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ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 24 2013 15:31 GMT
#2841
On September 25 2013 00:27 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 00:24 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 25 2013 00:12 marvellosity wrote:
On September 25 2013 00:11 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm awake. Going to do some serious analysis today since I've gone from bedridden to just a moderate fever. I'll be fielding questions if anyone has any while I work


Yeah. Why did you go to bed at the end of Day 1 with a total peace-out type vote and post, 3 hours after your previous post in the thread, addressing absolutely nothing that occurred?


I had already addressed who I wanted to see lynched, had to go to bed and since kush wasn't an option so I voted who was the next best option in my opinion.


You just, ya know, didn't give a fuck at all to comment on either of the hot candidates at the time?

Didn't really see the need of getting involved with finding a decent lynch, no?

This resonates strongly with me re: both candidates were town. Fuck it. Not waiting for FT to answer. Go into his filter and read everything on the first two pages without the cloud of your current decision about his alignment and tell me that's not a town filter. I am more concerned about how his wagon formed so effectively.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
September 24 2013 15:33 GMT
#2842
That's not a town filter. :3
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 24 2013 15:34 GMT
#2843
On September 25 2013 00:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's not a town filter. :3

It totally is.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 24 2013 15:36 GMT
#2844
I'm actually once again really annoyed by the host things at the end of Day 1. It's next to impossible to make anywhere near as firm judgements on anything as you're supposed to be able to because of how far out of whack the deadlines were.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
September 24 2013 15:37 GMT
#2845
On September 25 2013 00:28 marvellosity wrote:
like, you came back to the thread 3 hours after your previous post, and you really felt no compulsion to comment on anything, but to just drop a vote and leave?

I know this is shitty for the game, but I've been sick and was watching a movie with my girlfriend. After talking with you earlier I was done with mafia for the day. The only reason I came back was because I didn't want to get modkilled because I can still establIsh I'm town when I have time to play.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 24 2013 15:40 GMT
#2846
Hey Stutters a quick question. Are you at work now or what did you mean by saying "while working" a couple of posts ago?
table for two on a tv tray
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
September 24 2013 15:40 GMT
#2847
OO you never once mentioned FT during D1. Rather you did, but it was on accident and you meant LM.

If he's so blatantly obviously town from his first 2 pages in the game, why didn't you buck his lynch at all on D1? He was a leading candidate and you never mentioned him at all.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
September 24 2013 15:41 GMT
#2848
While reading the thread. I'm in food service, I'm not working with a fever lol
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 24 2013 15:44 GMT
#2849
On September 25 2013 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 00:22 Mocsta wrote:
On September 25 2013 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta, i would really like you to explain this:

At the end of D1 you voted for FirmTofu.
On N1 i see no posts from you that make me think your scumread on him has weakened.
Then, at the end of N1 you say this:
(2) FirmTofu
In my opinion he is either a scum agent sent to fuck with the thread (a la Blazinghand role) OR retarded town.
Im inclined to think retarded town. Im not heavily experienced with firmtofu, but I know based on post-game discussions, that he believes he makes beneficial pro-town decisions -> even when the whole thread is against him. This kinda feels like that. I will admit his posting gives me a zen-like calmness too. Its slow and methodical, but in a good way. I kept the read at null cos the above is just all gut. I dont really have a hard stance on him based on filter specifics. I dont think he is a good vig shot as the chances of flipping town are higher than some other choices in my opinion.


Now you are bringing up vote analysis from D1 and want marv to discuss them, yet you are unwilling to to discuss FT "because he is not most likely to flip mafia" according to you.


What has changed? What in FT's posting has ACTUALLY made you think he is town? And why do you want to discuss things straightly related to his alignment but you are unwilling to discuss FT himself?

I dont get the problem, we are talking about two isolated events.

