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On June 11 2012 11:31 GreYMisT wrote:
Wiggles has posted more content then ace. My suspicion is still there, but Ace is more concerning for me.
I'll probably be lynched today regardless of what I say due to mob mentality, gonzaw turning everything I say around into a scum agenda, and fear of lynching the big players.
What I'm going to do is try to get us on the right track so we have somewhere to move tomorrow.
Gonzaw, while I do think your reasoning consists mainly of over eagerness, I think you're town for the moment.
With that in mind give me reasons not to vote Ace, aside from "grey is a better target"
what are you defining as content? This isn't rhetorical I'm really interested in knowing so I can frame your posts better.
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On June 11 2012 12:34 GreYMisT wrote:In any case, do something for me. I want you to look the day over without your Confirmation Bias. A fresh start. Perhaps that will make my posting seem more clear to all of you. First off, I was indeed very occupied most of the day the game started and today, though obviously I have gotten back into the thread. This means I was unable to make giant posts, or post at all when i wanted to. That being said, I got home, saw I was being accused of not providing reads, and just gave you 3 gut reads. Upon a reread of people I was unsure of, I decided at the moment that I was most suspicious of Ace and voted him. Now, back to the present. Would scum GreYMisT vote Ace? out of the blue? please, give me credit. I already stated suspicion of wiggles, as you so pointed out. in fact, others have as well. It would make much more sense for me to vote wiggles. Yes, i could be doing this as a massive scheme, but would it be worth the risk? probably not. My most recent somewhat normal game as town was probably Election mafia, and probably steamship as scum. Not sure if it would help since you would be comparing day 1 behavior, but feel free to look at those games, let me know if you want more. Thats all im going to do for defense. Feel free to ask questions and I'll answer them.
Ok, here, I'll be nice and give you the benefit of the doubt since you did say you would be busy today and I know how that can mess up one's posting. So I'm willing to give you a fresh start. But you gotta start contributing. You got 24 hours till the end of day yo. Make it count.
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On June 11 2012 12:42 gonzaw wrote:
Okay Grey, do know that I don't have a "tunneling vendetta" against you or anything, you just seem to completely avoid the issues being brought on against you (lack of reads/analysis, creating suspicions, being "neutral", etc) and divert attention.
Okay then, I'll ask you some questions then (although I was hoping you'd post your opinion on them without being asked to):
What are your thoughts on the current discussion? Do you agree with Hesmyrr's case on VE (how the hell did you miss it?) ?
Do you agree with VE's and MZ's "case" against Radfield (again how the hell did you miss it?) ?
Do you have a more thorough analysis of Wiggles' play? What about the things we've been mentioning about him? Do you agree with them or not? Why or why not?
Why exactly do you think Ace is more suspicious than say...BrownBear?
Do you think this would fit Ace's scum play? Do you think he's just trolling or something as scum (unlike his "normal" scum play?) ?
Considering Ace played almost exactly like this on Liar Game (and he was town), what would you say about it? Would you still find him suspicious?
If you still think he's scum in base of all these, then make a more thorough explanation..
If you are town, you already have lots of opinions...just post them (it shouldn't be too hard...you already own said opinions, you don't have to fake them or anything).
Surely you didnt read the 2 samples I provided, or reread the entire thread in that short amount of time.
I saw the case on VE, but i was a bit busy being tunneled.
Basically my play comes down to me wanting to not spew gibberish all over the thread. I like to be a bit more sure about what I say. In the past I have even gotten in trouble as town, and derailed discussion for a full day because I changed my mind on a vote once.
But I'm getting off topic, just wanted you to know my opinion on that.
As far as the case on VE, I feel as though it is pretty well thought out. If you read a page before it, I actually comment on the post that the case is largely based on. Overall I feel that it is not a good enough reason to condemn someone at the moment.
You tell me to not say "If i were scum I would definatly not do X" but that is your soft defense of Ace right there. You say that Ace would definatly not be playing like he is right now if he were scum. In my eyes he is a player who was clearly in the thread, but chose not to comment on anything. Nothing more.
