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ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
June 18 2011 13:01 GMT
#2681
On June 18 2011 21:59 Maliris wrote:
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On June 18 2011 21:56 ZAiNs wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:53 Sniffy wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:52 Yaotzin wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:51 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:48 crappen wrote:
bleh, reminds me of sc2 6months ago. Was hoping ret would go 14p14gas instead of this greedy shit.

ret's build was fine. 15hatch isnt greedy. he just needed faster spine crawlers, and to not suicide for the pylon.

15hatch is unviable, it is absurdly greedy. Even the second greediest Zerg in the world (Morrow) accepts this.


Are you joking? Dont talk about things you know nothing about

He's right. You can Hatch first on very few maps and only if you follow the probe with a drone and are very confident in your crisis management, and hope your opponent doesn't play perfectly.

PLEASE don't talk... 15 hatch is the best possible opener vs 4gate lol. Would you rather 14gas 14pool and then have your expansion finish exactly when the protoss is warping in at your front door..?

only reason ret lost is he ran off creep and lost a lot of roach, the forcefields were the final nail in the coffin

I'm not talking about what is the best vs. 4gate, I'm just saying that Hatch first in general is not safe -- which is a fact.
aDd3z
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany885 Posts
June 18 2011 13:01 GMT
#2682
what happend to tyler?
he played terrible 2012.... one impressive game against strelok in tsl and thats it
really bad play in nasl and mlg as well
Cj Entus | Effort | Prime | MarineKing | mouz | HasuObs
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
June 18 2011 13:01 GMT
#2683
On June 18 2011 22:00 dubRa wrote:
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On June 18 2011 21:58 Olinim wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:57 dubRa wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:56 Daimai wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:48 SC2Phoenix wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:47 Fubi wrote:
How do you die to 4gate in a non-PvP at this level of play...
because its a four gate...

Exactly, then why did he die?

Because nani is the king of 4gate

That title belongs to MC, sorry bud.

Then I demand a clash of the kings in the playoffs so this can be settled.

We had one at Columbus.
sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
June 18 2011 13:01 GMT
#2684
On June 18 2011 22:00 Demonaz wrote:
Naniwa 5 for 5 now in bo3s, looking very good! Home court advantage? :D


Nah he's just really good.
My grandpa could've proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, he's also dead. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 18 2011 13:01 GMT
#2685
On June 18 2011 21:59 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 21:57 youngminii wrote:
Game 3 Start
Nightend V Dimaga
Current score: 1-1
Map: Shakuras Plateau
Nightend at 7 o'clock
Dimaga at 2 o'clock

3:00
Nightend going for a Forge fast expand while Dimaga goes Pool/gas first.

6:30
Dimaga starts a Lair while Nightend starts a Stargate.
lalala
zestzorb
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand776 Posts
June 18 2011 13:01 GMT
#2686
On June 18 2011 22:00 dubRa wrote:
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On June 18 2011 21:58 Olinim wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:57 dubRa wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:56 Daimai wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:48 SC2Phoenix wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:47 Fubi wrote:
How do you die to 4gate in a non-PvP at this level of play...
because its a four gate...

Exactly, then why did he die?

Because nani is the king of 4gate

That title belongs to MC, sorry bud.

Then I demand a clash of the kings in the playoffs so this can be settled.


Well they've met each other back in MLG Columbus.
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
June 18 2011 13:01 GMT
#2687
On June 18 2011 22:00 whiteLotus wrote:
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On June 18 2011 21:59 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:56 haxard wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:55 Macabre wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:54 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:52 Yaotzin wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:51 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:48 crappen wrote:
bleh, reminds me of sc2 6months ago. Was hoping ret would go 14p14gas instead of this greedy shit.

ret's build was fine. 15hatch isnt greedy. he just needed faster spine crawlers, and to not suicide for the pylon.

15hatch is unviable, it is absurdly greedy. Even the second greediest Zerg in the world (Morrow) accepts this.

wtf. no its not. 15hatch can hold anything if played right.



In ZvT maybe, I wouldn't say that in PvZ at all.


forge first against hatch first in pvz is a big joke

sure if youre a bad player. but a little micro shuts down any cannon rush.


sure, good example is how idra shut down MC's cannon rush at MLG, got blocked by 3 pylons -> gg.

idra could have stopped that if he had played it better,

Also on tal darim, the distance is so big that if he scouts in the wrong direction, youll have lings out in time.
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
June 18 2011 13:02 GMT
#2688
voidray on the way
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 13:03:05
June 18 2011 13:02 GMT
#2689
On June 18 2011 22:00 whiteLotus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 21:59 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:56 haxard wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:55 Macabre wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:54 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:52 Yaotzin wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:51 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:48 crappen wrote:
bleh, reminds me of sc2 6months ago. Was hoping ret would go 14p14gas instead of this greedy shit.

ret's build was fine. 15hatch isnt greedy. he just needed faster spine crawlers, and to not suicide for the pylon.

15hatch is unviable, it is absurdly greedy. Even the second greediest Zerg in the world (Morrow) accepts this.

wtf. no its not. 15hatch can hold anything if played right.



