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Well that is where I disagree with your thought logic, everyone is a blank slate. Everyone should put 100% into proving to other townies that they are town, this means analysing posts, posting their scum reads and circles. We are the team with imperfect knowledge compared to the scum that knows who the town are and therefore have the upperhand in guiding the logic of the town.
Having a verbal waterfall while it can be useful in the early stages at getting the ball rolling does not contribute as much as you may think. It is hard to determine if someone who says everything on their mind is just doing it to fit into a town perspective and seem like a town or if they are doing it to throw people off their scum trail. I would much rather believe someone who has done a thought out analytical filtered post than somebody who is just saying what is on their mind. This is why both you and alakaslam seemed suspicious to both me and a few others earlier on.
A town read can give people a false perspective, especially post day 1 lynching, if you have posted one of your town reads that gets lynched and it flips to a scum who do you think the suspicion is drawn to? If you are a town it is better to keep these things to yourself and later on in the game you can announce who you think would be in your town circle as well as who is scum.
This video WATCH THIS TOWNIES explains some of the reasoning that I am getting behind (only 30 mins) and is also helpful for newer players who want to know how to play town.
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Was just about the post the same thoughts holy. Noting every single thought in the thread is a terrible idea if you are town.
As you say holy, its a simple way for scum to fit in since you dont really have to commit to any single post.
But also its not very productive. If you have a thought you should first pursue it yourself and compare against filters/other posts/votes etc and develop it in to an idea or theory, thats the work you are supposed to do as town.
Spamming single thoughts and nitpicking on a single post is largely useless.
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"a majority of the people there are working for the same side, working for the same goal"
that line from the video (still watching) sums up my position on how to treat players in the game, so being constantly suspicious of others is not actually productive.
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On August 01 2013 04:31 Zyrre wrote:
Was just about the post the same thoughts holy. Noting every single thought in the thread is a terrible idea if you are town.
As you say holy, its a simple way for scum to fit in since you dont really have to commit to any single post.
But also its not very productive. If you have a thought you should first pursue it yourself and compare against filters/other posts/votes etc and develop it in to an idea or theory, thats the work you are supposed to do as town.
Spamming single thoughts and nitpicking on a single post is largely useless.
just saw that after I posted.
Zyrre, t.t
like
did you even say anything? I think you just said basically everything that flare said. liiiiike, why did you post that?
"was just about to post the same thoughts holy."
That line specifically
who cares? why would you bother posting it if he has the same thoughts?
Like, you're trying to get yourself into the discussion without saying anything.
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oh also Holyflare, what do you think of Infii so far?
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As I was typing my reply I realized I might not have been as clear as I hoped. I was agreeing with holy and additionally trying to explain why it was counter-productive(other than the reason holy posted: mafia can easily hide in there).
What I was trying to explain was that single thoughts/comments are useless on their own, it is only a larger theory that is interesting. Partly because its so non-commital, but mostly because the meaning behind it is what is important.
So: townies should gather their thoughts while reading the thread and try to piece them together to form a theory.
I also dont feel me agreeing was completely redundant as it was a discussion about what we want/dont want townies to do.
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thanks for clarifying, that single post read, to me, as a slipped in attempt to appear like you were contributing :3
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Hey guys!
In my opinion we should not kill anyone today but wait and let the investigators do the investigations. Perhaps there isn't even a SK and then everything would be fine!
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On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote:
Unfortunately I can't be as active as I would like to be, but I'll try to post as often as I can.
So I'll go ahead and tell you my thoughts up until now after reading all the posts.
Umasi is at the top of my suspicious-list right now, because it seems he tries to stir things up and doesn't act neutral in any way. (e.g. anti deus - pro reps).
However that is not enough for me to vote on him... it's still the first day, right?
DeusXmachina took an early stance which backfired at him so now he tries to get clear of it. Seems legit aka town.
Holyflare is pretty neutral until now, which is good.
reps)squishy has stirred up some suspicion but that seemed to be unintentional, also I liked his defense.
Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people.