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On June 11 2012 12:56 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 11:31 GreYMisT wrote:
Wiggles has posted more content then ace. My suspicion is still there, but Ace is more concerning for me.
I'll probably be lynched today regardless of what I say due to mob mentality, gonzaw turning everything I say around into a scum agenda, and fear of lynching the big players.
What I'm going to do is try to get us on the right track so we have somewhere to move tomorrow.
Gonzaw, while I do think your reasoning consists mainly of over eagerness, I think you're town for the moment.
With that in mind give me reasons not to vote Ace, aside from "grey is a better target" what are you defining as content? This isn't rhetorical I'm really interested in knowing so I can frame your posts better.
I would say content is information that allows players to define your stance on some issue.
You have indeed provided some (you are for a RNG, and you found Wiggle's analysis interesting). Wiggles on the otherhand has provided slightly more in my eyes (actual discussion about the RNG lynch, suspicion of chaoser, response to questions)
does that help?
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On June 11 2012 12:58 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 12:42 gonzaw wrote:
Okay Grey, do know that I don't have a "tunneling vendetta" against you or anything, you just seem to completely avoid the issues being brought on against you (lack of reads/analysis, creating suspicions, being "neutral", etc) and divert attention.
Okay then, I'll ask you some questions then (although I was hoping you'd post your opinion on them without being asked to):
What are your thoughts on the current discussion? Do you agree with Hesmyrr's case on VE (how the hell did you miss it?) ?
Do you agree with VE's and MZ's "case" against Radfield (again how the hell did you miss it?) ?
Do you have a more thorough analysis of Wiggles' play? What about the things we've been mentioning about him? Do you agree with them or not? Why or why not?
Why exactly do you think Ace is more suspicious than say...BrownBear?
Do you think this would fit Ace's scum play? Do you think he's just trolling or something as scum (unlike his "normal" scum play?) ?
Considering Ace played almost exactly like this on Liar Game (and he was town), what would you say about it? Would you still find him suspicious?
If you still think he's scum in base of all these, then make a more thorough explanation..
If you are town, you already have lots of opinions...just post them (it shouldn't be too hard...you already own said opinions, you don't have to fake them or anything). Surely you didnt read the 2 samples I provided, or reread the entire thread in that short amount of time. I saw the case on VE, but i was a bit busy being tunneled. Basically my play comes down to me wanting to not spew gibberish all over the thread. I like to be a bit more sure about what I say. In the past I have even gotten in trouble as town, and derailed discussion for a full day because I changed my mind on a vote once. But I'm getting off topic, just wanted you to know my opinion on that. As far as the case on VE, I feel as though it is pretty well thought out. If you read a page before it, I actually comment on the post that the case is largely based on. Overall I feel that it is not a good enough reason to condemn someone at the moment. You tell me to not say "If i were scum I would definatly not do X" but that is your soft defense of Ace right there. You say that Ace would definatly not be playing like he is right now if he were scum. In my eyes he is a player who was clearly in the thread, but chose not to comment on anything. Nothing more.
*sigh* Why don't you stop worrying about "spewing gibbreish all over the thread" and just answer the questions and contribute?
Seriously, if I was town and I knew I was a possibly misslynch then I would give two shits about "trying to play correctly" and I'd try to convince people I'm town, because as much as "I don't want town to get into trouble", they would certainly get into one if they misslynched me.
That would be the case if answering those questions, providing more reasoning behind your votes/reads, and commenting on what's happening in the thread was "spewing gibberish"....which is not.....it's actually the opposite.
So you say that you want us to take a step back to analyse you and ask you questions, but when we do you get all defensive on our asses and do shit all?
What kind of town plead is that?
You tell me to not say "If i were scum I would definatly not do X" but that is your soft defense of Ace right there. You say that Ace would definatly not be playing like he is right now if he were scum
No, they are completely different things.
Ace is not doing anything disruptive, and because of the appliance of meta it means he's likely town. There's nothing "absurd" there.
Not only that, but he didn't even use it to "confirm" his towniness. Ace never said "Hey guys see how I'm not causing chaos nor creating suspicion among yourselves? Do you see it? Yes that means I'm confirmed town okay bye".