(1) = FT filter
(2) = Read outcomes from a FT flip


What I wrote end of Night1 *is* my take on FT. Im not going to stop anyone else talking about him, because, im not a god of mafia and clearly can be wrong. Im saying, hes not my focus at all.. a fuck face like that. i coul read his filter 10 times and still not be certain if i want to lynch him.


So to answer your questions
(1) Indicators for town?
- Zen-like feeling in posts. Even though its obviously refined/constructed.. its a different type.

- The way he kept stopping himself from reading the thread, by engaging in live convo BUT still ensured he read the thread.
*This mimics my play replacing into "the game". I personally think scum replace into the game by either, waiting to read the whole thread and then making an impact.. or forgoing reading the thread all together and just start from the live point (a la DP in personality 2) Sorry.. personal heuristic, whether right or wrong.

- Has the guy actually pushed a scum agenda? Yes he is posting as if hes in the town leadership circle (e.g. submitting his own vig list).. but, hes not getting traction, and does it actually read as deceitful?

(2)Why do I want to discuss things related to his alignment but not willing to discuss him.
I believe this is answered by the above.

The q to marv, was curiosity about the information we could gain. I was trying to ascertain whether the best course of action was for an information lynch; or scum lynch. (Obviously bonus points if info lynch gives a scum lynch).

(1) My problem is your explanation does not really make sense to me because your interactions towards FT on N1 do not support what you are saying about the "zen-posting". I don't see you thinking "okay, fuck, this guy could be town aswell" from your posts towards FT on N1. Also why do you bring up replacing, FT has been in the game for the whole time, he has not replaced in.

(2) So what's the point of discussing things related to his alignment if you don't know his alignment and are not willing to find it out atm?
I have commented on the zen-posting at least 3 times. Ctrl+F. its the exact phrase I use.

Look, now i played voice mafia with all you guys.. when i read many of your posts, i "hear' you guys speaking to me, and read stuff as if its being spoken (which is how i type anyways - stream of consciousness).... When i hear FTs posts, its just really calming and relaxing. Look i dunno if that should be alignment indicative, but im treating it that way. Sorry.

Regardign replacing... yes you are right. my bad. he came in so late, it felt like a replacement.. hmmmm

(2) Alignment
I actually thought I wrote my stance clearly on why i asked marv.
We clearly have different approaches. Just accept we agree to disagree with this one.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 24 2013 15:44 GMT
#2850
@Rayn: Regarding - Mattchew
OP links are NOT updated. Mattchew filter
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=Mattchew



Im just going to list things that stick out to me whether pro/con and then summarise

+ Show Spoiler +
  • Not sure why his first action is to filter dive 4 specific players
  • Gut read on rayn is meh.. would have expected something more substatial
  • Gives an odd read on Chariman Ray.. almost as if he knows he is town (this stuck out to me a while back).. could just be poor phrasing
  • Where is outcome of his filter dive on 4 specific players?
  • Cuddles Mocsta... via gut again.. none of his posts have any in-game substance
  • Is OK with yam, based on others vote critera; but then later gives a wishywashy comment on yam that implies he only has a soft scum lean.. very odd
  • Asks for opinions on Stutters multiple times, but doesn't flesh out why he is interested (very scummy)
  • Rational of keeping voting on yam is odd... suggests he didnt have a scum read on him when he cast the vote in the first place....which is not consistent with prior comments
  • later puts a scum team which includes stutters.... why the fuck did he not vote stutters instead of yam.. OR prove stutters himself.. (VERY SCUMMY)
  • Really odd comments about marv.... not sure what it means


Overall.
I have a few problems with him
(1) Tries to insinuate stutters is scum through others, but provides no insight of his own. In fact, he doesnt even probe stutters directly to ascertain his alignment.
Exacerbated when he confirms he didnt have a scum read on yamato when voting him... but lists stutters on his scum team (His vote should have been on stutters !!)

(2) When speaking about chariman_ray opener; the phrasing is really odd. Its almost as if he knows the guy is town.. i actually cant pinpoint my issue with it, its just really odd.

