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Hoo boy everyone loves to talk about Tryndamere.
JAT 'n' odin get townie points for asking LSB why bum not "following his plan" is super duper scummy. I don't get why saying you're going to pick some SUPER OBVIOUS role with KP and then not taking it makes you scum. [spoiler]On December 03 2013 07:11 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 03:34 LSB wrote:Responses to things pointed at meOn not banning mafia roles: Comeon guys, if someone picks and uses a mafia role, you kill em because they are scum. No sane townie would ever use the mafia role. Sure it makes things harder for the town, but if the mafia dares try to use their role, they are painting an easy target on their back. Honestly I'd be okay with not having one or two flips for a guaranteed mafia kill. It would have been really easy to point out who took what role after a mass role claim. However I wasn't here for the ban phase and that is already over so I'm not going to comment on that On December 02 2013 14:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I also really don't like LSB's claim. He's probably telling the truth about the role, but tryndamere is such a scum role it feels like he's trying to hide in plain sight by claiming it. He's barely posted so I can't really draw on a correlation between his behavior and possible motives for claiming but I don't like it and will be keeping a close eye on how he uses the role.
Of course I'm going to pick that role when I (as well as BC) singled it out as a power role. I am surprised that I actually got the role even though I am dead last pick. Speaking of Which On December 02 2013 06:05 bumatlarge wrote:
In this list, I'm going to try to take into account what people have said they would do. I don't expect people to follow this, but know that I will pressure people who are high on the list and do not want to disclose what they are picking.
15. bumatlarge - Tryndamere
I feel like tryn is too threatening for mafia, and hopefully mafia won't take it, or I'll know. I hopefully won't use it. What's up with this Bum? I would like a roleclaim please (Bumatlarge) as well as what you picked if you were VT. Or you can claim you went Tryndamere and we can both confirm our roles tonight. I don't understand supersoft's argument so I won't respond to it unless someone can explain it to me. Reposting the claim listI admit that I skimmed so I might have missed additional claims. Can someone tell me if there are any discrepancies Koshi [2][1] - ViktorKurumi [4][6] - Big Bad WolfVisceraEyes [5][4] - Luxjcarlsoniv [9][3] Mig [12][1] - Urgot?JonnyLaw [14][11] Risen [15][15] StorrZerg [23][23] geript [24][24] Warwick? -> VT?austinmcc [6][3] Meapak_Ziphh [6][14] Sandroba Fiora? Kenpachi[8][15] - VT?Rean [16][2] ?-> VTbumatlarge [16][12] -> BloddyC0bbler [17][5] Janna?justanothertownie marvellosity [7][2] - Blue Claimgtrsrs [7][11] Kha'Zix -> VTOdinOfPergo [7][16] Karma -> VTMocsta [1][5] ? -> VTsupersoft [1][30] Oatsmaster [1][1] Cho'Gath -> VTraynpelikoneet [1][1] - Shenkushm4sta ticklishmusic TaricRoffles Coagulation jaybrundage [Tabbz] Ezreal?LSB -> Tryndamere So you picked Tryndamere because it is a power role? I would have bought it if you said you picked it to confirm it is in the game but you are dead last on the draft list so besides that there is absolutely no reason to pick a scummy role. Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 03:56 LSB wrote:
Lastly I'm going to policy vote Bum for not following through with what he was pushing. Just for a point of reference in PYP2 (i think), I was SK and I pushed heavily a plan, and I deviated from it as a way to attempt to make sure I was invincible.
##Vote: Bumatlarge Where is the scum motivation for what Bum did? I don't see it. If his claim to pick Tryndamere made people look elsewhere that's pro town in my eyes. On December 03 2013 12:07 OdinOfPergo wrote:
You are 100% sure Bum is scum because he said he was going to pick trynd.... and didn't?
LSB I don't want to lynch because he poosh his stuff way way way too hard. + Show Spoiler [Also his confirmation plan is sillypants] +However, his magical "I'ma spin x distance and that will confirm me yayayayaya" is bad idea because (1) nobody cares if he's tryndamere or not (sry, ain't nobody sitting going "HOLY BALLS LSB IS WAY TOO FOCUSED ON TRYNDAMERE AND SAYING HE'S TRYNDAMERE. I BET LIKE HELL HE REALLY ISN'T TRYNDAMERE, I'M TOTES GONNA CATCH HIM WHEN HE CAN'T DO TRYND STUFF); and (2) nothing confirms you as tryndamere (other known roles let people move around the list, other unknown roles probably do as well, and we have no way of confirming how much kp spinning slash actually deals. Therefore, moving and doing some damage just means you have a role that moves and does damage, probably trynd, possibly other things, but again nobody cares and don't spin on townies)
Sand looks very townie just based on this - + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2013 20:41 sandroba wrote:
I like your list, with exception of gtrs. The fact that he tried to take kasix and I believe mafia would have taken kasix pretty high is holding some weight for me. I would sub in ticklish for him. Picks out a read, gives a thoughtful reason why he disagrees, and I agree with his assessment of Kha'zix being a decently high mafia pick if they go for it. Mainly though it's just coming by reads from thinking about the game as a whole.
