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On October 11 2012 22:34 Djodref wrote:And one last thing before studying the MUs. @HopelessShow nested quote +On October 11 2012 11:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
/snip
I'll ask again since no one responded last time:
WILL YOU BE AVAILABLE AROUND THE DEADLINE (YES/NO)? PLEASE SELECT ONE RESPONSE.
Hopeless1der: Yes
Deadline is 11am for me and I have a meeting starting at 9am which should end my business trip. So I'm either going to be in meeting or on the way back to Seoul for the deadline. In the latter case, I should be able to check the thread with my phone. Now that I have answered your question, I would really like you to answer mine: Why are so concerned by people being around at deadline or not ? What are you trying to achieve exactly ?
There is usually a panic towards the end of a day to consolidate votes and have crazy things happen during the final hours. With this lynch mechanic, there isn't enough time to properly consolidate and I think knowing who is willing and able to be active during the deadline is very beneficial to town.
Case in point, go look at the way I voted and my concern makes much more sense.
I asked for people's deadline schedules again because 7 out of 11 players (not counting myself) posted without acknowledging the question. There seems to be a severe lack of reading comprehension going on in this thread. da0ud is evidently foreign enough that he gets a pass. The rest of you bastards, not so much.
What I'm trying to achieve is using my votes in the most efficient way possible to maximize town's advantage this cycle. This, of course, assumes I'm town. I'll explain my reasoning later if necessary.
On October 11 2012 21:00 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 20:59 thrawn2112 wrote:On October 11 2012 20:56 Mementoss wrote:
It bothers me that these 3 players have the most power in town
ON
Hopeless
Da0
None of them used any votes officially, and all have 10 votes remaining. Coming down to the wire any one of them as scum could sway the results. If they're scum and that's their plan then they're pretty stupid because they'd be put in the spotlight for doing that. Not all 3, but it is very possible for one of them to be scum, gaining 2 extra votes after the first round could prove to be a great advantage.
Mementoss, I get that you're suspicious of people having all their votes, but can you look over how I (un)voted and tell me if you think I'm scummy because of it?
OriginalName, you still havent addressed why you felt you needed two votes on djodref, ESPECIALLY when he was already leading his matchup. You were literally throwing away votes.
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I will not make any deadlines.
And hopeless you look fine with the way you unvoted. I still don't like that particular players will have more influence on the final lynch.
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Day 1 Round 2 Preview
Hopeless/Thrawn
It's kind of night and day.
Thrawn is active in the thread, gives good contributions and points out what is weird in other players posts. So far I have a slight town read on him. I would expect very good reasons for anyone wanting him to advance.
Hopeless on the opposite has almost contributed nothing. He also seems strangely obsessed with people being around at deadline or not. Which is even stranger when you consider that it seems ok for him to unvote everything without warning just before the deadline. I'll develop later on Hopeless, hopefully with some insight from his side, but I would go as far as saying that he is my top scumread at the moment.
Prediction: Hopeless advances to the Ro4 3-0
HiroPro/OriginalName
At first glance this MU looks easy but it could be more interesting that it looks like. Once thing I have learned in my previous game is that obvious scum players are usually town (Kush being an exception of this rule^^).
We could all agree that ON looks bad, like very very bad. Casting last minute panic votes (on me on top of that) after zero posts and not even properly explaining his motives is scummy as hell. But thinking about it, I cannot imagine any mafia player being this obvious. So I want to give him a second chance for today and see if he can make it up before the deadline.
HiroPro hasn't posting that much and I didn't like his post encouraging people to share their thoughts and plans about the lynch mechanics. Right now, I would vote him over ON but I don't want to spend more than 3 votes on this (I didn't keep my 10 votes like, let's say, Hopeless).
Prediction: ON advaces against my will to the Round 4 5-3
Sandroba/Kush
Regarding this entertaining MU, I'd like to state first that I know Kush meta for having read some newbie games but I don't know at all Sandroba.
Kush is going to look scummy whatever his alignment. Given his low aggressive level in this game, I would opt for a scummy town Kush. But he has been clustering the thread a lot and I know that it could be his strategy as a scummy scum Kush. So null read for me atm. As he is difficult to read, Kush could become a liability for us in the endgame regardless of his alignment but he could give us good insight if he is town. Anyway, I wouldn't mind him to be more pressured because he slipped very quickly last game.