However, you certainly did (that Ace bit was a hyperbole so don't nit-pick).
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somewhat. I'm going to re-read the thread later as I've been like active lurking when I've been on. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't being cast as doing absolutely nothing for the day 
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On June 11 2012 13:09 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 12:58 GreYMisT wrote:On June 11 2012 12:42 gonzaw wrote:
Okay Grey, do know that I don't have a "tunneling vendetta" against you or anything, you just seem to completely avoid the issues being brought on against you (lack of reads/analysis, creating suspicions, being "neutral", etc) and divert attention.
Okay then, I'll ask you some questions then (although I was hoping you'd post your opinion on them without being asked to):
What are your thoughts on the current discussion? Do you agree with Hesmyrr's case on VE (how the hell did you miss it?) ?
Do you agree with VE's and MZ's "case" against Radfield (again how the hell did you miss it?) ?
Do you have a more thorough analysis of Wiggles' play? What about the things we've been mentioning about him? Do you agree with them or not? Why or why not?
Why exactly do you think Ace is more suspicious than say...BrownBear?
Do you think this would fit Ace's scum play? Do you think he's just trolling or something as scum (unlike his "normal" scum play?) ?
Considering Ace played almost exactly like this on Liar Game (and he was town), what would you say about it? Would you still find him suspicious?
If you still think he's scum in base of all these, then make a more thorough explanation..
If you are town, you already have lots of opinions...just post them (it shouldn't be too hard...you already own said opinions, you don't have to fake them or anything). Surely you didnt read the 2 samples I provided, or reread the entire thread in that short amount of time. I saw the case on VE, but i was a bit busy being tunneled. Basically my play comes down to me wanting to not spew gibberish all over the thread. I like to be a bit more sure about what I say. In the past I have even gotten in trouble as town, and derailed discussion for a full day because I changed my mind on a vote once. But I'm getting off topic, just wanted you to know my opinion on that. As far as the case on VE, I feel as though it is pretty well thought out. If you read a page before it, I actually comment on the post that the case is largely based on. Overall I feel that it is not a good enough reason to condemn someone at the moment. You tell me to not say "If i were scum I would definatly not do X" but that is your soft defense of Ace right there. You say that Ace would definatly not be playing like he is right now if he were scum. In my eyes he is a player who was clearly in the thread, but chose not to comment on anything. Nothing more. *sigh* Why don't you stop worrying about "spewing gibbreish all over the thread" and just answer the questions and contribute? Seriously, if I was town and I knew I was a possibly misslynch then I would give two shits about "trying to play correctly" and I'd try to convince people I'm town, because as much as "I don't want town to get into trouble", they would certainly get into one if they misslynched me. That would be the case if answering those questions, providing more reasoning behind your votes/reads, and commenting on what's happening in the thread was "spewing gibberish"....which is not.....it's actually the opposite. So you say that you want us to take a step back to analyse you and ask you questions, but when we do you get all defensive on our asses and do shit all? What kind of town plead is that? Show nested quote +You tell me to not say "If i were scum I would definatly not do X" but that is your soft defense of Ace right there. You say that Ace would definatly not be playing like he is right now if he were scum No, they are completely different things. Ace is not doing anything disruptive, and because of the appliance of meta it means he's likely town. There's nothing "absurd" there. Not only that, but he didn't even use it to "confirm" his towniness. Ace never said "Hey guys see how I'm not causing chaos nor creating suspicion among yourselves? Do you see it? Yes that means I'm confirmed town okay bye". However, you certainly did (that Ace bit was a hyperbole so don't nit-pick).
he doesn't need to, you are doing it for him.
Anyway, done with you for now. You keep saying "Prove your towniness" but accuse me of getting defensive.
Speaking of doing shit all I would like you to answer the questions you posed to me in your most recent accusation.
We'll talk later
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On June 11 2012 13:10 Ace wrote:somewhat. I'm going to re-read the thread later as I've been like active lurking when I've been on. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't being cast as doing absolutely nothing for the day
but you have been....
