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On October 01 2012 20:28 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 08:53 iamperfection wrote:
@ memen why did you not include strongandbig when you mentioned that i did not include anything of "value" yet. Because the difference between you and him at that point was you were active at 3 different occasions in the thread and chose not to say anything. S&B was active at the very start of the game, and then never posted, theres a difference I consider that inactive. Anyways, needless to say, I really disagree on the meta arguement that you are town, by their point, it would seem that you are fitting your scum play. At least when you posted in Rockband mini you had a purpose and you're one liners had something to do with the important discussion in town. Here is the quote im referring to: Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 14:35 Keirathi wrote:On October 01 2012 14:33 strongandbig wrote:
oh also keirathi i think you said you have a slight meta-based townread on iamperfection, could you tell us about his meta in your opinion? if you didn't say this then whoever did say this pls answer that question but i think it was keirathi. It was me. I've played with scum iamperfection in a newbie game a couple months ago, and observed a few of his recent townie games. In his townie games he is cocky, while in his scum game he was careful and lurky. I know it was a while ago, and that doesn't necessarily mean he wouldn't be cocky if he rolled scum again if he was more confident in his play, but my initial read was town. His play sure looks careful and lurker to me. Compare to this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250 where he is pretty agressive and constantly active throguhout the discussion from the get go. ##Unvote: Austinmcc
##Vote: Iamperfection
its not my fault no one seems to give a fuck about ghost. Guy comes into the thread makes the worst case i have ever seen.
Let me break it down how it looks from my perspective the sequence of events.
Keirathi makes shitty case. (i thought it was shitty at the time)
Keirathi explains what he was trying to accomplish fairly well.
Ghost enters thread
Ghost says keirathi is scum because he is trying to hard (wtf)
Ghost say hiro is town because hiro is to dumb(wtf)
Ghost abandons thread.
Can someone explain to me how the fuck ghost can be town (preferably ghost)
I see no town motivation in the way ghost is acting and i think he just tried to act stupid on purpose and skate by day 1 by using the stupid "oh scum would never act that dumb" argument.
ghost is scum in my eyes.
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On October 01 2012 22:20 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 20:28 Mementoss wrote:On October 01 2012 08:53 iamperfection wrote:
@ memen why did you not include strongandbig when you mentioned that i did not include anything of "value" yet. Because the difference between you and him at that point was you were active at 3 different occasions in the thread and chose not to say anything. S&B was active at the very start of the game, and then never posted, theres a difference I consider that inactive. Anyways, needless to say, I really disagree on the meta arguement that you are town, by their point, it would seem that you are fitting your scum play. At least when you posted in Rockband mini you had a purpose and you're one liners had something to do with the important discussion in town. Here is the quote im referring to: On October 01 2012 14:35 Keirathi wrote:On October 01 2012 14:33 strongandbig wrote:
oh also keirathi i think you said you have a slight meta-based townread on iamperfection, could you tell us about his meta in your opinion? if you didn't say this then whoever did say this pls answer that question but i think it was keirathi. It was me. I've played with scum iamperfection in a newbie game a couple months ago, and observed a few of his recent townie games. In his townie games he is cocky, while in his scum game he was careful and lurky. I know it was a while ago, and that doesn't necessarily mean he wouldn't be cocky if he rolled scum again if he was more confident in his play, but my initial read was town. His play sure looks careful and lurker to me. Compare to this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250 where he is pretty agressive and constantly active throguhout the discussion from the get go. ##Unvote: Austinmcc
##Vote: Iamperfection its not my fault no one seems to give a fuck about ghost. Guy comes into the thread makes the worst case i have ever seen. Let me break it down how it looks from my perspective the sequence of events. Keirathi makes shitty case. (i thought it was shitty at the time) Keirathi explains what he was trying to accomplish fairly well. Ghost enters thread Ghost says keirathi is scum because he is trying to hard (wtf) Ghost say hiro is town because hiro is to dumb(wtf) Ghost abandons thread. Can someone explain to me how the fuck ghost can be town (preferably ghost) I see no town motivation in the way ghost is acting and i think he just tried to act stupid on purpose and skate by day 1 by using the stupid "oh scum would never act that dumb" argument. ghost is scum in my eyes.
Voting ghost is too easy.
I can easily find both scum and town motivation behind his actions, here:
Scum motivation:
-Create confusion with a terrible vote
-Act "arrogant" to avoid doing anything productive and get away with it
-Maybe use that "oh scum would never act that dumb" argument to skate by later
Town motivation:
-Thinks he's rough and all awesome and dandy and is trying to appear "cool" by using those "fuck you scum I don't care" attitudes many "vets" use in D1 hoping people go "oh ghost you are so awesome! I'm going to sheep you all game now" or something
-He's trolling and doesn't really care since it's the beginning of D1
-Like said before, he doesn't care and is just spouting anything that comes to his mind, whatever it is, without proof-reading or analyzing it before posting it
I can see why someone would vote for him and why you would vote for him, but something doesn't fit.