i THINK this post is townie from bum, like...bum can't be scum because of it, but someone needs to argue with meOn December 03 2013 11:54 bumatlarge wrote:
I think VT's who tried to take a role not claimed should say so, not all VTs. That leaves too much blue information public. Asking for a partial partial claim (VTs should claim but only this kind of VT) feels like someone who is actually thinking about why he does/doesn't want people to claim. Also, it seems like PYP games often catch some mafia by hunting down a missing role above a VT. Given that this usually works in town's favor from what I remember, I think this post is town. Yar?
Don't want to lynch bum. This post is very townie-minded. Even if the rest of his filter is poopy, this keeps information hidden from scum - On December 03 2013 11:54 bumatlarge wrote:
I think VT's who tried to take a role not claimed should say so, not all VTs. That leaves too much blue information public.
I had MZ picked out as scummy from the way he was going after LSB. Going to reread MZ and a couple other folks, and will look at Jay now that he's come up, but I don't want to lynch any leading candidate.
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Marv, Mig since you're here. Why is bum more scum than LBS...
On December 02 2013 23:27 supersoft wrote:LBS is scum Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 09:07 LSB wrote:
Okay here is my DANGER DANGER list of roles who I want public. Should mafia get their hands on them and use them to their own devices it is basically gg. Viktor, Heimerdinger, Tryndamere, Janna, Kha'Zix
Now there is no way we would be able to tell who is who unless we have a mass claim. It's already late enough that we don't have a picking planed up. I would advice everyone to try to go for either the roles I listed or the roles BC listed.
Keep in mind, mafia did ban out all of the DT roles, so they probably have no problems with a mass claim. However, it is much better to have control and an idea of what these power roles are doing, rather than let mafia use them on their own. I thought about this a little. I think scum was afraid of a massroleclaim in the pick and ban phase. Sandroba was right with his post (100%bluetown etc). So what did LBS do. At first, he mentioned that scum banned out the detective roles. However that doesnt mean they have no problem with a massclaim. But that's not true. That was just one thing mafia did to keep the damage lower. Maybe they anticipated a roleclaim but as sandroba said. a roleclaim would still have been strong. Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 09:27 LSB wrote:On December 02 2013 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 02 2013 09:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Roles do not = alignment. Mass claiming roles really doesn't give anyone an idea of anyones alignment. And given the sheer fact every role has hidden shit Outing all that hidden shite is dumb. Mafia clearly didn't want to deal with dt roles this game and if anyones secret role info ends up being a dt why would you out that for mafia? Also people having x roles means any role that requires knowing someone elses role to activate or reach full power of said role gives mafia a huge advantage. It also lets mafia snipe more threatening roles to them more quickly and also makes it harder to determine peoples alignment given that they can shoot based off of "that role would suck to face" as opposed to offing people who are being solid townies, etc.. and thus throwing town into chaos.
Claiming is situational and a mass claim does not help the town anywhere near as much as it helps mafia. This post is totally wrong but i don't really care because people won't follow the plan anyways. I wouldn't say it is totally wrong. Ever since town decided the best idea was to ban out the obvious mafia roles, which was a horrible idea because those would be easy mafia kills, roles do not = aliment.However, giving mafia the power roles free reign is an incredibly stupid idea and come day I will be roleclaiming and voting anyone who doesnt then he agrees with BC who is basically against a roleclaim. BUT as a compromise he wants a late roleclaim!!! Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 11:05 LSB wrote:On December 02 2013 10:29 StorrZerg wrote:
whats your plan lsb? Everyone roleclaim after roles are given and this after-pick-mass-roleclaim looks like the original sandroba roleclaim. But it really isnt' now you have the disadvantages of a roleclaim (free bluesniping) and you DONT have the advantage of a 100% bluetown. Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 13:16 LSB wrote:
You have chosen Tryndamere!
I can change my position up to 5 players away on the signup list, dealing 50 dmg to each player
EDIT: Due to rules and this fits also in the picture. After he picked Trynda and realized he deals like 0 damage, he claimed and made his pick look harmless. I will be back later and do some meta research. Not sure, if we should lynch him today...
