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A McGann
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SMcCoy
228 Posts
I have to admit you have a vivid fantasy though. I am 100% sure about Troughton being scum, but if we examine the scenario where Troughton is town and Tennant is scum, why would Tennant not immediately slap his vote down onto Troughton once the case popped up? He still took a bit of time to think about it. I think you didn't look properly. Hi there. On May 30 2013 22:12 DrTennant wrote: PTroughton2 you seem to have not mentioned me all even though i am the major headline of this game why? On May 30 2013 23:01 TomB4 wrote: can someone explain to me their reasoning for voting DrTennant? Having read over his posts and the posts of others several times now, I still don't understand why he's receiving votes. Someone explain it to me like I'm brain-dead or a five year old-exactly why he is the best lynch for today. I'd much rather get PTroughton to say something worthwhile. I expect players in this game to avoid bullshitting and roleplaying given that it's a smurf game and it's in our best interest to get things organised rapidly. Trolling around is in direct opposition to that goal, particularly as we are at a huge disadvantage to a normal game in which we can use meta-analysis to determine whether behaviour of a certain type is to be expected. ##vote PTroughton2 On May 30 2013 23:42 JPertwee wrote: I think Dr. Tennant would be a good lynch today for the reasons others have touched upon, but I do think there would be a better lynch for today. PTroughton's first post says almost nothing, and the few things it actually says are wrong. He starts by going after H3's manner of speaking (blunt, small posts) while saying that he's trying to avoid contact with the rest of the people in the thread. I read this entirely as the opposite, while his posts are small and blunt, they also read as genuine conversation from H3. He's certainly not hiding from the discussion at all. Troughton then states that H3 is lurking. Where could he have possibly gotten this from? This is a complete lie about H3's activity. The best part: Troughton has only made 1 post halfway through day one, and is trying to get H3 lynched based on "lurking". It would not take more than 5 minutes effort to make a case on H3 that actually holds up, at least at first glance, but Troughton couldn't even be bothered to do that. He goes after something that a lot of townies do these days, and then lies about his activity. Dismissing all of the roleplaying he appears to be attempting, he is quite obviously scum. He tried using his roleplaying to cover up for the fact that he has not read the thread, and is not invested in the game. PTroughton is quite obviously the best lynch today because he is scum. I will consolidate on Dr. Tennant if it comes to that, because there's a distinct possibility he is scum, but I believe Troughton is caught red handed. On May 30 2013 23:42 JPertwee wrote: ##Vote: PTroughton On May 30 2013 23:48 DrTennant wrote: pt not talking about me at all is a big red flag in my eyes as well. I could kill him. I think you have a point that he may not be reading the thread. how can he not take a stance on me one way or the other after all that has been put out there. On May 30 2013 23:51 DrTennant wrote: ya lets kill him ##Vote: PTroughton | ||
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JPertwee
27 Posts
On May 31 2013 23:32 A McGann wrote: Alright, I respect that. Well thought-out. What I would like from you is assuming we lynch Trout today, he flips scum, where do you look tomorrow? Obviously this is going to be subject to change from how D1 finishes, but work with what you have now. Well, first thing is looking into Tennant more, and deciding if it was indeed a bus. If I don't think it is, then the plan from that point forward is looking into those who sheeped the case on Tennant, but didn't add to it. If I don't think there's anything to be found in there, then it's looking into those who sheeped and only added a little. And if there's nothing in there again, looking at the people who really pushed his case. Right now the most suspicious people (assuming Tennant is town, and Troughton has flipped scum) are anyone who referred to Troughton as a policy lynch (trying to defend Troughton without actually defending the case), especially if they were sheeping the Tennant case without adding anything, or adding very little. @McCoy I don't understand you, because I still don't think you understand me. I'm telling you Troughton is a better lynch, not that Tennant is a bad lynch. I have already told you the reasons why: Tennant's actions can still be explained somewhat within the frameset of a town mindset, even the over defensiveness could be attritubed to him trying to back up his point rather poorly. And yes, him being on the Troughton bandwagon did come very quickly, but not IMMEDIATELY. The point is he made that first post going "Hm. You know, he does look really bad." But he didn't vote him right away, he still took a bit of time to go "But is the kind of bad he looks actually showing that he's scum?" and came up with yes. That's how I read it. That's why there's only the two options I see about that. If he were scum there would be no thinking, his first post would just be "kill it with fire he so scum" to try and get out of the noose and get a mislynch for the team. But since that's not the case, either he's town and thinking about it, or scum having to give a bit more consideration before a bus. You're confusing my arguments, McCoy. I'm not saying "Don't lynch Tennant, he's obviously town", I'm saying "Lynch Troughton, he is OBVIOUSLY scum, and will give us more information about Tennant being scum or not." Tennant will have my vote if I cannot convince people to lynch Troughton over him today, but regardless of his flip you best be ready to lynch Troughton tomorrow unless something amazing happens. | ||