Sandroba is also a null read atm. I would like him to post more before and I would not hesitate to vote him rather than Kush if it looks scummy.
Prediction: Kush advances to the Ro4 5-4 (not planning to vote on this MU at the moment)
Djodref/EchelonTee
Please feel free to ask me some precisions about my motives and posts^^
I have just skimmed through his filter because I cannot pressure him with my votes this round. If you don't mind, I'm going to concentrate on other player's filters and let you decide which one of us is advancing.
Nevertheless, I've noticed 2-3 things of interest:
- his "scumslip" is not a scumslip
- he did handle the conversation about the lynch mechanics very well (I mean that he was arguing interesting points without encouraging everybody to share his views)
- he doesn't want to vote in the voting thread for formatting reasons, I don't see any town motivation for this
I don't want to predict anything for this MU 
Votes coming soon, hoping for a quick feedback before going to bed...
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@Hopeless
You are saying that crazy things happen during the few hours before the deadline yet you have removed your votes at the end of the round one. I find it paradoxal because, in my opinion, the way you can protect ourselves from crazy things to happen is too stick with our votes. Unvoting at last minute is giving more opportunity for MUs to be won be the dark horse. Last round, OriginalName could have reversed some MUs because you gave him room to do it.
I can see town and mafia motivations for keeping 10 votes so I'll pass you that.
I can see town and mafia motivations for knowing the schedule of the player so I'll pass you that.
But I don't like the way you unvoted at all and I don't explain myself the aforementioned paradox.
Could you please explain yourself?
And last but not least, we don't have any trace of your voting intentions in the recap at the end of the round. It really looks like you don't want to play cards on the table.
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Good night guys !
I'll check the thread when I wake up and I hope to be here for the deadline 
I'm sure to sleep better if I vote Hopeless before going to bed
Hopeless x1
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Catching up now.
On October 11 2012 06:15 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 05:20 thrawn2112 wrote:Gonna throw out a vote for prplhz because out of prplhz and kush, kush has contributed more and has shared way more of his thoughts. Also this post struck me as weird: On October 10 2012 20:02 prplhz wrote:
Big plans almost always fail but it's often a pretty good idea to talk about them anyway.
Is EchelonTee trying to vote for Hopeless1der?
I like Djodref's posting and I don't like da0ud's posting. Well, as much as you can like and dislike stuff 2 pages into the game. In any case I'm going to vote for da0ud right now. He's only gonna get one vote from me (for now) because that's enough to put him in next round.
da0ud x1 He asks that question about ET... it looks like he asking a question in order to cast some suspicion on ET but he doesn't say why he thinks ET's vote was suspicious. And as for his vote for da0ud, he spends more time giving justifications for the vote than reasons why he's suspicious of da0ud. I was confused about what EchelonTee was trying because it wasn't in regular voting format and I hadn't seen the explanation of the non-standard vote formatting. I have no idea how to respond to the rest because it's crazy talking. You are interpreting a simple question as an evil scum plan of manipulation. Also, I wanted to ask you about kushm4sta because it seemed that you had a pretty good read on him in that last newbie game he just played. Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 00:35 EchelonTee wrote:
This game is going to be fun, heh.
Hopeless1der x1
Djodref x1
What's going to be fun about this game? This sounds constructed to me so I'd like you to explain what you meant.
1der and Djodref both look scummy to me, but they are in opposition; namely at the time, Djodref voted for 1der. Since Djodref really does not seem like the bussing type, it's unlikely both are scum in my eyes.
Game will be fun because it seems that scum is running good interference. Also, it just seems fun because we have good activity from good players.
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On October 11 2012 12:48 da0ud wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 06:46 kushm4sta wrote:
Yeah daoud vs djodref..
I'm on team djodref meaning I vote for daoud to advance.
Daoud's post just seems so awkward. Admittedly a lot of this is probably because English isn't his first language. But the awkwardness goes beyond that.
His alien joke makes no sense I don't care what language he thought up the joke in.
