I'll upload that now.

Anyway, I had this game with my friend yesterday, and it bothered me. Basically, he did a roach ling all-in, right around the time I moved out in shark mode, in the middle of the Xel'naga caverns map. If anyone can give me some advice, I would greatly appreciate it.

Here's the rep:

ALang

Canada288 Posts

January 22 2011 23:01 GMT

#222

I really like the idea of 'shark mode' to new players. It basically sums up exactly what you're supposed to be doing in two words. One thing I don't like is getting 8-9 sentries, I feel it delays the time you can go into 'shark mode' by too much. I think pressuring earlier is always better and I don't think waiting until 10 minutes is ideal. A lot of the time if you don't wait for 8-9 sentries and move to stalker zealot a little quicker on 3 gates, you can do serious damage very early or worst case back off and regroup as you expo.

GiygaS

Canada1043 Posts

January 23 2011 07:04 GMT

#223

So here's the upload link for the Mpeg4 file, i'm including it here so that people who really want to see it now, can see it, and it can later be uploaded to own3d.tv. So here it is: Incontrol PvT

GiygaS

Canada1043 Posts

January 23 2011 21:24 GMT

#224

Id really like some help with my rep, my initial thoughts are to not even enter "shark mode". Cause this stuff is all my friend can seem to do. But isn't that bad? How should I know he's doing these all-ins? Is there a warning sign?

Gecko

United States519 Posts

January 26 2011 20:02 GMT

#225

On January 23 2011 16:04 L1F3 wrote:
So here's the upload link for the Mpeg4 file, i'm including it here so that people who really want to see it now, can see it, and it can later be uploaded to own3d.tv. So here it is: Incontrol PvT

Holy crap this VOD was helpful, thanks man!

Thorxes

United States119 Posts

January 26 2011 20:27 GMT

#226

Does anyone know if anyone else has posted VOD's of their coaching sessiosn with Incontrol or anyone else?

I think they're a huge help, and assist in selecting a coach that works best for the way you learn the game.

I found a few key differences between incontrol and response and just wanted to get a better feel for other coaching styles before forking over $50-$100.

DarQraven

Netherlands553 Posts

January 26 2011 22:28 GMT

#227

Yeah, having some pretty big trouble with these roach all-ins using this build.

While it's been helpful to really focus my mind on macro macro macro mode, I feel the build needs work before I can reliably use this in Silver league. Problem is that Z 1base roach all-ins more often than not, which leaves me with a robo that's too late to defend with Immortals, a couple of sentries that can only hold my main base (so have to cancel expo if this happens), and that's when the money starts piling up.

With no really effective way to break out of my base and expand until two minutes later, I'm giving Zerg a free expansion and two-minute powerdroning session, all the while stockpiling minerals that I can't spend yet.

Problem is mostly that, on my level, the only way to really scout is looking directly at their base. Looking at their army tells you next to nothing, since opponents will quite often go into very bizarre unit compositions and tech switches.

So - let's say I scout that even at 20 food, the Z hasn't expanded yet. By this time, he's probably planted his Warren. How do I transition from there? :/ Seems from that point on, the Zerg is pressuring my with their potential all-in instead of me doing that to them in shark mode.

HyPeRcAiNe

13 Posts

January 26 2011 23:22 GMT

#228

can someone re-host this somewhere better

this download is taking forever

Monk___

United States123 Posts

January 27 2011 07:20 GMT

#229

not to be negative or sound like an asshole, but for a mid to high masters is this a valuable watch? I'm just curious cause its 2 hours long and I'm not sure if a lot of the coaching is based on improving mechanics or whatever or if there is really in depth stuff as far as strategy as well.

MementoMori

Canada419 Posts

January 28 2011 16:41 GMT

#230

On January 27 2011 16:20 Monk wrote:
not to be negative or sound like an asshole, but for a mid to high masters is this a valuable watch? I'm just curious cause its 2 hours long and I'm not sure if a lot of the coaching is based on improving mechanics or whatever or if there is really in depth stuff as far as strategy as well.

I'd say it's worth it in a way. I watched it and I'd say that yeah there's some more obvious things in there, but it's always good to hear some of those things get reinforced too. I'd just skip through them playing the first game and get to the replay analysis.

