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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-05 04:06:57
February 05 2014 04:06 GMT
#2481
On February 05 2014 12:43 thrawn2112 wrote:
please clairfy rayn's role, the nght post only says bodyguard

Rayn is a Bodyguard Mason, Bodyguards do receive notification if roleblocked as they are prevented from doing their normal night action.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
February 05 2014 04:30 GMT
#2482
[12:35] <Mocsta> you are scum obviously
[12:35] <Mocsta> well played oats

scumclaim!!
No gg, No skill.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
February 05 2014 04:30 GMT
#2483
the two options

1) rayn faked his rb claim, mocsta can be town

-unlikely because of this, tis much too complicated of a thought process to fabricate just for the purpose of fake claiming rb

On February 04 2014 17:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
Medic saves are notified. Roleblocks on night actions are notified (however if you do not preform a night action you will not be notified if you do get roleblocked)


LSB wtf are you doing?


-it could have been a plan to trap scum, but that is unlikely because he only told BC the conf town who keeps secrets

2) mocsta is scum

i had a real strong town gut read on mocsta going into this but I have tried to think through all the possilbe scenarios and I cannot figure out any reason why rayn would have faked the rb claim, considering the way he claimed it and the way he talked about it afterwards (the lsb question)




So if mocsta is scum, why would he fakeclaim? The obvious answer is to frame rayn, but I don't think that's a good enough reason because Mocsta would have known the plan would result in a trade. But there are some other possible benefits. It removes rayn who had started talking about moc being scum, and it also sets me up to look worse after rayn flips green. Mocsta might have thought that he was going to die soo anyways and decided that this was the best way to go about it.

Out of the remaining players who aren't BC, I have a pretty strong town read on Oats and more and more I've been seeing bum as town.... which leaves slam.

Moc+slam
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 05 2014 04:31 GMT
#2484
Http://tny.cz/ed10dae7
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 05 2014 04:32 GMT
#2485
Thrawn. I'm disappointed in you
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
February 05 2014 04:34 GMT
#2486
sorry
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 05 2014 04:34 GMT
#2487
On February 05 2014 13:32 Mocsta wrote:
Thrawn. I'm disappointed in you

Http://tny.cz/c3768f3e

That's my response

Resume stands and I be laughing at you.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
February 05 2014 04:36 GMT
#2488
you know, it doesnt help to JUST post mason logs without analysing them.
No gg, No skill.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 05 2014 04:36 GMT
#2489
I'm on a phone and logs are on comp

That's the best u gonna get scum
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
February 05 2014 04:56 GMT
#2490
ahh wtf I think thrawn claimed scum.
+ Show Spoiler +
[12:54] <thrawn> so mocsat got roleblocked on n1
[12:55] <Oatsmaster> mocsta claimed rb on n1
[12:55] <Oatsmaster> does that mean anything?
[12:55] <thrawn> it means
[12:56] <thrawn> when he is insistent that LSB sent him that PM
[12:56] <thrawn> he's prob telling the truth, he just changed the date
[12:56] <Oatsmaster> no
[12:56] <Oatsmaster> thrawn you claim scum?
[12:56] <thrawn> ?
[12:56] <Oatsmaster> he cant ever get a rb pM
[12:56] <Oatsmaster> oh shit thrawn you MESSED UPPPPP
[12:56] <thrawn> lol oats
[12:56] <thrawn> take ur fake shit somewhere else
[12:57] <Oatsmaster> no
[12:57] <Oatsmaster> he cant ever get a roleblocked pm
[12:57] <Oatsmaster> there are no town roleblockers
[12:57] <thrawn> what if he is roleblocker
[12:57] <thrawn> and roleblocked himself
[12:57] <Oatsmaster> what
[12:57] <Oatsmaster> you cant do that
[12:57] <thrawn> why not lol
[12:57] <Oatsmaster> thrawn why did you just do it
[12:57] <Oatsmaster> whyyyy
[12:57] <Oatsmaster> because its a circle
[12:58] <Oatsmaster> like no host would do it
[12:58] <thrawn> lol
[12:58] <Oatsmaster> no scum would think about it
[12:58] <thrawn> well then moc is just being stupid
[12:58] <Oatsmaster> they would just ask LSB for the roleblock text
[12:58] <thrawn> anywas
[12:58] <Oatsmaster> nawww you scum bro
[12:58] <thrawn> that idea
[12:58] <thrawn> was from moc saying this
[12:58] <thrawn> "Two. I am not lying in any instance when I say that LSB sent me that."
[12:59] <Oatsmaster> yeah because LSB sent it as an example of a role pm
[12:59] <Oatsmaster> OR YOU ARE SCUM
[12:59] <Oatsmaster> not role pm

Mocsta cant get roleblocked if he is scum.
No gg, No skill.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 05 2014 05:38 GMT
#2491
Op oats

I can be Rb and submit myself

U successfully trapped rayn. Not me
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 05 2014 13:24 GMT
#2492
Guys, the plan



#1
DO NOT INSTA-HAMMER MOCSTA

3-2 MYLO: with 2 scum alive, only 1 town vote is needed to end the game.