His concern about the bye:
He's right, that getting a bye makes it easier for you to be lynched. But he calls it a "disadvantage." Scum would be more likely to think of it this way. He is not approaching the bracket as an opportunity to catch scum, but as a trial to avoid lynch. He has the natural fear of a scum.
He is my #1 scum read right now and I definitely want him to go through. I totally don't agree with you. YES this is a disadvantage. You have more chance to get lynched. You want my to do the maths ? Even people with a BYE on first round can vote for other matchups and read people on the first round. Being present at the first round from scums is too me on more opportunity to escape the lynch rather that getting more read on him. What if he says no word at all during the all round. People will have to put votes on him on each of them while him giving no piece of information on what he could be, hence more probability to survive the day. 100% a disadvantage. Hence this post puts you on top of my list of scums.
On sandroba:
You seem to be confused about what kush is saying. He doesn't disagree that having a bye is a disadvantage, he is saying that the way you talked about it is scummy. I tend to agree. Worrying about byes really isn't something that should be anyone's concern; I know I don't give a crap that I had a bye.
And you use this post from him to call him scum? You have no reasoning to say this; you're arguing that da0ud is being scummy for... what? For calling you scum? I immediately regret leaving my vote on djoref.
On October 11 2012 18:33 da0ud wrote:About Sandroba : + Show Spoiler +On October 10 2012 20:40 sandroba wrote:
@prpl You are my best scum read so far, how do you feel about that <3
@mementoss Don't be stupid. Town# > Mafia# by default. That's the dumbest shit I've read so far and let me tell you there is plenty dumb shit about. First statement coming from nowhere and second one just insulting Mementoss freely. Sure Town>Mafia, but someone who would worry about the number of Mafia people sounds townie to me. Getting accused of stupid on this topic would show me a mafia bullying a townie. On October 10 2012 20:46 sandroba wrote:
You don't have to vote anyone right now. You have however many votes you want (max 10). You misrepresented ET impossible ratio quote so somehow he knew the mafia number which we don't know yet so you can vote ET. Yes, that's dumb. insulting On October 10 2012 21:07 sandroba wrote:
I'm mad when I can't distiguish between someone being crazy or trying to make a fake contribution. You can vote for whoever you like as long as your explanation doesn't stink. And as long as the person can even get votes, which ET can't even get this round. Better luck reading the game and the thread next time. insulting On October 11 2012 10:31 sandroba wrote:
Djoref dude looks town to me. Da0ud could go either way, leaning scum atm. I'm actually surprised he was winning, anyone care to explain it to me? austin? How could Djodref look town ? He doesn't look 100% mafia but he does at least look like 70% of it. On October 11 2012 10:36 sandroba wrote:
Yo. I want da0ud to go to the next round. I have a hunch and those have been pretty good historically. Coming from nowhere trying to protect Djodref. On October 11 2012 11:22 sandroba wrote:
ON why the votes on djoref? Another post to back up someone. Not a post like "why don't you vote against Da0ud he looks suspicious/ you should follow my "HuncH" ". Instead the post should be read why do you vote against my matey Djodref.
This post is absolutely ludicrous. You take the fact that sandroba is being blunt and harsh as scummy behavior? Each of those quotes you posted do have him calling something stupid, but he backs up every statement with sound logic. This isn't sandroba being a needless asshole, this is him spitting truth.
Yes, I'm discounting your accusations on sandroba; by your logic, we must be scumbuddies right? Everyone who disagrees with you is in a league against you?
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On October 11 2012 11:30 OriginalName wrote:Echelon: Truthfully speaking, started out fine even with that completely irrelievent "Scumslip" (Once again reiterating- it's not a slip) however after those nice starting posts he moves towards really low content uninteresting posts that are completely meaningless "IM HELPING TOWN" posts that show hes posting but adds nothing to discussion vote counts. Show nested quote +In my experience, if I don't react strongly to accusations, no matter how inane or small, it just bogs down town because people are wasting time talking about me. I'm not mad; I just want to shut down your weak accusations now so that if you are town, we can work together without lingering misconceptions. I'm not seeking to shut down discussion, but I will be extremely dismissive towards cases on me as they are wrong, and in this case bad. This on the other hand REALLY irks me, he says he reacts strongly to accusations and then right after we decided he wasnt as worth it and moved on he completely drops off the map again. THAT friends unlike my complete absence is scumlurk, throwing of heat and then ignoring us.