On a sidenote, very impressed with inconrol's coaching. Nice job man

Khaladas

United States223 Posts

January 29 2011 21:46 GMT

#231

Updated the replay and download link to use MediaFire, which seems to work better for everyone.

Malloy

Canada166 Posts

February 01 2011 20:27 GMT

#232

On January 27 2011 07:28 DarQraven wrote:
Yeah, having some pretty big trouble with these roach all-ins using this build.

While it's been helpful to really focus my mind on macro macro macro mode, I feel the build needs work before I can reliably use this in Silver league.

You should be scouting the roach all-in and adapting the build. Re-watch how iNcontroL scouts. He looks for the pool, then the gas, then delays the expansion. If that expansion doesn't happen...you need to modify your build. Send the probe in the base and look for lings or the Roach Warren. If the pool isn't building speed and you see the Roach Warren...get a cannon at your wall and build some stalkers. Only expand AFTER you defeat the push. The Zerg will be WAY behind.

You can't take a build and do the exact same thing every game, you need to adapt to what information you pull out of your opponent.

In silver league, the Zerg will also have a delayed push and will likely not be macroing at home while he is doing it. Take this to your advantage and keep making probes and pylons. When you beat the attack and expand, you will be able to saturate very quickly, and get a robo up really fast.

Also note that the initial sentries can be used to continiously block your ramp for a long time...Z will not be able to get around your force fields until burrow...and a P on one base is stronger than a Z on one base. Especially if only one hatch is present.

Canyarion

Netherlands14 Posts

February 19 2011 19:10 GMT

#233

I'm watching the video now. Thanks.

But man, that nervous needless clicking/buttonbashing is annoying to hear.

Kogut

United States147 Posts

February 19 2011 19:37 GMT

#234

On February 20 2011 04:10 Canyarion wrote:
I'm watching the video now. Thanks.

But man, that nervous needless clicking/buttonbashing is annoying to hear.

They are both using mechanical keyboards, so you're hearing every click. It's not buttonbashing.

Canyarion

Netherlands14 Posts

February 19 2011 19:50 GMT

#235

I meant the rediculous high apm while nothing is happening. I guess a lot of players are too nervous to stay calm during their matches. =)

Ero-Sennin

United States756 Posts

February 19 2011 19:55 GMT

#236

Have you never played Brood War?

Canyarion

Netherlands14 Posts

February 19 2011 21:40 GMT

#237

Not online.

I know that apm helps, but I also know it's possible to have a low apm when you don't need a lot of actions. I'm high diamond and my average apm is around 50.

dunc

Netherlands1105 Posts

March 18 2011 17:44 GMT

#238

Bumping this since it's very useful.

The first mediafire link doesn't work but at least the stream does!

CarlJ

Canada1 Post

March 18 2011 21:27 GMT

#239

Hey Khaladas,

First off, thanks for sharing your coaching session.

I'm at the 20 minute mark of your first game, and just wanted to mention a few things that I noticed, before continuing to watch the rest of it.

- I might have missed it, but it didn't look like you Chrono'd your warp gates.
- You need to scout a lot more. You had the early probe in his base, and a obs. But the obs pretty much stayed in his expo, and you didn't view what he had.
- Right now you have one massive control group with all of your units.
- Pylons, pylons, pylons. There were a few times (76 units) that you were supplied blocked.
- Move out. You seemed to mostly so far stayed at your bases. You did start to move out, but then pulled back. After that, you can see on your mini map that he had creep at both golds (didn't notice if he had a base at either one of them or both).

In a nutshell, you had no idea where he was, or what he was going for. For all you know he could of been massing up Broodlords + Corruptors and maybe some Ultras. You should use more obs out on the field, and should be harassing him, forcing him to tech switch, and limiting the number of bases he has.

Now back to the rest of the video.

Once again, thanks.

Carl J

LeCruci

Romania403 Posts

March 24 2011 22:03 GMT

#240

What is the price for a session with incontrol? I don't know if i'm allowed to ask this, ignore the question if you can't say. I'm thinking to take a couple of lessons myself.