(3) I have played voice mafia with this guy twice now. As town, matt is easily able to establish himself. He speaks freely and with confidence, is to the point, and doesn't listen to bullshit. I'm not getting an iota of that this game.



I actually can't see how this guy can be town. His actions are very scummy/deceitful, and I can't picture the motive for a town to keep asking about stutters, without providing personal insight, or querying stutters directly.

Im actually really happy with this guy to be voted. And willing to vote him above anyone else I discussed prior this cycle.

##Unvote
##Vote: Mattchew
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 24 2013 15:46 GMT
#2851
On September 25 2013 00:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
OO you never once mentioned FT during D1. Rather you did, but it was on accident and you meant LM.

If he's so blatantly obviously town from his first 2 pages in the game, why didn't you buck his lynch at all on D1? He was a leading candidate and you never mentioned him at all.

Wow what's this all about. You making this about me, now? This is a big game. I'm not going to talk about every person in the game probably, even by the end. If I didn't mention him D1 then he wasn't a scum read. So.... I don't see where you're going with this. I just came to an official public decision.

Problem?
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
September 24 2013 15:47 GMT
#2852
That is good post and I'm considering changing my vote due to lack of interest in my own preference :/
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 24 2013 15:53 GMT
#2853
On September 25 2013 00:46 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 00:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
OO you never once mentioned FT during D1. Rather you did, but it was on accident and you meant LM.

If he's so blatantly obviously town from his first 2 pages in the game, why didn't you buck his lynch at all on D1? He was a leading candidate and you never mentioned him at all.

Wow what's this all about. You making this about me, now? This is a big game. I'm not going to talk about every person in the game probably, even by the end. If I didn't mention him D1 then he wasn't a scum read. So.... I don't see where you're going with this. I just came to an official public decision.

Problem?


I think the idea is that if someone is a main candidate for lynch and you have a townread on them, it's probably a good idea to mention it.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
September 24 2013 15:53 GMT
#2854
Whatever, no one's talking to me about FT anyway.

Do whatever guys, I'll be reading and if something needs commenting on, I'll comment on it.

##Unvote
##Vote: Mattchew


I've been slowly starting to think Mattchew is scum myself, because of how background-floaty he's been...but Mocsta's post on the matter was really good and I'm comfortable with a Matt lynch. Mocsta if you're scum, I wish I was too.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 24 2013 15:53 GMT
#2855
Mocsta, try reading my filter
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 24 2013 15:54 GMT
#2856
On September 25 2013 00:53 Mattchew wrote:
Mocsta, try reading my filter

I did bbygrl.

Even posted the link
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 24 2013 15:55 GMT
#2857
Matt, you need to make more of an effort.

I think you're town on "feels", but I won't defend you, because the allegations against you have merit, and I could be wrong.

Time to shine, my boy.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
September 24 2013 15:56 GMT
#2858
On September 25 2013 00:53 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 00:46 ObviousOne wrote:
On September 25 2013 00:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
OO you never once mentioned FT during D1. Rather you did, but it was on accident and you meant LM.

If he's so blatantly obviously town from his first 2 pages in the game, why didn't you buck his lynch at all on D1? He was a leading candidate and you never mentioned him at all.

Wow what's this all about. You making this about me, now? This is a big game. I'm not going to talk about every person in the game probably, even by the end. If I didn't mention him D1 then he wasn't a scum read. So.... I don't see where you're going with this. I just came to an official public decision.

Problem?


I think the idea is that if someone is a main candidate for lynch and you have a townread on them, it's probably a good idea to mention it.

I just established that I just established a town read on him. Like today.

Game is hard.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 24 2013 16:00 GMT
#2859
I dont want scum defending me marv
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 24 2013 16:00 GMT
#2860
Tempting to vote you for being a moron.

However, I shall refrain.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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