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On December 04 2013 10:02 marvellosity wrote:
bum I don't want great ideas, I want in-depth honesty and thoughts about the game and people if you're town. Or an attempt at faking it if you're mafia. Asap would be bloomin' lovely.
Short version: I tried to be cool by denying tryndamere and nabbing lux, because Risen wasn't taking it, but then LSB said he had trynd so it was worse then a lie. It was a caught lie rather then a confessed one which I intended it to be. I don't know how LSB ignored me and went for that, but don't let my flip effect your read on LSB. Sandroba is right in theory, but it's really just bad luck that he's wrong.
Perhaps I went too hard on jcarlsoniv, but I was and am sure he's scum. You can't fault me for being proud of it. I'll give reads now. I think I'm pretty close to what the actual scum team is so getting lynched might be better at this stage for town.
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LSB has been talked about and I just quoted a post from sandro which I said I agreed with, please say why you disagree with it if you believe LSB to be mafia
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Oh, Kurumi likely town for saying BC starting people banning urgot was good because urgot's other ability likely a bus (odd thought, figuring out game, no need for scum to add that), and I think was right about MZ's potato-ness.
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On December 04 2013 10:11 marvellosity wrote:
LSB has been talked about and I just quoted a post from sandro which I said I agreed with, please say why you disagree with it if you believe LSB to be mafia
I already did:
On December 03 2013 07:24 supersoft wrote:
i just reread. Marv, sandro, you said you have a hard time imagine that LBS might do that as scum.
Do you think it's too cocky? Because I thought it might be pretty cocky... Openly pushing a strange plan.
But as i pointed out. It did only look like a variation of the original plan...
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On December 04 2013 10:00 marvellosity wrote:As an aside, these were the posts I wanted to think about Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 03:42 justanothertownie wrote:On December 02 2013 09:07 LSB wrote:
Okay here is my DANGER DANGER list of roles who I want public. Should mafia get their hands on them and use them to their own devices it is basically gg. Viktor, Heimerdinger, Tryndamere, Janna, Kha'Zix
On December 03 2013 03:34 LSB wrote:
Responses to things pointed at me
On not banning mafia roles:
Comeon guys, if someone picks and uses a mafia role, you kill em because they are scum. No sane townie would ever use the mafia role. On December 03 2013 11:55 LSB wrote:
My night action is gonna be to move 3 up. Though unless some friendly helper would like to give me more KP, it's gonna be more like a feather than a hammer Does anyone else see the logical problem here? He lists Tryndamere as mafia role, claims someone who picks a mafia role is scum if he uses it, picks Tryndamere and wants to use it although nobody disputes his claim. There is NO REASON for him to pick this role at all because he is dead last on the draft list. On December 03 2013 12:04 LSB wrote:On December 03 2013 12:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LSB I will take you using your role tonight as a scum claim. Yo, there have been multiple people questioning whether or not I'm actually Tyr and multiple people questioned whether even if I am Tyr if my self reported damage is correct. Sitting on my role is a horrible horrible idea and the quickest way to get lynched day 2. Plus I want to kill Bum. Actually that's most of the reason I don't get why it is horrible to sit on your role. If you are lynched Day2 it won't be because you did not verify your roleclaim. If LSB is scum it makes sense for him to roleclaim after he found out how useless his ability truely is (50 dmg...). If it was more powerful he could have saved this for the right moment or he could have fakeclaimed. Add to this how he did almost nothing besides going roleclaim, roleclaim, roleclaim... Going to look at JonnyLaw and Bum filters now. Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 03:57 sandroba wrote:
People voting LSB here is what I think:
It is only possible LSB is scum if bum is scum.
If Bum is town and LSB is scum, LSB wouldn't have taken trynn, because his team would have told him not to do so since Bum was probably going to take it.
If Bum is scum and LSB is scum, he could have dropped it to LSB, but I don't think that's the most likely scenario.
If Bum is scum and LSB is town and just replaced in and didn't read bum's plans he could have went for tryn. This seems likely to me because LSB only noticed Bum didn't follow his own plan after BC called out bum on it.
The other scenario is bum and lsb are town, which is also possible.
But the base line is, if you think LSB is scum vote Bum first. I bet you any amount you want that if LSB was scum and just replaced in he would have consulted with his team before picking something and they would have told him Bum was planning on picking trynn. By and large I agree with sandro's reasoning I think, and I noted your post down jat because I agreed with the first half of your post when I read it. LSB posted stuff about it in the interim and I have no idea at all if I buy what he says. I just don't know lol.