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On June 11 2012 13:18 Ace wrote:
have been what?
Not really doing much all day, Unless by saying "doing much all day" you meant actively lurking.
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*sigh*
This is pointless.
There is a chance you are just stubborn town, so if you are don't fuck this up Greymist.
I'll follow chaoser's advice and stop cloggin up the thread harrassing you.
I'm still waiting for Radfield, Wiggles and Palmar to post their thoughts about this whole thing.
On June 11 2012 13:14 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 13:09 gonzaw wrote:On June 11 2012 12:58 GreYMisT wrote:On June 11 2012 12:42 gonzaw wrote:
Okay Grey, do know that I don't have a "tunneling vendetta" against you or anything, you just seem to completely avoid the issues being brought on against you (lack of reads/analysis, creating suspicions, being "neutral", etc) and divert attention.
Okay then, I'll ask you some questions then (although I was hoping you'd post your opinion on them without being asked to):
What are your thoughts on the current discussion? Do you agree with Hesmyrr's case on VE (how the hell did you miss it?) ?
Do you agree with VE's and MZ's "case" against Radfield (again how the hell did you miss it?) ?
Do you have a more thorough analysis of Wiggles' play? What about the things we've been mentioning about him? Do you agree with them or not? Why or why not?
Why exactly do you think Ace is more suspicious than say...BrownBear?
Do you think this would fit Ace's scum play? Do you think he's just trolling or something as scum (unlike his "normal" scum play?) ?
Considering Ace played almost exactly like this on Liar Game (and he was town), what would you say about it? Would you still find him suspicious?
If you still think he's scum in base of all these, then make a more thorough explanation..
If you are town, you already have lots of opinions...just post them (it shouldn't be too hard...you already own said opinions, you don't have to fake them or anything). Surely you didnt read the 2 samples I provided, or reread the entire thread in that short amount of time. I saw the case on VE, but i was a bit busy being tunneled. Basically my play comes down to me wanting to not spew gibberish all over the thread. I like to be a bit more sure about what I say. In the past I have even gotten in trouble as town, and derailed discussion for a full day because I changed my mind on a vote once. But I'm getting off topic, just wanted you to know my opinion on that. As far as the case on VE, I feel as though it is pretty well thought out. If you read a page before it, I actually comment on the post that the case is largely based on. Overall I feel that it is not a good enough reason to condemn someone at the moment. You tell me to not say "If i were scum I would definatly not do X" but that is your soft defense of Ace right there. You say that Ace would definatly not be playing like he is right now if he were scum. In my eyes he is a player who was clearly in the thread, but chose not to comment on anything. Nothing more. *sigh* Why don't you stop worrying about "spewing gibbreish all over the thread" and just answer the questions and contribute? Seriously, if I was town and I knew I was a possibly misslynch then I would give two shits about "trying to play correctly" and I'd try to convince people I'm town, because as much as "I don't want town to get into trouble", they would certainly get into one if they misslynched me. That would be the case if answering those questions, providing more reasoning behind your votes/reads, and commenting on what's happening in the thread was "spewing gibberish"....which is not.....it's actually the opposite. So you say that you want us to take a step back to analyse you and ask you questions, but when we do you get all defensive on our asses and do shit all? What kind of town plead is that? You tell me to not say "If i were scum I would definatly not do X" but that is your soft defense of Ace right there. You say that Ace would definatly not be playing like he is right now if he were scum No, they are completely different things. Ace is not doing anything disruptive, and because of the appliance of meta it means he's likely town. There's nothing "absurd" there. Not only that, but he didn't even use it to "confirm" his towniness. Ace never said "Hey guys see how I'm not causing chaos nor creating suspicion among yourselves? Do you see it? Yes that means I'm confirmed town okay bye". However, you certainly did (that Ace bit was a hyperbole so don't nit-pick). he doesn't need to, you are doing it for him. Anyway, done with you for now. You keep saying "Prove your towniness" but accuse me of getting defensive. Speaking of doing shit all I would like you to answer the questions you posed to me in your most recent accusation. We'll talk later
I'd tell you to just read the thread, but I'm being nice:
Okay Grey, do know that I don't have a "tunneling vendetta" against you or anything, you just seem to completely avoid the issues being brought on against you (lack of reads/analysis, creating suspicions, being "neutral", etc) and divert attention. Okay then, I'll ask you some questions then (although I was hoping you'd post your opinion on them without being asked to):What are your thoughts on the current discussion? Do you agree with Hesmyrr's case on VE (how the hell did you miss it? ) ?Do you agree with VE's and MZ's "case" against Radfield (again how the hell did you miss it?) ?Do you have a more thorough analysis of Wiggles' play? What about the things we've been mentioning about him? Do you agree with them or not? Why or why not?Why exactly do you think Ace is more suspicious than say...BrownBear?Do you think this would fit Ace's scum play? Do you think he's just trolling or something as scum (unlike his "normal" scum play?) ?Considering Ace played almost exactly like this on Liar Game (and he was town), what would you say about it? Would you still find him suspicious? If you still think he's scum in base of all these, then make a more thorough explanation.. If you are town, you already have lots of opinions...just post them (it shouldn't be too hard...you already own said opinions, you don't have to fake them or anything).