You have got to be fricking kidding me. Look at my filter. Then yours. I am being low content????
Are you freaking serious? No seriously, coming from THE #1 lurker of Round 1? I don't even understand how you can possibly argue this. This is plain old terrible disruption. You could at least try to look townie. You have done literally nothing to try and help town, and are easily my top pick for champion. This isn't your first game by any respect, you have no newbie excuse.
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On October 12 2012 01:05 EchelonTee wrote:Catching up now. Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 06:15 prplhz wrote:On October 11 2012 05:20 thrawn2112 wrote:Gonna throw out a vote for prplhz because out of prplhz and kush, kush has contributed more and has shared way more of his thoughts. Also this post struck me as weird: On October 10 2012 20:02 prplhz wrote:
Big plans almost always fail but it's often a pretty good idea to talk about them anyway.
Is EchelonTee trying to vote for Hopeless1der?
I like Djodref's posting and I don't like da0ud's posting. Well, as much as you can like and dislike stuff 2 pages into the game. In any case I'm going to vote for da0ud right now. He's only gonna get one vote from me (for now) because that's enough to put him in next round.
da0ud x1 He asks that question about ET... it looks like he asking a question in order to cast some suspicion on ET but he doesn't say why he thinks ET's vote was suspicious. And as for his vote for da0ud, he spends more time giving justifications for the vote than reasons why he's suspicious of da0ud. I was confused about what EchelonTee was trying because it wasn't in regular voting format and I hadn't seen the explanation of the non-standard vote formatting. I have no idea how to respond to the rest because it's crazy talking. You are interpreting a simple question as an evil scum plan of manipulation. Also, I wanted to ask you about kushm4sta because it seemed that you had a pretty good read on him in that last newbie game he just played. On October 11 2012 00:35 EchelonTee wrote:
This game is going to be fun, heh.
Hopeless1der x1
Djodref x1
What's going to be fun about this game? This sounds constructed to me so I'd like you to explain what you meant. 1der and Djodref both look scummy to me, but they are in opposition; namely at the time, Djodref voted for 1der. Since Djodref really does not seem like the bussing type, it's unlikely both are scum in my eyes. Game will be fun because it seems that scum is running good interference. Also, it just seems fun because we have good activity from good players.
Care to explain the bolded part?
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Myself vs. Djoref
Not entirely concerned about this matchup because 1. I'm town and 2. I don't want Djoref to be champion either. He's been quite open with his thoughts and a way that seems quite genuine.
Sandroba vs. Kush
I have a strong feeling that sandroba is town, which unfortunately is a feeling that is 75% meta and only 25% in thread. Sandroba is one of those super strong town players who is comparatively abysmal as a mafia player. When he's mafia, his lack of effort and interest becomes abundantly clear very quickly, sort of like Palmar but even moreso, IMO. Therefore, when he plays mafia I find that he runs active disruption to try and make as much chaos as possible until he inevitably gets shot/lynched.
His posts have been been both interested in setup discussion (a common sandroba town tell) and reasonable tempered, compared to how belligerent he can be. I do not want sandroba killed today, but if his activity/interest/track record take a nose dive he should be murdered. Quote me on this if sandroba begins derping.
Kush is a tough read for me and I'm pretty much null on him, but I don't want sandroba to advance.
ON vs. HiroPro
Already put words on this, ON is advancing easily so no need to vote.
1der vs. thrawn
Same story.
@prplhz, why are you not talking at all? You have a free pass where you don't have to prove your innocence, which you are taking quite happily. This is disconcerting, to say the least.
##Vote kushm4ster x2
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I'm going to do the matchups 1 by 1 this time.
Thrawn vs Hope
I think everyone agrees on this one but I'm going to talk about it anyway
From Hope's posts it's clear that he is not concerned with finding scum. What does he care about instead?
-Will you be here for the deadline?
-Don't waste your votes.
Two topics, both of which I consider to be a total waste of time and a way to feign activity.