Hm, I don't know. I still think it is possible for LSB to be scum if bum is town. The only question for me is: is it really possible for LSB to play like he did as town? I have no idea - I never played with him but it makes no sense to me.
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On December 04 2013 08:00 Mig wrote:
Jay can you explain why you tried to take lux with the 2nd to last pick. You thought nobody would try to take pretty much the only cop role not banned out?
Cause I liked her power seemed very useful for town. I never saw her mentioned before so i thought i would give it a shot.
On December 04 2013 09:26 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 09:21 justanothertownie wrote:
1) You might be right about the fake paranoia.
2) Would you really try to snipe one specific player? How could that even work? Seems ridiculous to me.
Do you still think rayn is scum? I don't see why he wouldn't. If he's that concerned about Marv being scum (that's practically his only discussion) then I don't see why he wouldn't concern himself with trying to get that role. Yes, it's seems ridiculous to normal rational thinking, but you also have to remember that paranoia is by definition irrational. The fact that he isn't being irrational really bugs me. As far as thinking rayn is or might be scum, honestly I have not clue. There's no way he gets lynched today so there's a real point in me trying to get an assessment on him in any regard right now.
I have tunneled reallllllllllllllllllllllllllllly hard before, If i thought someone was scum I would witch hunt them all game until I got there blood. One game I did this to a player I had played with together as scum buddies. I was town and thougth they were displaying scum traits. And i tunnelled the whole game. Until finally they died and they were green. At that point the game was over for us. A scum had gotten a hold on town and my tunneling helped us lose that game. I have tried to improve my self by not being irrational when playing mafia. Tunneling Marv and shitting up the thread would help no one.
As well i know my case was weak. The biggest reason I wanted to get it out there is because even if Marv is playing great and looks like a townie. He still has a good chance of being scum. I don't have alot of influence and I'm not the best scum hunter. I know this I don't typically play in big games and I like to stick to minis and even then, I'm pretty useless day 1. I find going on no concrete information difficult. (Oh no your playing your self down as a townie and trying to make your own opinion useless that's scum play. I don't give a fuck I know my limits. I am not the best player and I know I have big weaknesses.) I would prefer to state my weaknesses then talk my self up and make up shit.
On December 04 2013 09:32 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 09:31 geript wrote:On December 04 2013 09:29 marvellosity wrote:
lol jay is mafia. Christ. Is this like you're agreeing with me thing or a "you're out of your fucking mind again geript" thing? It's a "I just got to his post in the thread and it's fucking terrible thing". His last 3 posts Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 06:50 jaybrundage wrote:
My reasoning for going after Marv is because I played a good scum game and I'm very wary of him cause he won the game for his team. Would scum go after a Vet like Marv let alone my scum play. I basically lurk super hard as scum I wouldn't go after someone like Marv because that would draw unwanted attention. Regardless read my meta or drop the case, cause its shit. Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 06:50 jaybrundage wrote:
VE gimme some of your scum reads so I can go reread filters later tonite. Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 07:56 jaybrundage wrote:
I really liked LSB's post about Bum.
Also sandro's had some good points too.
##Vote Bumatlarge
Also i have been seeing this crop up.
I'm a VT I tried to take lux. Last post is almost directly a scumclaim it feels like. I don't know if I'm overreacting.
I'm sheeping a read I liked. The main candidates are LSB and Bum. I liked LSB's theory about picking Tryndamere. Also between the two candidates Sandro stated that Bum is the more likely. I have a towniesh read on Sandro.
I'm not much of a scum hunter day 1. I accept this. Is a townie sheeping people he things town scummy. Cause that just seems dumb.
On December 04 2013 09:33 marvellosity wrote:
"I lurk superhard as scum" ------> goes missing for 24h and comes in with a terrible, generic +1 vote with no thought behind it.
I find this line of thinking dumb. As if everyone that has a vote is gonna add a completely profound line of thought that is unique of everyone else's. I'm fucking sheeping. I'm not gonna make up a bullshit reason why I'm voting for Bum. I could quote the post's I liked. But wouldnt make a difference my action is the same.
On December 04 2013 09:38 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 09:35 geript wrote:On December 04 2013 09:33 marvellosity wrote:
"I lurk superhard as scum" ------> goes missing for 24h and comes in with a terrible, generic +1 vote with no thought behind it. What do you think of the paranoid argument. The more I think about it, the more I realise that a paranoid town Jay would be more pessimistic of people in general. The focus on Marv seems doesn't make sense with the jump to Bum. When I played with jay in nomination; he was unpredictable and confused as town (i.e. would flip reads instantly on new information). He's not showing any signs of this paranoia; its all suspicion that could have been said pre-game... as his reasoning for marv being scum weren't in-game related.