#2
INSTA-HAMMER BUMATLARGE

why?

On January 29 2014 06:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is why bumatlarge is mafia:

+ Show Spoiler +

This is literally everything he has done in this game:
- Made a mayor campaign, but shared no reads at all.
- Suddenly uncampaigned and voted for BC.

Okay, what were his reasons:
- demotivated (bla bla)
- Agreed with BC's reads and they shared smae reads/lynch targets.

Let's look at the only real reason:
I asked bumatlarge what were these lynch targets they agreed on with BC. He told me Mocsta and GGTeMpLaR. I asked him to prove it with logs or PM's, because there is nothing about it in thread. He says he has no logs from irc because of some reason. BC refuses to give me those logs.

Anyways, this is what was discussed on Mocsta and GGTeMpLaR:


Original Message From bumatlarge:
Yeah pretty much, i dont have the IRC logs. I've spoken with him since then. It is possible is was trolling as town, but I didn't like it.

Show nested quote +
Original Message From raynpelikoneet:
Like that was your reason for suspecting Mocsta? All of it?

Original Message From bumatlarge:
The GGtemplar read was discussed in the thread.

Original Message From BloodyC0bbler:
well he could if there were no witness' lol

Original Message From bumatlarge:
I don't, but he can't deny he did it.
Original Message From BloodyC0bbler:
do you have the record of that convo with mocsta btw?
Original Message From bumatlarge:
yeah

Original Message From BloodyC0bbler:
on irc?

Original Message From bumatlarge:
Sweet, if you get mayor over me, consider mocsta. He faked his name to me, and thats ok if you are trolling, but when i started talking to him he didnt correct himself. He logged out and then logged in as his own name.

Original Message From BloodyC0bbler:
im busy next weekend, and my activity will be in spurts during the week based on work, but i currently have 0 plays between today and next weekend aside from dnd tuesday.

That leaves most of monday, wednesday, thursday and friday to play when not at work.

[quote]


Original Message From raynpelikoneet:
1 & 2)
- I wanted to lynch QP and only QP. Did not consider lynching anyone else.
- I considered BC scum since his refusal to talk with me about QP and his terrible lynch on Storr.
- I consider(ed) you scum because all you did was had a mayor campaign, then you dropped it for no apparent reason and just voted for BC with no reasoning.
- I considered Storr mafia because BC had him as #2 scumread but Storr refused to elect me and wanted to elect BC (seems pretty stupid given he is BC's top 2 scumread - apparently he was just stupid)

3) thrawn + thread. Blazinghand is clearly town for what i said many times in thread.

I would love to have your logs with BC and hopefully one of you guys have them and send them to me. Otherwise it's really goddamn fishy because BC has not really implied his interest in lynching either Mocsta/GG, ever.

Original Message From bumatlarge:
Can you give me
1) Who you were going to lynch
2) People you considered
3) People you were in contact with about these

I'm assuming number 1 and 2 are among these
On January 28 2014 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
QP
BC
Storr
bum


ezpz


But I want your clarification. I know you are thinking what I am thinking. I wasn't going to be too active, so there was no reason to stay in the race, especially if I know it wasn't going to gain momentum. I voted BC because he seemed to be on board with lynching mocsta or templar. Obviously things changed since then and I want to know who he else he was considering. BH and QP?


Okay so bumatlarge's reasoning for suspecting Mocsta is "he did fake someone to me in irc".
SERIOUSLY WTF?!?! That's the stupidest reason ever.

Reasons to suspect GGTeMpLaR; "It was discussed in thread". NO IT WAS NOT! YOU NEVER DISCUSSED ANYTHING IN THREAD!

One more thing, look at why and how bumatlarge votes for BC for mayor.
His reasons are "he shares a scumread on GG and Mocsta and wants to lynch them".
That's not correct, BEFORE bum votes for BC, BC has said he will lynch Blazinghand and the only other person he considers is Storrzerg. bumatlarge's story does not add up.

Here are the posts BC lays out his reads the last time before bum votes for him and bum's vote:
On January 28 2014 02:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
OK heres how things stand.

I have suitably been given enough Information via thread and irc to consolidate my read for the day.

IF elected, barring any shenanigans between now and the deadline, I will lynch BH.

