasized) or 0/21/9 (mana regen and dodge emphasized). A number of other variations are possible.

Summoner spells:

Flash, teleport, and rally are all great on Sivir, and I'd recommend some combination thereof. Ghost, cleanse, and exhaust are ok, but not as good as those first three.

Playing Sivir:

Skills:

Q -- Boomerang Blade:
-This is a great harass skill -- one of the best in the game
-Early on, don't use it to farm -- you'll overpush the lane
-Emphasize this skill at ODD levels -- using it at even levels is vastly less efficient in terms of damage for mana
-At level 2 (champ level 3), this can one-shot the small wraiths from mid lane. Getting yours is a good boost. Getting your opponent's is even better
-At level 5, this can one-shot all wraiths from the mid lane
-It's not intuitive, but it's easier to hit, and hit twice, with this skill from its maximum range
-The maximum range of this skill is notably longer than the circle indicates. Enemies standing beyond the circle can still be hit twice; enemies standing a good chunk beyond it can still be hit

W - Ricochet
-This skill uses only damage and attack speed
-Great in teamfights/farming
-You can harass with this, but its random nature makes it unreliable
-The bounce radius is much, much longer than Sivir's attack range

E - Spell shield
-Some skills are bugged. For example, shielding Pantheon's jump will not prevent the stun
-If you successfully shield, you gain 125 mana (the skill costs 75 mana). Since solo mid duels are often about mana efficiency, making an opponent's skill use worthless while regaining mana is a big deal
-Some skills are easier or more important to shield than others. Against Karthus, and Ashe, this is great. Against Anivia, be careful. Against Kat, good luck
-The only thing adding points to this does is reduce the cooldown
-You can use this to walk through fields, such as Karthus' slow and Veigar's stun

R - On the hunt
-This affects allies, as well as allied creeps. Use it to quickly push lanes/towers, or help allies hit faster and flee/chase better in teamfights
-You can sometimes save an ally being chased by multiple enemies by running close enough to them and activating this skill, allowing you both to escape

Tactics:
-If you're mid, note all the information about skills above, especially boomerang blade. Using it mainly at odd levels, and killing wraith camps from mid, is a big deal.

-You don't gank well, but you can sometimes provide enough damage to make the difference. Your ult can also help chase/finish ganks.

-Your Vampiric Scepter is your key to the jungle. Once you have this, you can tank down creep camps pretty easily, especially if you use boomerang blade. If no one else on your team is taking your jungle, don't let that free xp/cash (or those buffs!) sit there.

-While you'll need more than your Vampiric Scepter to take down dragon, you can solo it with a bit more damage. If you can get a DPS teammate to help, your ult will let you finish him off in record time.

-As a squishy who buffs the entire team, you're a good target. As a character with a built-in Banshee's Veil, you're great bait. If you start pushing a lane, your opponents will often attack you, since you push hard and are an important target. If you have allies standing by, you can spellshield + ult to turn the gank around.

-Remember that ricochet is only buffed by attack speed and damage. That doesn't mean you shouldn't get things like pen, lifesteal, or procs, but they won't synergize with ricochet.
radmax86
Profile Joined September 2004
United States437 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-11 02:37:25
June 11 2010 02:34 GMT
#455
On June 11 2010 11:12 Phrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2010 10:51 -orb- wrote:
On June 11 2010 10:40 Southlight wrote:
If the other team has a strong (possibly fed) hero and they also have a good Heimer, the chances of making a comeback become really slim, because it's really nasty attacking into Heimer, and Heimer can also force the issue by grenading your towers to death.


wtf grenades do damage to towers now

lol that's just silly


Grenades always did damage to towers, its one of two things that can out range a tower (the other is a max level tristana due to her passive)


Unless I'm retarded, tristana doesnt outrange towers. Her max range is 703, I think towers have a range of 750
Rising_Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States370 Posts
June 11 2010 02:56 GMT
#456
On June 11 2010 11:12 Phrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2010 10:51 -orb- wrote:
On June 11 2010 10:40 Southlight wrote:
If the other team has a strong (possibly fed) hero and they also have a good Heimer, the chances of making a comeback become really slim, because it's really nasty attacking into Heimer, and Heimer can also force the issue by grenading your towers to death.


wtf grenades do damage to towers now

lol that's just silly


Grenades always did damage to towers, its one of two things that can out range a tower (the other is a max level tristana due to her passive)


Hence AP heimer = win. Any other build is pretty horrific.
Early to bed and early to rise, makes a man stupid and blind in the eyes
radmax86
Profile Joined September 2004
United States437 Posts
June 11 2010 03:16 GMT
#457
Doran ring heimer = win
Kaltra
Profile Joined May 2010
United States6 Posts
June 11 2010 03:29 GMT
#458
TL ID: Kaltra
LoL ID: Kaltra
Summoner Level: 30
Country: US
Server: US
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
June 11 2010 03:31 GMT
#459
On June 11 2010 12:16 radmax86 wrote:
Doran ring heimer = win


I've been following the guide on the top of this page, which is:

meki's + 2 health pots

then chalice, boots, kage's

then possibly meja's, or go straight to rod of ages

deathfire's grasp

void staff


it's my first day
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
June 11 2010 03:57 GMT
#460
how viable is kassadin?
I want to get him just because he's like a dt...
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