Ok I only skimmed the last page and managed to miss that roleclaim bfore my last post. Obvious follow up question to Sharrant then -I assume you discussed this roleclaim idea with your mason partner? why did your partner not tell you to drop this dumb roleclaim idea and explain to you how the game worked, or did you confuse them too?

JacobStrangelove

Australia1572 Posts

September 19 2012 21:29 GMT

#385

I am leaving in 10 minutes but I better clear this up. (in relation to my previous post) in other words I am kinda using negitive elimination with my voting here cubu while usless has no evidence against him, and is an easy target for scum to switch too with no retrubution, killing I don't think is as scum as anyother lurker.(infact slightly less) Sharrant also claimed very late considering how many people said they wouldn't be here. (More likely to be a scum move not giving people time to think)

Also just noticed killings post, I think I know the answer to that but I shouldn't say just incase.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

September 19 2012 21:30 GMT

#386

@killing I understand it as sharrant is not roleclaiming. He was trying to get debears to roleclaim mason. I think that's it.

Sharrant

Canada543 Posts

September 19 2012 21:31 GMT

#387

No, Kush, I am mason. I was trying to get debears to claim it so I would catch him and Thrawn lying, but the fact that there can be multiple mason pairs made that a moot tell, and I dropped it as soon as I found that out.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 19 2012 21:32 GMT

#388

On September 20 2012 06:30 kushm4sta wrote:
@killing I understand it as sharrant is not roleclaiming. He was trying to get debears to roleclaim mason. I think that's it.

uh, no. he claimed mason, somewhere on page 19

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 19 2012 21:34 GMT

#389

Sharrant, the logical conclusion of that plan was that both you and your mason partner would have to roleclaim right?

KillingTime

France101 Posts

September 19 2012 21:35 GMT

#390

yeah he did claim, also - nvm Starrant about my question, I retract it. (because I worked out all the possible answers and none help town)

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

September 19 2012 21:35 GMT

#391

So isn't this a roleclaim that we can't prove one way or another?

Sharrant

Canada543 Posts

September 19 2012 21:35 GMT

#392

Yes. Ending up going 2 for 2 with mafia provided you claimed mason, and if you claimed VT, I would've moved back onto Killing, or found the next scummiest outside of you and debears.

Sharrant

Canada543 Posts

September 19 2012 21:37 GMT

#393

It is provable. But I have to out my partner to do so. And then you have to decide whether I'm stupid enough as mafia to end up outting another mafia to die with me, or whether I'm stupid enough as a mason to kill my fellow mason. At this point I am very close to calling him out though.

Sonic Death Monkey

Sweden991 Posts

September 19 2012 21:38 GMT

#394

I think this is probably the time to point out why I had some doubts about the Sharrant lynch.

After his wagon started, he responded to all accusations quickly and with long posts. First, it's really hard as scum to respond quickly and in detail to accusations, because it's so easy to slip up if you don't go back and think things through. Second, he does it without any obvious contradictions. The few contradictions can quite easily be explained by slightly weird phrasing or misunderstanding. Third, all his answers made logical sense. The only thing that left me confused was "the plan". I didn't figure it out for being what he now claims and I need to go back and think about this.

I realize this isn't a strong indications, but for me it provided some counter weight to the existing case.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

September 19 2012 21:40 GMT

#395

Mason pairs do not seem that valuable except to confirm each other town. So yeah if people don't change their mind about lynching you I would say definitely call out your partner.

Atreides-

United States103 Posts

September 19 2012 21:41 GMT

#396

Oh man, what an interesting situation. Some possible outcomes:

1) We decide to lynch Sharrant, he then outs the other mason. Pretty bad outcome as the mason will simply die.

2) Sharrant outs a mason, he confirms, and we lynch cubu or killing. At this point it's very unlikely for both Sharrant and his ally to be mafia, and more likely for both to be masons. Relatively strong outcome.

3) We lynch Sharrant without him revealing the mason. If he was bluffing and flips red, this is a huge win, but it's a stretch. If he flips mason, we're in trouble.

4) Sharrant doesn't reveal the mason and we lynch cubu or killing. This seems like rolling the dice, as we wouldn't have any idea if Sharrant is lying or not, and it's very possible for us to lynch a townie on top of that.

I'm leaning towards 2) as an option right now unless something changes.

From the description it sounds like masons come in pairs, and it'd be extremely unlikely for there to be more than 2 masons in any case. If I'm wrong on any of the game mechanics here please correct me.

I feel that both Killing and Stutters are slightly scummy/lurky but cubu sounds like a strong vote as well. I was hoping for him to post by now.

##unvote
##vote cubu

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts

September 19 2012 21:42 GMT

#397

On September 20 2012 06:08 Stutters695 wrote:

Just would like a clarification for future reference since the rules don't mention it one way or another; Are we allowed to vote no lynch?

Yes

Sonic Death Monkey

Sweden991 Posts

September 19 2012 21:44 GMT

#398

On September 20 2012 06:25 KillingTime wrote:
Ok I only skimmed the last page and managed to miss that roleclaim bfore my last post. Obvious follow up question to Sharrant then -I assume you discussed this roleclaim idea with your mason partner? why did your partner not tell you to drop this dumb roleclaim idea and explain to you how the game worked, or did you confuse them too?

This is a good question. Sharrant's mason claim hinges on the fact that not only was he unaware of the rules, but also his mason partner. It just seems unlikely.

Respond to this, Sharrant.

Sharrant

Canada543 Posts

September 19 2012 21:44 GMT

#399

Welp, I guess I may as well. It'll save him in the long run, if enough of you had believed me about being Mason without confirming him, you probably would have killed him for lurking anyways.

Actually, I've changed my mind about this. If I out him most likely only one of us dies tonight, a confirmed townie will survive, and best of all, it will possibly save a blue's life.

So here's the part where you guys either instantly decide I'm guilty by assosciation, or whether I just am the mason with the shittiest luck ever.

My mason buddy... is (drum roll please)... CUBU

The current post count in our QT is 10, 8 posts by me, 2 by Marvel! Hooray!

KillingTime

France101 Posts

September 19 2012 21:49 GMT

#400

..... can't decide if you are seriously trolling us now or what. (btw I was pretty sure it was Atreides for obvious reasons.)