The reasons for this are simple.

First off he "shared" Alakaslams role for no reason to VE. He has been unable to justify this to anyone I have talked to or to myself. Its day 1, and its fucked up that he would do it as town.

Secondly. He said he was planning on going out of his way to find a suitable candidate for the day and push them as he didn't want to be elected. He has then with "prodding" decided he was going to actually run. However this was over a day between these posts and he never at any point recommended anyone vote for one of the other candidates.

His scum read of VE is incredibly weird. He apparently trolled VE which got VE understandably confused. Then based on irc/in thread BH thinks VE is scum primarily in regards to a case Mocsta made. But never provided a new point of his own. He never clarified why he believes one of mocsta and VE has to be scum and the other town and how he made that differation.

Also his entire play has changed from the last 3 games hes played. In LXIII he was a third party assassin. In the first version of this game he was a town mason. In both those games he played a clearly distinct style. He is now showing a third style of play this game. Given he went third party, town, and now we have a third play style I am suspecting its scum.



The only other person I am currently considering as a suspect is storrzerg. His interactions with me were incredibly weird, and i know the general opinion of him from those he has played with before is that hes scum. I also know hes been far more active in pms than the thread thats fishy as fuck.

On January 28 2014 02:50 bumatlarge wrote:
##Vote BC

See the timestamps. Right![

+
On January 31 2014 11:53 Mocsta wrote:
Http://tny.cz/f33f03f6

Password; bumisscum



#3
The town resume
  • Led lynch on Coag
  • Led lynch on Balla
  • Bum tried to get me lynched scummily
  • Hours of Logs and was a trusted member of the circle
  • + I'M THE COP YOU IDIOTS


#4
For the balla doubters:

http://tny.cz/455c051d - Balla PMs

Led to:
On January 26 2014 14:32 Balla24 wrote:
I'm just bringing the info I get forward... it's probably too scummy to be scum or whatever but i'll let people make their own opinions.

It's pretty clear why it's scummy though:

1. You're asking for blue claims.
2. You aren't confirmed town.

There's absolutely no reason for you to be asking that for your reasons, but if you want that then you may as well just ask everybody to mass claim since the claims will probably make it to the thread eventually anyways.
On January 30 2014 03:03 Mocsta wrote:
[01:35] <Mocsta> "i'm just bringing the info i get forward"
[01:35] <Mocsta> "its proibably too scummy to be scum or whatever"
[01:35] <Mocsta> This is *erally* bad
[01:35] <Mocsta> (1) hes boosting his contribtuion as pro-town
[01:36] <Mocsta> (2) hes simulteanously discredtiing himself
[01:36] <Mocsta> + & - = 0 = blend = scum

##Vote: Balla24


TL;DR
Dont vote Mocsta. He is town.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
February 05 2014 14:38 GMT
#2493
nah.
No gg, No skill.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
February 05 2014 18:28 GMT
#2494
I guess I should defend myself against Rayns case, he was town after all. I voted BC because he said he'd be active and he talked about mocsta and Templar. I probably would have been ok with QP over storr, but BC had a plan. It's pretty much that simple, I think Rayn was salty for me not voting him, but all of his targets ended up being town anyway. The case bases a lot to only that point.

I don't understand what mocsta is trying to do... I'm not his partner don't believe him -_-
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 05 2014 23:15 GMT
#2495
On February 05 2014 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
nah.

Yeah

Thrawn. Mocsta is fully town brah

BC. Tbh, mocsta town

Slam. I'm not putting my bombs on modesta

Bum. Mocsta is not a villain at large

Oats. Mocsta is town


So yeah
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 06 2014 00:26 GMT
#2496
See. LSB is not doing the deadline cos he knows of ya plan to hammer me which will lose the game.

Confirmed guys.. I'm freaking confirmed
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-06 01:09:19
February 06 2014 01:07 GMT
#2497
Day 6

[image loading]


King BloodyC0bbler knew his time was up, they came for his bodyguards and now they came for him. The enemy found him beside the grave of his late bodyguard ran, apologizing for letting the town get out of control and lynching him.

There was not else to do but morn.

King BloodyC0bbler the Mason Mayor has died

It is 3 to lynch. It is a Lynch or Lose situation. This is a reminder that every vote is incredibly important right now and think twice about voting, even if you think it is a placeholder vote
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 06 2014 01:08 GMT
#2498
.....
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
February 06 2014 01:10 GMT
#2499
##vote mocsta
Together but separate, like oatmeal
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-06 01:12:53
February 06 2014 01:11 GMT
#2500
Balla24 will be cohosting this with me. Sorry for the delay. Send Night actions to me
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
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