EPTOn January 22 2009 10:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
NaDa > FrOzean
RuBy < Canata
FrOzean > RuBy
NaDa > Canata
FrOzean > Canata
Predictions
NaDa > FrOzeanRuBy < CanataFrOzean > RuByNaDa > CanataFrOzean > CanataNvm
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thestool91
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Deletrious
United States458 Posts
On January 22 2009 15:24 Crippen wrote: Anyone know how to run DAUM player through a proxy? Here's a list of Korean proxies in case someone figures out how to run DAUM through one of 'em. http://www.xroxy.com/proxy-country-KR.htm I poked around with this, it seems to be F5, then second menu from right where you would type in a proxy. I tried two from the list you gave, has not helped. I may be doing it wrong. If anyone gets it too work please let people know how. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
These are my predictions. And they've been right so far :/ | ||
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Descent
1244 Posts
Frozean > RuBy is the set for those who went 0-1 in their first games. He just listed the 3rd and 4th sets in a different order. | ||
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mmgoose
769 Posts
On January 22 2009 15:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Here's that article. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=65799 Read it if you like NaDa, or don't know much about him. thanks! | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
NADA > ANYTIME NADA > FROZEAN NADA > CANATA YAAAA : D 2009, comebackyear of nada gogogog :D | ||
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United States4126 Posts
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deathgod6
United States5064 Posts
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SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
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JWD
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On January 22 2009 14:25 RivetHead wrote: He was never the best tvt, its just supposedly his best matchup. Actually, this is debatable. I'm going to make the argument that, in spring 2008, Canata had the world's strongest TvT.OK, take a trip in your wayback machine to February 14, 2008. Arena MSL qualifiers are underway and the 2008 Shinhan Bank Proleague is just about to commence. Canata is already recognized as a TvT sniper, but he's probably more famous for being the "failed" T1 Terran prodigy - never living up to his masters BoxeR and iloveoov. Anyway, Canata is playing in the MSL Survivor tournament and 2-0s his group - including a win against RuBy.From this point, Canata advances to 2-0 his Arena MSL group by owning Sea and UpMagiC who, at that point, were arguably two of the strongest TvT players out there. + Show Spoiler [NB] +Those MSL wins were wins 1, 4, and 5 of Canata's 10-game TvT winstreak. 2 and 3 were DarkElf and none other than Flash - and let's not forget that this was at exactly the time when Flash was absolutely indestructible. I mean this kid was fresh off his Bacchus OSL romp and he was playing flawlessly. And Canata comes out in the first match of the 2008 Proleague - a match for which Flash had no excuse not to be prepared - and just destroys the Ultimate Weapon in a straight up game. For some perspective, consider that Flash had won 5 games straight before this game with Canata - all vs.  Stork (GSI and Bacchus) - and after this game he went on to win 11 more games straight (including vs. Bisu in the ace game of the match in which Canata scored his win). In other words, were it not for Canata, Flash would have gone on a 17-game winstreak (ceteris paribus).This was not a case of 14cc -> BO loss from Flash - in fact, Flash proxied his first rax in the middle of the map and it was Canata who had to deal with early aggression. Basically, anyone who thinks Flash was the best TvT player at this time should watch this game. It's hard to argue with game results. Win 6 of Canata's streak was against fOrGG on Wuthering Heights, and let me tell you this game was a piece of art. Less than two months before fOrGG would 3-1 Flash in the Arena MSL (perhaps laying claim to "strongest TvT", if briefly - especially considering his ez pz 2-0 of Sea in the Ro16), Canata took him to school in a straight up domination. Early defense with flawless micro/repairing, transition into super-effective dropship play, well-timed expansions...this game was Canata's TvT at its peak. If you want to watch: Wins 7, 8, and 9 were cleanup against SaiR, GanZi, and Lomo in the Proleague. Let's not forget that this win against Lomo came less than a week before Lomo dropped 2-3 to Flash in the Arena MSL, meaning that Lomo was a) at the height of his SC