Here's his latest comment:
OriginalName, you still havent addressed why you felt you needed two votes on djodref, ESPECIALLY when he was already leading his matchup. You were literally throwing away votes.
@hope Do you think it's scummy to "throw away votes"? What is scum's advantage to having less votes?
Please share your scumreads if you have them.
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On October 12 2012 02:40 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 01:05 EchelonTee wrote:Catching up now. On October 11 2012 06:15 prplhz wrote:On October 11 2012 05:20 thrawn2112 wrote:Gonna throw out a vote for prplhz because out of prplhz and kush, kush has contributed more and has shared way more of his thoughts. Also this post struck me as weird: On October 10 2012 20:02 prplhz wrote:
Big plans almost always fail but it's often a pretty good idea to talk about them anyway.
Is EchelonTee trying to vote for Hopeless1der?
I like Djodref's posting and I don't like da0ud's posting. Well, as much as you can like and dislike stuff 2 pages into the game. In any case I'm going to vote for da0ud right now. He's only gonna get one vote from me (for now) because that's enough to put him in next round.
da0ud x1 He asks that question about ET... it looks like he asking a question in order to cast some suspicion on ET but he doesn't say why he thinks ET's vote was suspicious. And as for his vote for da0ud, he spends more time giving justifications for the vote than reasons why he's suspicious of da0ud. I was confused about what EchelonTee was trying because it wasn't in regular voting format and I hadn't seen the explanation of the non-standard vote formatting. I have no idea how to respond to the rest because it's crazy talking. You are interpreting a simple question as an evil scum plan of manipulation. Also, I wanted to ask you about kushm4sta because it seemed that you had a pretty good read on him in that last newbie game he just played. On October 11 2012 00:35 EchelonTee wrote:
This game is going to be fun, heh.
Hopeless1der x1
Djodref x1
What's going to be fun about this game? This sounds constructed to me so I'd like you to explain what you meant. 1der and Djodref both look scummy to me, but they are in opposition; namely at the time, Djodref voted for 1der. Since Djodref really does not seem like the bussing type, it's unlikely both are scum in my eyes. Game will be fun because it seems that scum is running good interference. Also, it just seems fun because we have good activity from good players. Care to explain the bolded part?
Uh I just did right there? When there is suspicion on two parties and we assume that at least one is town, then it means that mafia are pushing a townie successfully?
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I can't guarantee that I will be around for deadline, but I will stop by thread at least once more before then.
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On October 12 2012 02:45 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 02:40 prplhz wrote:On October 12 2012 01:05 EchelonTee wrote:Catching up now. On October 11 2012 06:15 prplhz wrote:On October 11 2012 05:20 thrawn2112 wrote:Gonna throw out a vote for prplhz because out of prplhz and kush, kush has contributed more and has shared way more of his thoughts. Also this post struck me as weird: On October 10 2012 20:02 prplhz wrote:
Big plans almost always fail but it's often a pretty good idea to talk about them anyway.
Is EchelonTee trying to vote for Hopeless1der?
I like Djodref's posting and I don't like da0ud's posting. Well, as much as you can like and dislike stuff 2 pages into the game. In any case I'm going to vote for da0ud right now. He's only gonna get one vote from me (for now) because that's enough to put him in next round.
da0ud x1 He asks that question about ET... it looks like he asking a question in order to cast some suspicion on ET but he doesn't say why he thinks ET's vote was suspicious. And as for his vote for da0ud, he spends more time giving justifications for the vote than reasons why he's suspicious of da0ud. I was confused about what EchelonTee was trying because it wasn't in regular voting format and I hadn't seen the explanation of the non-standard vote formatting. I have no idea how to respond to the rest because it's crazy talking. You are interpreting a simple question as an evil scum plan of manipulation. Also, I wanted to ask you about kushm4sta because it seemed that you had a pretty good read on him in that last newbie game he just played. On October 11 2012 00:35 EchelonTee wrote:
This game is going to be fun, heh.