His "Hiro is town" post doesn't strike to me as scum at all. I don't think scum would call someone town out of nowhere without any scum motivation behind like the way he did, at least not in how I expect ghost to behave like scum.
He could still be scum for all I know, but I'd prefer we have some discussion behind it instead of going "ghost is dumb, lynch him".
For instance iamperfection, what do you think of the above?
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On October 01 2012 23:24 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 22:20 iamperfection wrote:On October 01 2012 20:28 Mementoss wrote:On October 01 2012 08:53 iamperfection wrote:
@ memen why did you not include strongandbig when you mentioned that i did not include anything of "value" yet. Because the difference between you and him at that point was you were active at 3 different occasions in the thread and chose not to say anything. S&B was active at the very start of the game, and then never posted, theres a difference I consider that inactive. Anyways, needless to say, I really disagree on the meta arguement that you are town, by their point, it would seem that you are fitting your scum play. At least when you posted in Rockband mini you had a purpose and you're one liners had something to do with the important discussion in town. Here is the quote im referring to: On October 01 2012 14:35 Keirathi wrote:On October 01 2012 14:33 strongandbig wrote:
oh also keirathi i think you said you have a slight meta-based townread on iamperfection, could you tell us about his meta in your opinion? if you didn't say this then whoever did say this pls answer that question but i think it was keirathi. It was me. I've played with scum iamperfection in a newbie game a couple months ago, and observed a few of his recent townie games. In his townie games he is cocky, while in his scum game he was careful and lurky. I know it was a while ago, and that doesn't necessarily mean he wouldn't be cocky if he rolled scum again if he was more confident in his play, but my initial read was town. His play sure looks careful and lurker to me. Compare to this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250 where he is pretty agressive and constantly active throguhout the discussion from the get go. ##Unvote: Austinmcc
##Vote: Iamperfection its not my fault no one seems to give a fuck about ghost. Guy comes into the thread makes the worst case i have ever seen. Let me break it down how it looks from my perspective the sequence of events. Keirathi makes shitty case. (i thought it was shitty at the time) Keirathi explains what he was trying to accomplish fairly well. Ghost enters thread Ghost says keirathi is scum because he is trying to hard (wtf) Ghost say hiro is town because hiro is to dumb(wtf) Ghost abandons thread. Can someone explain to me how the fuck ghost can be town (preferably ghost) I see no town motivation in the way ghost is acting and i think he just tried to act stupid on purpose and skate by day 1 by using the stupid "oh scum would never act that dumb" argument. ghost is scum in my eyes. Voting ghost is too easy. I can easily find both scum and town motivation behind his actions, here: Scum motivation:-Create confusion with a terrible vote -Act "arrogant" to avoid doing anything productive and get away with it -Maybe use that "oh scum would never act that dumb" argument to skate by later Town motivation:-Thinks he's rough and all awesome and dandy and is trying to appear "cool" by using those "fuck you scum I don't care" attitudes many "vets" use in D1 hoping people go "oh ghost you are so awesome! I'm going to sheep you all game now" or something -He's trolling and doesn't really care since it's the beginning of D1 -Like said before, he doesn't care and is just spouting anything that comes to his mind, whatever it is, without proof-reading or analyzing it before posting it I can see why someone would vote for him and why you would vote for him, but something doesn't fit. His "Hiro is town" post doesn't strike to me as scum at all. I don't think scum would call someone town out of nowhere without any scum motivation behind like the way he did, at least not in how I expect ghost to behave like scum. He could still be scum for all I know, but I'd prefer we have some discussion behind it instead of going "ghost is dumb, lynch him". For instance iamperfection, what do you think of the above?
His think about hiro reminds me of palmar from rockband just saying someone is town without giving a reason.
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if you don't give reasoning behind why you think what you think you can play it off any way you want thats why ghost is scum.
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On October 01 2012 20:28 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 14:35 Keirathi wrote:
It was me. I've played with scum iamperfection in a newbie game a couple months ago, and observed a few of his recent townie games. In his townie games he is cocky, while in his scum game he was careful and lurky. I know it was a while ago, and that doesn't necessarily mean he wouldn't be cocky if he rolled scum again if he was more confident in his play, but my initial read was town. His play sure looks careful and lurker to me. Compare to this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250 where he is pretty agressive and constantly active throguhout the discussion from the get go.
You completely missed the entire point of the post that you quoted of mine.
On October 01 2012 05:43 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 04:22 ghost_403 wrote:
I'm pretty happy lynching Keirathi right now. He's putting way too much effort into scumhunting on Day 1 to build up towncred. Looking through previous filters when there's been, what, twenty posts in this game? No, that's not something that townies do. I vote we lynch him today, and mementoss tomorrow. WHO'S WITH ME.