StiMaDDict acts generally neutral, seems like town.
Alakaslam's last posts were totally bonkers. No idea what he is up to.
Again, this were just my thoughts about everyone active in this discussion up until now, there are no facts that I can claim to be true or false.
This is his only noteworthy contribution so far, it is weak at best and is somewhere on my radar, however, it is more contribution than others have put forward. It is hard to get a read on him and I'd like some more indepth analysis from him before I make my decision.
I am also very interested to hear from Deus right now on his opinion of things.
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fair enough, and in a similar vein, I still want you to talk reps.
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On August 01 2013 04:54 sc_a.M wrote:
Hey guys!
In my opinion we should not kill anyone today but wait and let the investigators do the investigations. Perhaps there isn't even a SK and then everything would be fine!
hey there sc_
I think that you might have misunderstood how this game goes :3
All of the work that town does is through day time votes. Relying on the night phase is not something we should do, there is more to the game than just waiting for the night phase, because mafia can kill someone every night.
Voting to no lynch squanders the towns power, and this game isn't nearly as simple as you make it sound :3
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On August 01 2013 04:54 sc_a.M wrote:
Hey guys!
In my opinion we should not kill anyone today but wait and let the investigators do the investigations. Perhaps there isn't even a SK and then everything would be fine!
That sounds so much pro scum that it almost can't be true. Please clarify your post if you are town.
On August 01 2013 04:54 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote:
Unfortunately I can't be as active as I would like to be, but I'll try to post as often as I can.
So I'll go ahead and tell you my thoughts up until now after reading all the posts.
Umasi is at the top of my suspicious-list right now, because it seems he tries to stir things up and doesn't act neutral in any way. (e.g. anti deus - pro reps).
However that is not enough for me to vote on him... it's still the first day, right?
DeusXmachina took an early stance which backfired at him so now he tries to get clear of it. Seems legit aka town.
Holyflare is pretty neutral until now, which is good.
reps)squishy has stirred up some suspicion but that seemed to be unintentional, also I liked his defense.
Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people.
StiMaDDict acts generally neutral, seems like town.
Alakaslam's last posts were totally bonkers. No idea what he is up to.
Again, this were just my thoughts about everyone active in this discussion up until now, there are no facts that I can claim to be true or false. This is his only noteworthy contribution so far, it is weak at best and is somewhere on my radar, however, it is more contribution than others have put forward. It is hard to get a read on him and I'd like some more indepth analysis from him before I make my decision. I am also very interested to hear from Deus right now on his opinion of things.
I'm sorry but you won't get an indepth analysis from me on day 1 (maybe even day2). There is just not enough information on everyone, that would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. (is this even a common phrase in english?)
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Anyone, anyone! That defends me in the smallest way (Usami) you should be super suspicious of them it's the oldest move in the mafia strategy.
hey I'm around. I still like deus for scum, and by transition not sold on reps being scum.
Here is his defense.
Anyone that votes to lynch me is town. Mafia won't waste a lynch someone that the town is going to lynch already.
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Infii, why did you pop in to comment and basically say nothing, and then tell us you don't plan on saying anything? And you're defensive! What are you trying to accomplish by that? Address things other than yourself and generic town lists, because that just looks like you attempting to appear to contribute.
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On August 01 2013 05:49 Umasi wrote:
Infii, why did you pop in to comment and basically say nothing, and then tell us you don't plan on saying anything? And you're defensive! What are you trying to accomplish by that? Address things other than yourself and generic town lists, because that just looks like you attempting to appear to contribute.
In which way did I say nothing?
My post was targeted mainly at sc_a.M.
The no-analysis thing was meant as a side note to clarify my thoughts on it...
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You just threw in a comment about sc_
like, "dude what the hell?"
That's not exactly saying a lot, there is a LOT to talk about.
And you just were like,
"guys there's nothing to analyze :<<<<"
like, you said NOTHING. It told us NOTHING about what you're thinking that's independent of what others are thinking (yeah, literally everyone will look at sc_s first post and go "wtf")
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I am back. A lot has gone on, and there is a lot I want to talk about so this is going to be a long post. The focus of this post will still be on reps, however I wanted to address a couple things first.