That's why I'm Numba 1 LYNCH BAIT NA
I haven't been able to get involved in this game as i like. (I know saying shit like this is discouraged but its the truth) I avoid big games like this, but it was lol themed  I had to join.
On December 04 2013 09:45 Mig wrote:
Does anyone have experience with jay's town game and how much effort he generally puts in?
I think I may know this jay your talking about. He's a crazy mutha fucka who likes to have fun. Really shitty day 1. People that dont play with him always want to lynch him. Hes rather easy to read later on cause he lurks hardcore as mafia. If the game goes on hes easier to find out. The main difference between this game and his normal games. Is this is a Normal Size (Big) mafia game and his forte is minis so he may not be able to be a real threat presence till later on.
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Loooool Austin scum.
I dont really agree with the Bum scum for LSB scum because why would town pick Trynd? It looks patently useless. It sounds like LSB picked trynd for scum and is trying to justify it going mehhh, should confirm one of the more useless roles
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okay. I now got to the tryndamere story again while rereading. I have a really hard time believing that bum and LBS are scum together. Something doesn't fit together here.
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On December 04 2013 10:15 austinmcc wrote:
Oh, Kurumi likely town for saying BC starting people banning urgot was good because urgot's other ability likely a bus (odd thought, figuring out game, no need for scum to add that), and I think was right about MZ's potato-ness.
Don't really give a fuck who you think is town, who is mafia?
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On December 04 2013 10:15 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 10:11 marvellosity wrote:
LSB has been talked about and I just quoted a post from sandro which I said I agreed with, please say why you disagree with it if you believe LSB to be mafia I already did: Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 07:24 supersoft wrote:
i just reread. Marv, sandro, you said you have a hard time imagine that LBS might do that as scum.
Do you think it's too cocky? Because I thought it might be pretty cocky... Openly pushing a strange plan.
But as i pointed out. It did only look like a variation of the original plan...
That's nothing to do with the post I just quoted from sandro, please read the thread
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On December 04 2013 10:11 marvellosity wrote:
LSB has been talked about and I just quoted a post from sandro which I said I agreed with, please say why you disagree with it if you believe LSB to be mafia
I guess I'm not too certain he is? He ignored me when I said I was picking trynd. I'm basing LSB off the fact that I'm town. If you look at it like that, it's pretty unnatural for LSB to have trynd. The best explanation is that we are both mafia and we messed up, and I can understand why people think that.
Just have to roll with the punches.
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Jay, did you start pregame thinking 'pressure marv cause he doesnt look like scum as scum'?
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On December 04 2013 10:15 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 10:11 marvellosity wrote:
LSB has been talked about and I just quoted a post from sandro which I said I agreed with, please say why you disagree with it if you believe LSB to be mafia I already did: Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 07:24 supersoft wrote:
i just reread. Marv, sandro, you said you have a hard time imagine that LBS might do that as scum.
Do you think it's too cocky? Because I thought it might be pretty cocky... Openly pushing a strange plan.
But as i pointed out. It did only look like a variation of the original plan...
and i don't like your tone, marv.
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Be wary of people calling me town, especially people who know me. I pull this kind of shit all the time, and if didn't know my alignment, I'd think I was scum.
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super, whether you like my tone or not is of supreme indifference to me. Darling.
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On December 04 2013 09:54 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 09:52 JonnyLaw wrote:
Jay's obviously not helping the town but why does his last post bother you so much? Is it the comment that he likes LSB's read on Bum? That post doesn't say much to me.
His initial attack on you seems motivated by how much you burned his ass in the last game more than anything. I see where it could be used to gain town cred but what a weird way to go about it. Basically last time he posted he was promising to read filters and contribute to the game. He comes back to the thread with some indication that he has in fact read the thread (enough to mention LSB and sandro and what they said about bum) but literally has no other contribution of note. He's totally opted out of doing anything today, which fits in much more with how he plays mafia than how he plays town. He seems to have zero interest in thinking critically about the game or doing anything. It reads like he made that post because he HAD to, not because he wanted to.
Yea this would bug me too. I never got around to reading filters. At that point There were already two main candidates and out of the two I liked the Bum wagon better. Can't recall the people VE mentioned but i think Jcarl was mentioned and maybe? LSB. Sandro made the post saying how Bum would be mafia for LSB to be mafia and Jcarl wasn't a viable lynch option. This late in the day we needed to consolidate.
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So bum you picked Lux also? Were you not concerned that at 15 the only cop in the game would probably be gone?
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