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SMcCoy
228 Posts
Right now the most suspicious people (assuming Tennant is town, and Troughton has flipped scum) are anyone who referred to Troughton as a policy lynch (trying to defend Troughton without actually defending the case), especially if they were sheeping the Tennant case without adding anything, or adding very little. The bandwagon against Troughton started with Tom advocating a policy lynch, which he denied doing in his recent posts, and which I proved to be true instead. Tell me more about Tom and his recent actions, JP. But more importantly, why didn't you attack H3 for jumping on the bandwagon against Trout that quickly, if you are arguing that scum would do that, and that DrT is town for voicing his suspicion earlier and allegedly being careful with his vote. Your reasoning seems to be inconsistent with your scumreads. You also have to consider that DrT never wrote a case or posted analysis of his own, and him thinking before voting Trout is something you're pulling out of your ass. He asked trout a question on why he's not commenting on him, and when you and Tom started voting for him, he made that a scumread without even getting an answer first. Where would we be getting if we voted some dude cause he doesn't answer a question about why he's not talking about us. The most plausible explanation is that Trout has simply been afk all this time since that post, if he saw what was happening he could have simply changed his style to something more serious and take the wind out of tom's sails, or at least posted some defense. You still didn't deliver any comments on the points brought against DrT. You prefer rehashing your only point in defense of him, which is very dangly. | ||
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Baker1986
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Baker1986
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A McGann
81 Posts
On the other hand Dr.Tennant has 'been in the spotlight' for over a day now and produced nothing. He's apparently still reading the thread and choosing to not contribute, which is worse than Trout dropping a single bad post and then falling off the face of the planet. | ||
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JPertwee
27 Posts
On June 01 2013 00:53 A McGann wrote: JPertwee, the problem I am having is that the wagon building against Trout all revolves around that one single post. Yes, his initial post was shit. But if we were lynching people off of shitty first posts, we'd have a long queue of people to hang. I am not comfortable lynching off a sample size of one. On the other hand Dr.Tennant has 'been in the spotlight' for over a day now and produced nothing. He's apparently still reading the thread and choosing to not contribute, which is worse than Trout dropping a single bad post and then falling off the face of the planet. It's not that his initial post is shit, it's that it's clearly written from a mafia perspecitive. It's not possible to write that post and be town, that should be obvious. Even if only for the fact he says H3 is lurking when he had written 20% of the thread at that point. On June 01 2013 00:15 SMcCoy wrote: The bandwagon against Troughton started with Tom advocating a policy lynch, which he denied doing in his recent posts, and which I proved to be true instead. Tell me more about Tom and his recent actions, JP. But more importantly, why didn't you attack H3 for jumping on the bandwagon against Trout that quickly, if you are arguing that scum would do that, and that DrT is town for voicing his suspicion earlier and allegedly being careful with his vote. Your reasoning seems to be inconsistent with your scumreads. You also have to consider that DrT never wrote a case or posted analysis of his own, and him thinking before voting Trout is something you're pulling out of your ass. He asked trout a question on why he's not commenting on him, and when you and Tom started voting for him, he made that a scumread without even getting an answer first. Where would we be getting if we voted some dude cause he doesn't answer a question about why he's not talking about us. The most plausible explanation is that Trout has simply been afk all this time since that post, if he saw what was happening he could have simply changed his style to something more serious and take the wind out of tom's sails, or at least posted some defense. You still didn't deliver any comments on the points brought against DrT. You prefer rehashing your only point in defense of him, which is very dangly. Everything you mention about Troughton is you misreading, McCoy. I was asked if Troughton flipped scum abd Tennant was town, what would I think of everyone else. I said if Troughton flipped scum, anyone referring to him as a policy lynch and trying to lynch Tennant would be very suspicious. Please take more time to read. I'm pretty sure Tom is town. Enough said. The point is Dr. T did not just jump on Troughton in the first post possible, he absolutely could have. The time between posts (even though it is a short time) is what pushes me to the point that he either was considering it, or was considering how hard to bus him. You may read it otherwise, but I'm telling you that's what that little bump between posting says to me. If Tennant is as obvious as scum as you're assuming, then that gap either points to him being town, or him bussing because his skill would not be such to throw that in there. Understand? You could telling me I should defending Dr. Tennant. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I'm telling you why we should lynch Troughton first, and then Tennant tomorrow unless something comes up that clears him. I don't care to defend Tennant, if he wants to defend himself, he can. I have no interest in it. I have interest in lynching my top scum read, which is the guy who has claimed scum in the thread. | ||