Hopeless1der x1
Djodref x1
What's going to be fun about this game? This sounds constructed to me so I'd like you to explain what you meant. 1der and Djodref both look scummy to me, but they are in opposition; namely at the time, Djodref voted for 1der. Since Djodref really does not seem like the bussing type, it's unlikely both are scum in my eyes. Game will be fun because it seems that scum is running good interference. Also, it just seems fun because we have good activity from good players. Care to explain the bolded part? Uh I just did right there? When there is suspicion on two parties and we assume that at least one is town, then it means that mafia are pushing a townie successfully?
I'm still not totally clear. You are saying that either djodref or daoud are scum and mafia is pushing which ever is town?
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On October 12 2012 02:47 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 02:45 EchelonTee wrote:On October 12 2012 02:40 prplhz wrote:On October 12 2012 01:05 EchelonTee wrote:Catching up now. On October 11 2012 06:15 prplhz wrote:On October 11 2012 05:20 thrawn2112 wrote:Gonna throw out a vote for prplhz because out of prplhz and kush, kush has contributed more and has shared way more of his thoughts. Also this post struck me as weird: On October 10 2012 20:02 prplhz wrote:
Big plans almost always fail but it's often a pretty good idea to talk about them anyway.
Is EchelonTee trying to vote for Hopeless1der?
I like Djodref's posting and I don't like da0ud's posting. Well, as much as you can like and dislike stuff 2 pages into the game. In any case I'm going to vote for da0ud right now. He's only gonna get one vote from me (for now) because that's enough to put him in next round.
da0ud x1 He asks that question about ET... it looks like he asking a question in order to cast some suspicion on ET but he doesn't say why he thinks ET's vote was suspicious. And as for his vote for da0ud, he spends more time giving justifications for the vote than reasons why he's suspicious of da0ud. I was confused about what EchelonTee was trying because it wasn't in regular voting format and I hadn't seen the explanation of the non-standard vote formatting. I have no idea how to respond to the rest because it's crazy talking. You are interpreting a simple question as an evil scum plan of manipulation. Also, I wanted to ask you about kushm4sta because it seemed that you had a pretty good read on him in that last newbie game he just played. On October 11 2012 00:35 EchelonTee wrote:
This game is going to be fun, heh.
Hopeless1der x1
Djodref x1
What's going to be fun about this game? This sounds constructed to me so I'd like you to explain what you meant. 1der and Djodref both look scummy to me, but they are in opposition; namely at the time, Djodref voted for 1der. Since Djodref really does not seem like the bussing type, it's unlikely both are scum in my eyes. Game will be fun because it seems that scum is running good interference. Also, it just seems fun because we have good activity from good players. Care to explain the bolded part? Uh I just did right there? When there is suspicion on two parties and we assume that at least one is town, then it means that mafia are pushing a townie successfully? I'm still not totally clear. You are saying that either djodref or daoud are scum and mafia is pushing which ever is town?
1. I was talking about 1der and djodref in that post, not da0ud.
2. I am not assuming that one of djodref/1der has to be scum; I am assuming that at least one is town.
3. If one of them is town, then that means town is in some way being lead in the wrong direction by scum.
3b. In any game ever, a good scum team will run disruption. Since this game isn't running like a whistle, it's clear scum are doing something.
inb4 he's fearmongering
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Getting lunch and going to classes. Apparently I have to announce my absences or else I'm "lurking away".
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@ET it's interesting that you say that Sandroba has a scummy scum-meta. Because my current read on him was that he was acting almost too scummy to be scum.
He tries to push doaud through with no explanation by putting 2 extra votes on him. Also he does it without even saying he's going to do it.
When we ask him why, all he has to say is:
On October 11 2012 10:36 sandroba wrote:
Yo. I want da0ud to go to the next round. I have a hunch and those have been pretty good historically.
So a hunch with no reasoning is enough to override the majority's vote?
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On October 11 2012 20:49 sandroba wrote:
Yes I'm was not explaining anything because nothing was solid yet. I rather let people talk then to post a ton. da0ud and thrawn are flooding the thread a lot, so I'm pretty pleased with how it turned out, even if he didn't make it through. That is because I would expect him to post way less had him gotten a pass as scum.
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ET that still has 0 explanation for why he thought daoud was scummy enough to double vote him near deadline.