In ZvT maybe, I wouldn't say that in PvZ at all.


forge first against hatch first in pvz is a big joke

sure if youre a bad player. but a little micro shuts down any cannon rush.


sure, good example is how idra shut down MC's cannon rush at MLG, got blocked by 3 pylons -> gg.

You mean the one where the cannons were finished before the hatch was and he could have just canceled and taken another base whilst the Protoss just dropped 450 Minerals to delay your natural...whilst he delays Warpgates/Gas
Sniffy
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia290 Posts
June 18 2011 13:02 GMT
#2690
On June 18 2011 21:56 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 21:53 Sniffy wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:52 Yaotzin wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:51 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:48 crappen wrote:
bleh, reminds me of sc2 6months ago. Was hoping ret would go 14p14gas instead of this greedy shit.

ret's build was fine. 15hatch isnt greedy. he just needed faster spine crawlers, and to not suicide for the pylon.

15hatch is unviable, it is absurdly greedy. Even the second greediest Zerg in the world (Morrow) accepts this.


Are you joking? Dont talk about things you know nothing about

He's right. You can Hatch first on very few maps and only if you follow the probe with a drone and are very confident in your crisis management, and hope your opponent doesn't play perfectly.


Not really no. if you scout a forge and are prepared to pull drones as soon as a pylon goes down you can easily delay anything until pool is done

there are very few maps you cant 15 hatch on
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
June 18 2011 13:02 GMT
#2691
On June 18 2011 22:01 sjschmidt93 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 22:00 Demonaz wrote:
Naniwa 5 for 5 now in bo3s, looking very good! Home court advantage? :D


Nah he's just really good.


Home court advantage didn't seem to help Morrow
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 13:05:03
June 18 2011 13:02 GMT
#2692
On June 18 2011 21:59 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 21:56 haxard wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:55 Macabre wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:54 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:52 Yaotzin wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:51 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:48 crappen wrote:
bleh, reminds me of sc2 6months ago. Was hoping ret would go 14p14gas instead of this greedy shit.

ret's build was fine. 15hatch isnt greedy. he just needed faster spine crawlers, and to not suicide for the pylon.

15hatch is unviable, it is absurdly greedy. Even the second greediest Zerg in the world (Morrow) accepts this.

wtf. no its not. 15hatch can hold anything if played right.



In ZvT maybe, I wouldn't say that in PvZ at all.


forge first against hatch first in pvz is a big joke

sure if youre a bad player. but a little micro shuts down any cannon rush.

There are many places where one can wall in a cannon with pylons and there's nothing you can do about it.

Plus things like cannon on the low ground on Taldarim.

It's so weird that people simply cannot accept that 15hatch in ZvP is not viable. There's a reason half the time pros try it they just die instantly.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 18 2011 13:02 GMT
#2693
On June 18 2011 22:01 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 21:59 youngminii wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:57 youngminii wrote:
Game 3 Start
Nightend V Dimaga
Current score: 1-1
Map: Shakuras Plateau
Nightend at 7 o'clock
Dimaga at 2 o'clock

3:00
Nightend going for a Forge fast expand while Dimaga goes Pool/gas first.

6:30
Dimaga starts a Lair while Nightend starts a Stargate.

7:30
Dimaga starts a third and a Roach Warren. Nightend making a Void Ray and is still on a single Gateway with all 4 Gas.
lalala
FinnGamer
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany2426 Posts
June 18 2011 13:02 GMT
#2694
The dreamhack.binarybeast site is redirecting me to localhost? What is going on?
"hopefully swing the favor in your advantage." - Day[9]
whiteLotus
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
1833 Posts
June 18 2011 13:03 GMT
#2695
bratok just got destroyed by storms
The bird of Hermes is my name, eating my wings to make me tame
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
June 18 2011 13:03 GMT
#2696
OMG 1 storm 30 marines at least lol
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 18 2011 13:03 GMT
#2697
On June 18 2011 22:02 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 22:01 youngminii wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:59 youngminii wrote:
On June 18 2011 21:57 youngminii wrote:
Game 3 Start
Nightend V Dimaga
Current score: 1-1
Map: Shakuras Plateau
Nightend at 7 o'clock
Dimaga at 2 o'clock

3:00
Nightend going for a Forge fast expand while Dimaga goes Pool/gas first.

6:30
Dimaga starts a Lair while Nightend starts a Stargate.

7:30
Dimaga starts a third and a Roach Warren. Nightend making a Void Ray and is still on a single Gateway with all 4 Gas.

9:00
Dimaga has no anti air except some Queens. Nightend harassing with a Void Ray and 3 Phoenixes.
lalala
JohnnyBlaze420
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia814 Posts
June 18 2011 13:03 GMT
#2698
fuckin eh nice storms from socke!
.lets get weird
Baituri
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands1501 Posts
June 18 2011 13:03 GMT
#2699
Socke and BratOK are so good,
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
June 18 2011 13:03 GMT
#2700
Perfect storm by Socke... Bratok is very much behind.
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