##vote keirathi We are seriously going to allow this crap? Ive played about 6 games of tl mafia and this is the biggest pile of crap ive seen yet. ## Vote ghost_403
This post, in my experience, shows townie iamperfection mentality. The fact that he's been lurking hasn't had anything to do with his alignment this game, because he has 3 games going at once and hasn't been posting in any of them.
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Yeah but ghost is not Palmar.
We all know how scum Palmar works, and that's a thing a scum Palmar would do. Is it a thing scum ghost would do?
(well, to be honest I don't remember him in any games where he was scum though)
Hmm, okay people, what do you guys think about lynching one of these guys:
JingleHell
Mementos
Nisani
CrossFire
austin
iamperfection
And if you'd switch to one of them, why would you do it?
Like I said before I have that same "weird" feeling about them, but again it seems none of them other than Mementos decided to show up to contribute at all.
It wouldn't bother me too much since it's D1, but we are getting too close to the lynch deadline and we have to choose a lynch.
We have like 0 information on the table, so it's VERY likely this lynch will be a misslynch, specially if there's some incognito scum in the group of Mementos/Hiro/Keirathi/(me lol)/etc that are driving discussion.
But fuck what else can we do, right?
I'm leaving in like 20 minutes and wondering if I should put my placeholder (or basically lynch vote) onto someone else.
I'm gonna eat now....so convince me people
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If we don't lynch S+B my next target would probably be JH because I just hate the wounded survivor act but its not really telling of alignment.
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On October 01 2012 23:44 gonzaw wrote:
Yeah but ghost is not Palmar.
We all know how scum Palmar works, and that's a thing a scum Palmar would do. Is it a thing scum ghost would do?
(well, to be honest I don't remember him in any games where he was scum though)
Hmm, okay people, what do you guys think about lynching one of these guys:
JingleHell
Mementos
Nisani
CrossFire
austin
iamperfection
And if you'd switch to one of them, why would you do it?
Like I said before I have that same "weird" feeling about them, but again it seems none of them other than Mementos decided to show up to contribute at all.
It wouldn't bother me too much since it's D1, but we are getting too close to the lynch deadline and we have to choose a lynch.
We have like 0 information on the table, so it's VERY likely this lynch will be a misslynch, specially if there's some incognito scum in the group of Mementos/Hiro/Keirathi/(me lol)/etc that are driving discussion.
But fuck what else can we do, right?
I'm leaving in like 20 minutes and wondering if I should put my placeholder (or basically lynch vote) onto someone else.
I'm gonna eat now....so convince me people
Any reason for leaving out mattchew, strongandbig, hiropro, keirathi, drazerk? lol you can't make a list with 6/12 players (not including yourself) That is way too broad, you can't think they are all scum, and its way too easy for scum just to pick one that is not scum and go hey look, why 6 players instead of maybe 3.
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On October 01 2012 23:45 Drazerk wrote:
If we don't lynch S+B my next target would probably be JH because I just hate the wounded survivor act but its not really telling of alignment.
Hey people. Awake and not busy right now, and catching up with the thread. (Uh-oh, I must be active lurking, how DARE I answer stuff directed at me?)
What, exactly, are you calling a "wounded survivor" act? If you're referring to me not wasting my time answering Gonzaw directly when he's being irrational, it's not worth it. The way he's posting is pretty much 100% guaranteed to incite an argument if I answer him, which is no good to anyone.
I'm seriously starting to get paranoid about Gonzaw. He wants other people to weigh in before he commits to a course of action, he posts in a way intended to spark arguments, he doesn't give a shit who gets lynched, and he spreads suspicion around like icing on a cake.
(Incoming accusation of OMGUS in 3, 2...)
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DEWBOP: Since when does gonzaw need convincing of who to lynch, isn't gonzaw the one that usually does the convincing?
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Matt, Hiro and Keirathi are all likely town.
S&B I'm torn off but wouldn't want lynched since I know he steps up his game after N1 (as seen in like all games I've been with him as town).
Drazerk is Drazerk, I see no reason to think he's scum and lynch him right now.
Yes, it's easy for scum to pick any townie from that list at random and point fingers, but there's no reason to believe him.
I trust some people here more than others, and it's the opinion of those that I'll take into account to determine my choice.
The "scummy" people would be forced to choose so I can see how they interact and contribute, but not to completely sway my opinion.
Well, tough luck I'm leaving right now.
You know what, fuck it:
##Unvote: iamperfection
##Vote: JingleHell
I don't really buy that "the world is against me" attitude and I haven't seen any contribution from him other than his scummy read on Drazerk (maybe his unvote is not that scummy, but it's the only thing I can go on).