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What is it with people absolutely losing their heads when they get accused these days. Grey please just take a step back, though you may not think you are, you're coming across very defensive. Also I'm just gonna say right now I'm EXTREMELY wary of lynching VE. He's been mislynched two games in a row (I was directly responsible for one of them). While that does not excuse him from scrutiny, I'm gonna have a hard time voting for his lynch.
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On June 11 2012 13:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
What is it with people absolutely losing their heads when they get accused these days. Grey please just take a step back, though you may not think you are, you're coming across very defensive. Also I'm just gonna say right now I'm EXTREMELY wary of lynching VE. He's been mislynched two games in a row (I was directly responsible for one of them). While that does not excuse him from scrutiny, I'm gonna have a hard time voting for his lynch.
I would sure hope so, I am trying to defend myself after all
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And woah woah woah. You are hesitant to vote VE because of misslynching him under completely different circumstances in a different game?
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Yeah okay MZ, that's some pretty weak reasoning. From an external perspective, it almost seems as if you're subtly hinting at the idea that you think I'm acting scummy, but you don't want to lynch me for it...because correct me if I'm wrong, but that's why you lynched me in [REDACTED]. Do you find me suspicious? If so, why?
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On June 11 2012 13:37 GreYMisT wrote:
And woah woah woah. You are hesitant to vote VE because of misslynching him under completely different circumstances in a different game?
broski I've done it twice in the span of two games, pardon me if I'm hesitant to complete the hat trick.
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On June 11 2012 13:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 13:37 GreYMisT wrote:
And woah woah woah. You are hesitant to vote VE because of misslynching him under completely different circumstances in a different game? broski I've done it twice in the span of two games, pardon me if I'm hesitant to complete the hat trick.
Logic doesnt really make sense but alright, I'll give it to you for now.
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I'm going to go for now. Chaoser, i'd like to know who you think is mafia aside from me. So far your case on me that I can see is pretty much just not finding VE's usage of the word "Vanilla Townie" scummy. (btw my Role PM doesn't even mention the words Vanilla or Townie/Towny). While I complete my homework of contributing tomorrow, I would like you to do the same.
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On June 11 2012 04:14 Radfield wrote:
Palmar, do you think that RNG lynching Day 1 gives town a better chance to win the game?
On June 11 2012 04:14 Palmar wrote:
yes.
On June 11 2012 04:17 Palmar wrote:
And I didn't think you were dumb enough to not understand why and how.
These two posts are enough for me to throw a preliminary vote on Palmar. I don't understand why he is witholding the information of why he exactly thinks RNG is giving town a better chance, and I in fact disagree with him for reasons stated above. Caveat, of course, is I haven't fully read past page 8, and have skimmed the rest due to time constraints so this may change.
##Vote: Palmar
Internets are down, posting from a friend's house. They should be fixed tomorrow so I can post more then. On the bright side, new keyboard!
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yea lets have some fun!
##vote: Palmar
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