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On October 12 2012 00:52 Djodref wrote:
@Hopeless
You are saying that crazy things happen during the few hours before the deadline yet you have removed your votes at the end of the round one. I find it paradoxal because, in my opinion, the way you can protect ourselves from crazy things to happen is too stick with our votes. Unvoting at last minute is giving more opportunity for MUs to be won be the dark horse. Last round, OriginalName could have reversed some MUs because you gave him room to do it.
I can see town and mafia motivations for keeping 10 votes so I'll pass you that.
I can see town and mafia motivations for knowing the schedule of the player so I'll pass you that.
But I don't like the way you unvoted at all and I don't explain myself the aforementioned paradox.
Could you please explain yourself?
And last but not least, we don't have any trace of your voting intentions in the recap at the end of the round. It really looks like you don't want to play cards on the table.
There is 100% trace of my "voting intentions"
+ Show Spoiler +THE FINAL VOTECOUNT: On October 11 2012 11:04 JingleHell wrote:Final Vote Count, Ro16
Thrawn2112 (Bye)
HiroPro (Bye)
sandroba (Bye)
EchelonTee (Bye)
KushM4sta (7) vs prplhz (10) 3-2
djodref (11) vs da0ud (6) 5-4
Hopeless1der (9) vs mementoss (8) 3-0
austinmcc (12) vs OriginalName (5) 1-0
My vote that was unvoted: On October 11 2012 00:25 Hopeless1der wrote:
OriginalName x1
prplhz x1
Djodref x1 THE BASIC ARITHMETIC THAT FOLLOWS (I.E. What the vote would have looked like if I had not unvoted): -> Changes marked in blueNOT Final Vote Count, Ro16 Thrawn2112 (Bye) HiroPro (Bye) sandroba (Bye) EchelonTee (Bye) KushM4sta (7) vs prplhz (10) 3- 3 <----PRPLHZ INSTEAD OF KUSH ADVANCES djodref (11) vs da0ud (6) 6-4 <-----NO IMPACT Hopeless1der (9) vs mementoss (8) 3-0 austinmcc (12) vs OriginalName (5) 2-0 <----NO IMPACT Also, I feel that austin vs ON should have read 0-1 or 0-2, but that was Jingle's votecount. The results are still correct.
tl;dr: I let kush into the next round specifically because I didn't vote. No other matchups were affected, and my intended targets all advanced. Because I think they're scummier than their opponents.
On October 12 2012 02:44 kushm4sta wrote:I'm going to do the matchups 1 by 1 this time. Thrawn vs HopeI think everyone agrees on this one but I'm going to talk about it anyway From Hope's posts it's clear that he is not concerned with finding scum. What does he care about instead? -Will you be here for the deadline? -Don't waste your votes. Two topics, both of which I consider to be a total waste of time and a way to feign activity. Here's his latest comment: Show nested quote +
OriginalName, you still havent addressed why you felt you needed two votes on djodref, ESPECIALLY when he was already leading his matchup. You were literally throwing away votes.
@hope Do you think it's scummy to "throw away votes"? What is scum's advantage to having less votes? Please share your scumreads if you have them.
Throwing away votes would be like self-voting in a plurality lynch game to me. Its stupid and goes against your win condition. There was NO REASON WHATSOEVER for ON to attempt to vote the way he did. I was also here watching the game with my F5 button on repeat as his post occurred. This is just after the thought that Hiro was trying to manipulate me went through my head by leaving kush-prpl tied and saying "oh but I thought the higher seed...blah blah" (I've already said I think this was legit)
On October 11 2012 11:00 JingleHell wrote:
Voting is now CLOSED for the Ro16! Night post coming shortly.
On October 11 2012 11:03 OriginalName wrote:
Djodref x2
3 minutes of time had passed, or close enough to an amount of time that ON should have seen that voting was closed. His vote was both unnecessary (djodref was already winning) and excessive (why 2 votes?) for the purposes of showing his intent of lynching djrodef.
Just throwing away votes is not inherently scummy it was the timing and implications behind that precise vote. A similar vote would have been Mementoss x2 when I already had 3 votes. What was the point?
I think he's scummier than Hiro and he's my choice to vote this round, assuming my vote is in fact required to get him through.
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