Take into account that's a rash vote/placeholder, but oh well.
So long people!
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On October 01 2012 23:54 JingleHell wrote:
(Incoming accusation of OMGUS in 3, 2...)
Ha this is funny (I made my previous post before you posted yours though)
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On October 01 2012 23:54 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 23:45 Drazerk wrote:
If we don't lynch S+B my next target would probably be JH because I just hate the wounded survivor act but its not really telling of alignment. What, exactly, are you calling a "wounded survivor" act?
On October 01 2012 06:31 JingleHell wrote:Oh, and as for trying to be leader-y, after my dismal performance in PTP3, and worse, people listening to me while I was doing it, I'm trying to formulate more solid cases before going after people. I seem to have a knack for accidentally creating anti-town bandwagons, so I want to avoid a repeat of that.
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On October 01 2012 23:24 gonzaw wrote:
Voting ghost is too easy.
So, he's too scummy to be scum?
That's such a terrible argument, and TL Towns in general have this stigma of "scum would never do something that I think is stupid" and talk themselves out of good lynches. Just look at Risen's vote-change shenanigans in...LIII. I know I've been guilty of it myself, but is this really townie ghost? I haven't seen any games of his (except for the tail end of Death Note, recently), so I don't really know. I guess I'll go dig through his filters.
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On October 02 2012 00:05 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 23:54 JingleHell wrote:On October 01 2012 23:45 Drazerk wrote:
If we don't lynch S+B my next target would probably be JH because I just hate the wounded survivor act but its not really telling of alignment. What, exactly, are you calling a "wounded survivor" act? Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 06:31 JingleHell wrote:Oh, and as for trying to be leader-y, after my dismal performance in PTP3, and worse, people listening to me while I was doing it, I'm trying to formulate more solid cases before going after people. I seem to have a knack for accidentally creating anti-town bandwagons, so I want to avoid a repeat of that.
Well, sorry you don't appreciate the reason, but it's hard for it not to be foremost in my mind, this is my first game played since that performance. It was painfully embarrassing.
I'm not trying to make myself seem like a non-threat, or push my townie-ness with it, I tried to answer a (fairly valid) point, with my reason for not playing the same way. I probably over-made the point, but that can't much be helped.
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Alright, done some rereading. My number 1 concern at this point is the number of side squabbles and useless votes that we've got. Previous votecount had 6 people with votes, and I think we're still about as spread out as we were before. Stuff like:
Drazerk/snb very interested in each other. Both voting each other, in part, based on what seems to be "He should understand my play better." I don't want to lynch either of them today, and telling me that some other player should understand you better doesn't make me want to lynch that other guy. The votes feel entirely wasted.
ghost's vote is wasted. Votes keirathi for trying too hard, never engages anyone else who's talking about keirathi.
nisani201 still has a vote on Drazerk for Drazerk's initial response to Keirathi. Followed by very little else and On October 01 2012 06:54 Nisani201 wrote:
I'm still more confident in Drazerk.
Can't single people out for not contributing, but those votes look like they've been made without any attempt to convince anyone else, and they don't feel like they're serving a purpose.
JH, how is PTP3 pushing you to play this way? On October 01 2012 06:31 JingleHell wrote:
Oh, and as for trying to be leader-y, after my dismal performance in PTP3, and worse, people listening to me while I was doing it, I'm trying to formulate more solid cases before going after people. I seem to have a knack for accidentally creating anti-town bandwagons, so I want to avoid a repeat of that.
On October 02 2012 00:16 JingleHell wrote:
Well, sorry you don't appreciate the reason, but it's hard for it not to be foremost in my mind, this is my first game played since that performance. It was painfully embarrassing.
I'm not trying to make myself seem like a non-threat, or push my townie-ness with it, I tried to answer a (fairly valid) point, with my reason for not playing the same way. I probably over-made the point, but that can't much be helped.
Why exactly do you find that performance embarrassing, and how is it driving you to play the way you are this game? Is it just the constant pushing of Grush and trying to get people on that lynch?
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On October 02 2012 00:31 austinmcc wrote:
Why exactly do you find that performance embarrassing, and how is it driving you to play the way you are this game? Is it just the constant pushing of Grush and trying to get people on that lynch?
I led several rather key mislynches. As town. Pushing Grush was about the least embarrassing part of my performance, because frankly, he's useless. I do wish he'd died earlier in the game, though.
I don't remember all the specifics at this point off the top of my head, but almost every time I convinced people on someone, it made the overall situation worse.
Clearly, if I make too much case out of too little, it doesn't serve the town, so I'm letting things solidify in my mind and in the thread a bit more before going into hardcore push people mode, because once I do that, there's a tendency for someone to get lynched.
Being in a town-leader-ish position is only good if I don't also get nominated as the scumteam's MVP as town for it.
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