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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
I am loathe to give ghost a free pass for such atrocious reasoning, and then complete inactivity. He hasn't even attempted to explain himself, and I have trouble trying to conjecture a townie reasoning for it. My gut still says he is a VI-type role though, and it would make his play perfectly understandable. Nisani on the otherhand, I can definitely believe is scum. His posts just reek of knowing my alignment beforehand. ##vote: Nisani201 | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 02 2012 01:15 Mattchew wrote: austin why arent you voting iamperfection with me? Oh noes, I forgot. ##Vote: iamperfection Sorry about that. ##Unvote Why am I voting iamperfection over others? He, ghost, and nisani all seem in the same boat where they just dropped votes on someone for weak reasoning and left. Between them, we can't have the whole time, but I like finding a mafia in there. iamperfection doesn't seem to care about anything other than ghost's vote ghost doesn't seem to care about anything other than keirathi's early game effort and...HiroPro? While I agree that the hiro = town comment doesn't feel scummy, how is ghost as a scum player? Half of his posts are just questions to HiroPro and then ducking out. I don't see a scum agenda behind what he asked and what hero answered, it was just "what is happening/what are your reads," but I dislike that he only engages a single person in the thread. On October 01 2012 04:26 ghost_403 wrote: So, hiro, whatchoo think's going on in this here thread? On October 01 2012 04:40 ghost_403 wrote: Alright, Hiro, so who do you think we should be lynching today? So far, all you've done in this game is setup speculation (a big no-no), and what else? On October 01 2012 04:46 ghost_403 wrote: Hiro goes on my town list because no anti-town faction would be dumb enough to say that. Still wanna lynch Keirathi. Actually hadn't noticed the odd amount of hiro-only posts considering the size of his filter. nisani hasn't done anything since Drazerk reacted to Keirathi's initial unvote. Actually...nisani reads the towniest of the three to me? On October 01 2012 06:54 Nisani201 wrote: I recently played a game on another forum where I was pushed hard throughout the entire game because I made a small "newbie mistake" at the beginning. This game seems very similar and I don't want us to make the same mistake. Not sure what to think of ghost, I think it's pretty stupid for anyone to vote Kei. I'm also not sure why drazerk took his vote off kei, since it doesn't look like anything really changed his mind. I also think that Mementoss's "analysis" post was really stupid. It was a bad case on austin and the other half was him calling people town. He's on my radar but I'm still more confident in Drazerk. doesn't flip out when someone is looking at him. Gives some thoughts on other players, although they're tremendously small. Seriously. That post, that tiny answer, is basically the towniest thing I find in any of those three filters. Why am I lynching iamperfection over the other two? I don't give ghost as many town points as you do for his hiro post, and I find his hiro fascination odd. I'm more concerned with JH. I think you were right in noting that he de-lurked right after getting called out. But where you say he's explaining this thought process thoroughly, I disagree. I'm not sure I get the change between PTP3 and here, maybe I didn't read the early days of PTP3 close enough to see this, but I remember JH in PTP3 being standoffish and unwilling to do anything but push single players. Being passive certainly provides an alternative playstyle to that, but it's not actually...doing anything. It doesn't seem to actually be BETTER or anything than PTP3 JH, and I'd expect someone who was unhappy with a bad performance to want to follow it up with a good performance, which this isn't. This is just excuses for NO performance. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 02 2012 01:38 Mattchew wrote: Keirathi explain to me why you want to lynch ghost I already did. On October 01 2012 06:25 Keirathi wrote: This is the harder one. I honestly don't think that ghost is an idiot. He hosted two of my three newbie games, and definitely saw the amount of effort I put into Newbie XIX within the first 12 hours of replacing in, so theoretically he should know the way I play better than anyone else in this game (I've played in one game with about half of the players in this game). So why is he acting like that? Honestly, my first thought was Village Idiot, but I'm not sure if there's a VI-type role, and I think its pointless to speculate about it so I didn't mention it. I 100% think what he has said was anti-town, though. His whole reasoning for voting me was because I "looked through filters. and townies don't put in that much effort early in day 1". Which is such bullshit reasoning, that I can't even fathom a motivation for making it outside of VI. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On October 02 2012 01:43 austinmcc wrote: Oh noes, I forgot. ##Vote: iamperfection Sorry about that. ##Unvote Why am I voting iamperfection over others? He, ghost, and nisani all seem in the same boat where they just dropped votes on someone for weak reasoning and left. Between them, we can't have the whole time, but I like finding a mafia in there. iamperfection doesn't seem to care about anything other than ghost's vote ghost doesn't seem to care about anything other than keirathi's early game effort and...HiroPro? While I agree that the hiro = town comment doesn't feel scummy, how is ghost as a scum player? Half of his posts are just questions to HiroPro and then ducking out. I don't see a scum agenda behind what he asked and what hero answered, it was just "what is happening/what are your reads," but I dislike that he only engages a single person in the thread. Actually hadn't noticed the odd amount of hiro-only posts considering the size of his filter. nisani hasn't done anything since Drazerk reacted to Keirathi's initial unvote. Actually...nisani reads the towniest of the three to me? doesn't flip out when someone is looking at him. Gives some thoughts on other players, although they're tremendously small. Seriously. That post, that tiny answer, is basically the towniest thing I find in any of those three filters. Why am I lynching iamperfection over the other two? I don't give ghost as many town points as you do for his hiro post, and I find his hiro fascination odd. I'm more concerned with JH. I think you were right in noting that he de-lurked right after getting called out. But where you say he's explaining this thought process thoroughly, I disagree. I'm not sure I get the change between PTP3 and here, maybe I didn't read the early days of PTP3 close enough to see this, but I remember JH in PTP3 being standoffish and unwilling to do anything but push single players. Being passive certainly provides an alternative playstyle to that, but it's not actually...doing anything. It doesn't seem to actually be BETTER or anything than PTP3 JH, and I'd expect someone who was unhappy with a bad performance to want to follow it up with a good performance, which this isn't. This is just excuses for NO performance. ghost has provided opinions confidently. Do you feel that he is hiding something or just doesnt care about adding in extended explainations? Nisani is more of a meta read for me, but I see him play like this a decent amount Iamperfection is purposefully ignoring the rest of the thread and is not trying to actually help town with anything useful or anything that resembles effort. JH as i have said, is a lynch I would support but I would much rather lynch iamperfection | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On October 02 2012 01:43 Keirathi wrote: I already did. His whole reasoning for voting me was because I "looked through filters. and townies don't put in that much effort early in day 1". Which is such bullshit reasoning, that I can't even fathom a motivation for making it outside of VI. if you dont think ghost is an idiot you should try to extract the actual meaning from his posts than to just take them at hastey face value. He is saying, and I agree with, that your early "case" seemed forced and that you were faking putting in that much effort. You even agree with this when you admitted your case was bad and just meant for discussion. do you have anything else or is your entire read based on failed reading comprehension? | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
Amusingly, out of people who have talked to or about me, the one I'd be least suspicious of voting me also seems to be the one most inclined to actually wait for a good reason, and that's Keirathi. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 02 2012 01:59 Mattchew wrote: if you dont think ghost is an idiot you should try to extract the actual meaning from his posts than to just take them at hastey face value. He is saying, and I agree with, that your early "case" seemed forced and that you were faking putting in that much effort. You even agree with this when you admitted your case was bad and just meant for discussion. do you have anything else or is your entire read based on failed reading comprehension? ghost_403 wrote: Looking through previous filters when there's been, what, twenty posts in this game? No, that's not something that townies do. He didn't say I was faking putting in effort. He said that putting in that much effort early game is not something that a townie would do. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 02 2012 02:09 Keirathi wrote: He didn't say I was faking putting in effort. He said that putting in that much effort early game is not something that a townie would do. EBWOP: I guess he could have meant that he thought I was faking the effort and just making bullshit up. But that's demonstrably not the case. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On October 02 2012 02:12 Keirathi wrote: EBWOP: I guess he could have meant that he thought I was faking the effort and just making bullshit up. But that's demonstrably not the case. If you said "Not demonstrably", I could maybe agree. Saying "demonstrably not" is a bit harder to see. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 02 2012 01:59 Mattchew wrote: ghost has provided opinions confidently. Do you feel that he is hiding something or just doesnt care about adding in extended explainations? Nisani is more of a meta read for me, but I see him play like this a decent amount Iamperfection is purposefully ignoring the rest of the thread and is not trying to actually help town with anything useful or anything that resembles effort. JH as i have said, is a lynch I would support but I would much rather lynch iamperfection I don't think that ghost is hiding something (The hiro posts are odd but not...hiding something? A connection to look at if either flips), and I agree that Keirathi is missing part of why ghost voted for him. But dropping a vote on someone, walking away, and never engaging the thread when there's active discussion on your vote is not a thing I like. With most of us pretty inactive, it doesn't stick out as much as it would under different circumstances, but it's still not town conduct. Nisani and iamperfection both just look similar to me. I don't have experience playing with nisani, and their play is so similar this game that I'm not overly confident in choosing between them, and I find it unlikely both would be scum. I'd rather vote elsewhere and then see how nisani and iamperfection differentiate themselves over time. ##Vote: JingleHell Thinking about this I'm not sure I get the change between PTP3 and here, maybe I didn't read the early days of PTP3 close enough to see this, but I remember JH in PTP3 being standoffish and unwilling to do anything but push single players. Being passive certainly provides an alternative playstyle to that, but it's not actually...doing anything. It doesn't seem to actually be BETTER or anything than PTP3 JH, and I'd expect someone who was unhappy with a bad performance to want to follow it up with a good performance, which this isn't. This is just excuses for NO performance. has me convinced. If he really feels like he played poorly in PTP3, then the solution is to address the "poorly" part of that, rather than the "played" part. Being non-participatory isn't a better route. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 02 2012 02:13 JingleHell wrote: If you said "Not demonstrably", I could maybe agree. Saying "demonstrably not" is a bit harder to see. Take a look through Mattchew's meta and tell me if I was making bullshit up when I said: On September 30 2012 13:01 Keirathi wrote: For completeness sake, though, I did go back through all of your games up to Movie Star, and the only pattern was that you seem to claim town if you get into the thread early, and otherwise say you are catching up and reading the thread in your first post  | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
I can't put my finger on it... it just feels wrong | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On October 02 2012 02:20 Drazerk wrote: Does anyone think the JH lynch feels off to anyone else? I can't put my finger on it... it just feels wrong try and explain why it feels off this post sucks unless you do.. go gonzaw mode and just post everything you are thinking on the matter | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On October 02 2012 02:12 Keirathi wrote: EBWOP: I guess he could have meant that he thought I was faking the effort and just making bullshit up. But that's demonstrably not the case. this is funny cause you were faking effort and making bullshit up as you admitted | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On October 02 2012 02:20 Drazerk wrote: Does anyone think the JH lynch feels off to anyone else? I can't put my finger on it... it just feels wrong Well, it's based in misrepresenting my play now to me "not playing", when I'm actually "playing less agressively", for reasons that were explained. The inference they're using to push me is that I'm not participating, which I think is ridiculous. In particular since Mattchew isn't willing to push it, and Gonzaw insists that his vote is a convenient placeholder, and oh by the way, he'll be back after lynch, hope it doesn't go bad. It feels completely scripted and noncommittal, although I'm sure someone will scream OMGUS at me saying that. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On October 02 2012 02:06 JingleHell wrote: I'm noticing a trend. Both of the main people who want to lynch me are trying very hard to not be seen as the ones forcing the issue, and are basing it off of... not that much. That's Mattchew and Gonzaw, of course. Amusingly, out of people who have talked to or about me, the one I'd be least suspicious of voting me also seems to be the one most inclined to actually wait for a good reason, and that's Keirathi. Instead of spreading doubt on your lynch when it isn't even close why don't you put together a post explaining your top 2 scums reads with some sort of explanation why? Stop defending yourself at every turn and explaining yourself try to actually push a read for the lynch. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On October 02 2012 02:26 Mementoss wrote: Instead of spreading doubt on your lynch when it isn't even close why don't you put together a post explaining your top 2 scums reads with some sort of explanation why? Stop defending yourself at every turn and explaining yourself try to actually push a read for the lynch. Because I already fucking did that, and people promptly ignored it and accused me of not playing, using it as motivation to push me as a target without committing to it? | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On October 02 2012 02:24 Mattchew wrote: this is funny cause you were faking effort and making bullshit up as you admitted Where did I say I was faking effort and making bullshit up? I did catch someone as scum for saying "I'm town!" a bunch, and have been paranoid about it ever sense. And you did start the setup speculation, which I felt wasn't benefitting town. Both of those things might have been weak points, but they weren't WRONG. They were just weak. | ||
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