Alakaslam votes me because of the Kenpachi rule. Lol. That is just stupid. I never attacked a VT claim. Asking if Alakaslam can be trusted because he claimed VT super early is hardly an attack.
There is some talk on people who are being neutral and others who are not contributing that much. Honestly, I think we should wait to target these people. If they are persistently neutral or lurking throughout multiple days then we have more reason to be suspicious. That being said, why would you even want to stay neutral? Being a vocal townie is not a bad thing. Just imagine if every legit townie was trying to be extremely pro town. Scum couldn't target one specific individual, and town would have a great basis for analyzing potential scum posts, i.e. a post that was trying to appear pro town.
Okay, I still want to focus on reps. If reps is scum and he gets lynched, WOOT good job townies. If reps is a bad townie and he gets lynched, WOOT good job townies. Has anyone actually disagreed that reps is either scum or a bad townie?
On July 31 2013 07:59 reps)squishy wrote:
So I have read a few TL Mafia games to try to get a grasp of the game. People love lynching people who don't post. What do you guys think of non-posters? Should we lynch them and hang them in the entrance of the town to let them all see that scums are not allowed here?
Honestly this didn't contribute much at all. In fact most of his posts are pointless. But here is what Interests me. Reps says he has been reading up on a few TL Mafia games and expresses his interest in non posters. He hasn't posted that much, at time he has been a complete lurker, and again non of his posts are actually that meaningful. For someone who has been reading TL Mafia games your doing a really shitty job so far reps, no offense. Furthermore, if he has been reading TL Mafia games why the hell does he appear so newbie still?
Evidence of pointless posts: (I am not going to quote them because there is a lot)
1. Welcome Nightcat you have missed just about nothing.
2. Yeah just use the edit button and that thing.
3. Quotes me and says, "Meaningless fluff is awesome! But I guess that is not something to do."
4. oh (are you kidding me reps....)
5. Quotes and then says, "Happy?" (seriously............)
6. sc_a.M has not posted since the game has started. RDaneelOlivaw posted one fluff since the game started.
7. A picture (my favorite)
Okay a lot of pointless posts there. He has not contributed much. That seems scummy to me.
Furthermore, his defense of my accusation was poor.
On July 31 2013 14:48 reps)squishy wrote:
My response to skeptics.
He said he is a newbie multiple times!
Pff, oops I said I was a newbie to many times that does not decide what role I am.
He didnt edit his post, he found out he cant edit his post at the middle of him posting and decided to tell us about it. There is just something fishy about that.
scroll up there is another post that I almost edited. Almost looks exactly the same scrubby mistake.
My mistakes have made me look pretty scummy. But assure me saying I was new was me being truthful. Me claiming I was a noob should not decide if I am scum or not.
He doesn't even thwart any suspicion here, instead he actually claims his actions were scummy, which means that accusation was warranted.
Couple more things. Ill be brief.
Why would he vote Umasi? That makes little sense. He votes Umasi because Umasi came under recent suspicion. That seem like he is trying to blend in to me. Furthermore he presses his attack against Umasi, saying that anyone who defends him, like Umasi did, should appear suspicious? WAT? Yeah maybe if you are scum than anyone who defends you should appear suspicious. But if your townie why do you care? Furthermore, that is certanly not a reason to vote Umasi.
In conclusion, At best he is a bad townie and we should lynch him. However, he seems very scummy to me.
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Man, why is everyone so scummy this game...
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Indeed his Umasi vote is why I got suspicious- but on top of that he is ACTUALLY the stronger attack on Kenpachi. But whatever.
Your case strong, your defense good.
##Unvote Deus in that thread
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So Deus if I read you right you would rather lynch reps because he is detrimental town than a lurker...
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Ace's quote about town being only as good as the worst not actively detrimental poster makes me wonder about this. Probably a good idea. However, for good measure, why him over scam?
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