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JPertwee
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TomB4
61 Posts
On May 31 2013 20:51 SMcCoy wrote: Oh I see why you mention the last part of that post. It's to agree with DrT's assessment that townies change their mind all the time and make quick judgments. Sadly, the correctness of that statement is completely unrelated to the arguments brought against him. He's not scum for being right or wrong about that, he's scum for being defensive when he had no reason to Funny that you even bring unrelated stuff up just to defend him. Baker, what do you think is Tom trying to achieve here? This is why I said earlier I should let him defend himself. Whatever, he's going to get lynched, if he's town it's not going to be my problem. I don't want to waste time with this. I also have no interest in releasing my reads now when it's going to do absolutely nothing. No one who is in the position of influencing the lynch actually seems to be able to properly understand what I say anyway. | ||
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Baker1986
217 Posts
On June 01 2013 02:47 TomB4 wrote: This is why I said earlier I should let him defend himself. Whatever, he's going to get lynched, if he's town it's not going to be my problem. I don't want to waste time with this. I also have no interest in releasing my reads now when it's going to do absolutely nothing. No one who is in the position of influencing the lynch actually seems to be able to properly understand what I say anyway. If he dies and flips town. You're equally to blame as me or mccoy. Also not sharing your reads is incredibly stupid or scummy | ||
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TheDavison
157 Posts
On May 31 2013 21:56 Baker1986 wrote: JP is the hardest call in the game at the moment, probably along with eccleston. There's probably 2, if not 3 scum in this list DrT JP Eccleston PT Tom Hurn I just need to weed out the townies. of those I'd be way more interested in DrT, JP and Tom flipping than the other three. On my reread I think its unlikely Hurn is scum. His vote has been all over, his posting is bad, his play seems insane as scum since being so free to admit to not reading the posts of the player he called scummy is going to draw attention to him. I'd label him dumb, not scum. Look at this vote count from the illustrious Oatsmaster: On May 31 2013 12:20 Oatsmaster wrote: WHOS THERE? SMcCoy (0): TheDavison (0): DrTennant (7): SMcCoy, Baker1986, MSmith1, HartnellWil, A McGann, Eccleston, Hurndall3 Hurndall3 (2): PTroughton2, TheDavison PTroughton2 (3): TomB4, JPertwee, DrTennant, DrTennant is set to be lynched. Votes without ## will not be counted H3 is putting his vote in a lot of places, I do not believe a scum player would be so free with their vote and pressure so many people since they would be afraid to anger one or more of their targets who could turn the tables on them. On May 31 2013 12:47 TomB4 wrote: I can name at least two people who would make better lynches (whom I haven't already), but it's pretty pointless given that it looks to be a fruitless endeavour right now. It's better for me to sit on those reads and see how they develop without interference. Troughton is still a better lynch than DrT and he still has enough votes to be a viable candidate. He's not responded at all to any of the votes he's received. In fact, he's still done nothing at all since his first two posts. This post is incredible. Not in a good way. If you as town genuinely think this we'll have words post game. I find it much more likely however that the first sentence of this post is a lie, either a stupid gambit or a scum trying to look like they have more to contribute than they do. I don't like how TB4 is trying to defend DrT from this lynch either, his arguments for DrT being town are non-existent while his attacks on Trout seem like he fell for a modified Kenpachi trap. The role playing did not disguise Trout's motives or reads it was simply flavour. But it was odd. And scum love to attack odd things since they cannot genuinely hunt scum. For the moment ##Unvote ##Vote: TomB4 I'm curious to see what he has to say and the rest of you are getting DrT lynched already. Time for another wagon so that the day gets interesting. | ||
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TomB4
61 Posts
wtf? I'm one of two people who is trying to change the lynch, and all of you on that wagon are resisting the change immensely. There's no point in me saying anything more than "I think you guys are wrong and it's in the best interest of everyone to wait for the lynch if no opinions are going to change." Results effect change in this game, unfortunately. Based on the reactions I got earlier and the time left in the day, if I have a correct read (and I think I do) it would only result in the scum being forewarned and changing behavior in the 48+ hours where they are basically immune to dying. I've seen it all too often before. | ||
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HartnellWill
40 Posts
Wait why start a wagon in the middle of the day? Not even justifying that DrT is town, just saying that TomB4 also looks scummy so we should lynch him just for the fun of it? I don't like that direction at all. | ||
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HartnellWill
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Baker1986
217 Posts