career thus far and b) practicing TvT like a madman. Win 10 of Canata's TvT winstreak, which placed him in a tie for the longest TvT winstreak of all time, was a cakewalk against RuBy (who, coincidentally, was also the first victim of Canata's streak).Fittingly, it was the perennial TvT master Iris who broke Canata's streak in his next PL game (on July 1, 2008). However, Canata turned right around to beat go.go in T1's Proleague semifinal against OGN (T1 lost 3-4 when Bisu lost to  Luxury in the ace...the 2008 PL was a trying time for Bisu fans to say the least).I contend that, in spring 2008, for the duration of this 10-game winstreak, Canata was the best TvT player in the world. Who are the other contenders: Flash: undoubtedly the best player in the world over this period, however, see above: he lost to Canata. This should be enough said, but I'll pile on a bit more evidence. Flash went 10-4 against Terran over this period, which seems comparable to Canata's 10-0 considering how many games Flash was playing. However, his three non-Canata losses were to fOrGG, RuBy, and go.go - all players Canata beat over this period. Flash was also on the verge of proving that his TvT was quite mortal by squeaking past Lomo 3-2 and then dropping to fOrGG 1-3 in the Arena MSL.Sea: lost to Canata. Also lost to fOrGG in the Arena MSL in quite spectacular fashion.Iris: Iris has always been ridiculous at TvT (~57% winrate even now) but over this period in spring 2008 he was basically off the map - going 6-5 in PL and playing in only the GSI. Also, and this is pretty key, during Canata's TvT streak Iris went 1-5 against other Terrans. 4 of those losses were to Sea, Flash, UpMagiC and Lomo - all players that Canata beat during his streak.fOrGG: lost to Canata (again, see above).Lomo: lost to Canata (see above).UpMagiC: ditto.firebathero: purely from a subjective "game quality" standpoint, in spring 2008 I think FBH had the strongest TvT of any Terran that Canata did not beat. However, he also had some really ugly losses: to HiyA, TheStC, go.go, and fOrGG. Canata beat the latter two during his reign, and no doubt would have manhandled the former two.Mind: see above.Hwasin: Hwasin was playing decent TvT at this point. He went 9-4 while Canata went 10-0. However, Hwasin had the luxury of playing NaDa four times over this span (going 3-1). He also met powderpuffs Sunny, FrOzean, and Special. Hwasin's losses were to Mind, Sea, NaDa, and Midas - Canata owned Sea and was easily playing more convincing TvT than Mind or Midas at this point.Who's left? Just to be thorough, let's consult this thread for the players who boast a peak TvT ELO higher than Canata's, at the end of his 10-game streak. Canata's peak TvT ELO at that point was 2138, which puts him at the tenth-highest peak TvT ELO of all time. Who's ahead of him? Players I've already dismissed above are crossed out. XellOs: 2193NaDa: 2183iloveoov: 2159Goodfriend: 2153Casy: 2145Canata: 2138Note: some players' peak TvT ELOs may now be higher (Flash, Sea?) but that's irrelevant for the purposes of this post. That leaves XellOs, NaDa, iloveoov, Goodfriend, and Casy to challenge Canata for "best TvT" in June and July 2008. I hope I don't have to explain why those choices are ridiculous. The argument stands: In spring 2008, Canata displayed complete mastery of the Terran versus Terran matchup. He went undefeated in ten games from February 14 to July 1, beating many contenders for the title of "best TvT" in straight up fights. Other Terrans' vT game just didn't stand up to Canata's in this period. -- Much love to TLPD ^^ ...and sorry for triple post  | ||
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
To Samurai, there should be a sports media daum link in the first couple of posts or in the OP but I haven't looked. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On January 22 2009 16:11 Samurai- wrote: where can you watch this? Try Daum pot player: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=56443 | ||
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On January 22 2009 16:15 oneofthem wrote: flash is the best tvt over a larger number of games. This post is almost completely unrelated to my argument but...I totally agree. | ||
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skuj
United States302 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On January 22 2009 16:18 Avidkeystamper wrote: I guess Leta hasn't been on the scene long enough? Leta was "on the scene" in this period (he was just starting to make waves in PL) but he was not established as a good player and his TvT was really untested. He only played against pretty weak players, and dropped several of those games - vs. Sunny comes to mind. | ||
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