On June 01 2013 04:08 TomB4 wrote: If DrT is town and he dies, it's my fault? wtf? I'm one of two people who is trying to change the lynch, and all of you on that wagon are resisting the change immensely. There's no point in me saying anything more than "I think you guys are wrong and it's in the best interest of everyone to wait for the lynch if no opinions are going to change." Results effect change in this game, unfortunately. Based on the reactions I got earlier and the time left in the day, if I have a correct read (and I think I do) it would only result in the scum being forewarned and changing behavior in the 48+ hours where they are basically immune to dying. I've seen it all too often before. This is really irrelevant to the problem at hand, but the point is that if you're somehow right and we're wrong, you still couldn't manage to convince town that you were right, so you're equally bad. It's equally awful to be wrong, and to be unable to convince people you're right. And it's about as useful. And the reason I want your reads is that it's incredibly scum favored to hide them, if you are scum that is. It's much harder to change a read when you have to provide legitimate reasons for it, instead of just saying "hey I thought about it all along". Maybe we should just last minute switch and kill you because you're bad and annoying. | ||
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TomB4
61 Posts
On June 01 2013 04:34 Baker1986 wrote: This is really irrelevant to the problem at hand, but the point is that if you're somehow right and we're wrong, you still couldn't manage to convince town that you were right, so you're equally bad. It's equally awful to be wrong, and to be unable to convince people you're right. And it's about as useful. And the reason I want your reads is that it's incredibly scum favored to hide them, if you are scum that is. It's much harder to change a read when you have to provide legitimate reasons for it, instead of just saying "hey I thought about it all along". Maybe we should just last minute switch and kill you because you're bad and annoying. No it isn't scum favored to hold reads when they have no chance of being acted upon. You hold reads when you know they are in no position to be lynched because outting them would result in the scum changing behaviour. Town should operate on a need-to-know basis in this regard, it's often much better to observe and note things than simply spill everything out when it's not going to actually do anything. I'm scum because I couldn't convince you that you were wrong? Nah. If you are wrong and you don't listen to me it's your fault, not mine. I've already outlined clearly and emphatically why I disagree with the logic used for voting DrT. There is nothing left for me to argue against-I've already outlined everything in a previous post. If you disagree, then there is no choice for me but to wait for lynch because A.) the evidence is strong to me that you are not willing to sway your opinion based on the logic I use and B.) There isn't enough time for me to browbeat enough people into agreeing with me, not that I would want to, since it would require a herculean effort that would probably not be worth it in the end anyway. | ||
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TomB4
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SMcCoy
228 Posts
I'm curious to see what he has to say and the rest of you are getting DrT lynched already. Time for another wagon so that the day gets interesting. I would like to ask you to put your vote on DrT to avoid last-minute no-lynch shenannies. One vote isn't going to make a big difference for Tom. It should be clear already that he's one of your scumreads. Another wagon is more dangerous than interesting and I think he realizes you are suspicious of him even without that vote. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Top priority remains to secure a lynch for today. It's clear that DrT lost his will to fight. His last post made clear that he's present in the thread and doesn't thrive in the spotlight like he said he would, it looks like he has given up and is now withholding information. He still has not contributed any analysis to the game and JP and Tom are attempting a massive derail to trout since DrT came under heavy pressure. I am not in the position to exclude that they are town just from their defense of DrT though, but of the two it's JP who looks worse to me cause he initially agreed on DrT being probable scum but is irrationally sure that Trout is 100 % scum. In his position his prime interest should be to get to a safe lynch of someone who he thinks has a good shot at being scum, but he is showing none of that. He also says he doesn't want to defend DrT but does exactly that in his reasoning by saying that DrT would not have jumped on the bandwagon that "slowly" as scum. He tried to sell us the Trout lynch by illustrating the information we would gain about DrT from his lynch, but refuses to comment on the arguments used against DrT arguing that he doesn't want to defend him. He should have realized by now that DrT has been present but not willing to write anything other than "this is bullshit", so claiming that he should defend himself does not make much sense, it's pretty obvious he had no intention to, but JP is also oblivious to that. JP you didn't comment on these points: But more importantly, why didn't you attack H3 for jumping on the bandwagon against Trout that quickly, if you are arguing that scum would do that, and that DrT is town for voicing his suspicion earlier and allegedly being careful with his vote. Then you didn't comment on Tom denying that his arguments were policy, as laid out in one of my previous posts. You still felt free to give him a free townread for no reason. | ||
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TomB4
61 Posts
If my vote is needed I can switch it to DrT, since Troughton won't get lynched today. | ||
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