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On July 28 2013 10:00 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 09:35 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@TG. I was w/ you on Tofu before. But how are you not reevaluating ur read on him after this DT claim?
Explain to me how he possibly could have made this claim as scum? He specifically said that he got the exact same role PM as getmo. Then 5T immediately backed him up. How could he have known that? The only way it makes any sense is if 5T and tofu are mafia. And a double fake claim just seems way too ridiculous to consider. Actually, FiveTouch claim really threw me for a loop. But if we consider the scum Tofu and town 5T, scum made the play without knowing 5T was DT and is trying to kill Corazon. The small exchange between me and Tofu seems like Tofu is now off script (not according to plan) if he is indeed scum. I'm still ok with my read. Atually very comfortable because I'm seeing Tofu pull idea after idea without responding to our objections. Sometimes they are really stupid ideas, too. The whole flow is very much within the "pushing scum agenda" behavior. You didn't address my main point. Tofu didn't just claim detective. He claimed detective and said that he got the exact same PM as getmo. How could he have made that assumption? AFAIK cora never claimed his role PM matched getmos. Fivetouch immediately believing the claim means that he got the exact same role PM as getmo too. How could tofu have known that?
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Hold on. Let me fetch the phagga role PM post and FT's claim.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19285367
On July 26 2013 15:01 phagga wrote:getmoript the Detective has been killed!+ Show Spoiler +Welcome, getmoript to A Bluelightz Mafia, where you hopefully will save Blueville from destruction at the hands of the Redvillians. You, as a Detective, have special equipment to discover the dubious loyalty of other citizens. Beware, your equipment may be defective and give you fake results!
That's Phagga Night 2 post.
This is FirmTofu Claim:
On July 28 2013 04:04 FirmTofu wrote:
Alright, I gave myself a 12:00 deadline to post this. I've only delayed it this long because I wanted to see where the votes go before my reveal. I was also hoping for the off chance that people would lynch Cora without me having to reveal.
I am the Detective! I have the exact same role pm as getmoript.
Night 1, I checked TAA. Result: Town
Night 2, I checked Cora. Result: Town
This should answer a few questions for you.
Why did I defend TAA with "weirdness" for so long?
Because I got a town check on him.
If you have any additional questions, please ask.
I'm either a naive cop or a defective cop that gets everything wrong.
I'm leaning toward defective. I want to lynch Cora. 3 cops in this town? Highly unlikely.
He's saying that's the a defective/insane cop, because he wants to use to his advantage.
Welcome, getmoript to A Bluelightz Mafia, where you hopefully will save Blueville from destruction at the hands of the Redvillians. You, as a Detective, have special equipment to discover the dubious loyalty of other citizens. Beware, your equipment may be defective and give you fake results!
As for 5T knowing the wording of the PM, everyone saw this. And 5T and Tofu don't look like a double fake claim play because currently it looks like Tofu trying to make a fake claim pushing an agenda and 5T shutting him down dead in his tracks.
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I'm not sure if I've covered it all, actually.
It seems like you're assuming that Cora didn't get this PM or isn't claiming this PM wording is what he got? Peel everything back for me.
Cora claimed early D2 and much much before the N2 end, so he couldn't have said that when he claimed. He didn't have phagga post to use as an example. Of course, Cora could have since then. He didn't.
I don't feel like you can assume that Corazon didn't receive the same wording though.
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Oh wait. You're assuming Tofu knew that 5T was DT! I don't think so. Look at this:
On July 28 2013 04:22 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 04:17 FiveTouch wrote:On July 28 2013 04:04 FirmTofu wrote:
Alright, I gave myself a 12:00 deadline to post this. I've only delayed it this long because I wanted to see where the votes go before my reveal. I was also hoping for the off chance that people would lynch Cora without me having to reveal.
I am the Detective! I have the exact same role pm as getmoript.
Night 1, I checked TAA. Result: Town
Night 2, I checked Cora. Result: Town
This should answer a few questions for you.
Why did I defend TAA with "weirdness" for so long?
Because I got a town check on him.
If you have any additional questions, please ask.
I'm either a naive cop or a defective cop that gets everything wrong.
I'm leaning toward defective. I want to lynch Cora. 3 cops in this town? Highly unlikely. So annoying doing this via phone at a party. I believe this claim because we are also a detective, we have red checks on getmo and Cora. If I were to speculate, I'd say we had 4 cops with a different sanity each. The combination of our and firm's checks means Cora is probably town though Marv Oh damn. Okay hold on, I'm going to have to think about this for a bit.
No way Tofu knew that 5T was also a DT.
Unless this is an even bigger play.
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One more thing. From my read:
The attempted play was Claim DT and Lynch Cora.
It was NOT Claim DT and Get Believed by 5T.
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I think we need to be able a mechanism to vote in a forced replacements for lurky players. This jrkirby no show is ridiculous.
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On July 28 2013 11:23 TanGeng wrote:
One more thing. From my read:
The attempted play was Claim DT and Lynch Cora.
It was NOT Claim DT and Get Believed by 5T. I'm just saying that tofu claiming he got the same wording makes it increadibly unlikely that he's lying because 5T DID in fact get the same wording.
And not only the same wording, but the claim itself. It's just a bizzare wierd claim for scum to make. He claims to be yet another detective and it just so happens that 5T is also yet another detective. It just too coincidental to not be true.
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Coincidence as in copy & paste roles into PMs?
Also 5T breadcrumbed being DT without stated sanity. Look at the 5T - Corazon interplay.
On July 24 2013 06:22 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 06:21 FiveTouch wrote:On July 24 2013 06:21 cDgCorazon wrote:On July 24 2013 06:20 FiveTouch wrote:
How do you like this claim, Cora? He's lying. I'm a detective. Are you serious? Are you sane? (as in, cop sane) I'm pretty sure I'm sane. I checked myself to check for sanity and it said I came back a "detective" so I'm guessing I must be sane.
5T is asking "Are you sane" as if he knew that sanity could be a problem.
And Corazon tried to check himself to address that issue. And then thought that he was a role cop.
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#vote jkirby
I think this is correct:+ Show Spoiler +FirmTofu (2) - TanGeng, cDgCorazon,
cDgCorazon (2) - Vivax, FirmTofu
jrkirby(3) - FiveTouch, Onegu, JarJarDinks
not voting: jrkirby
I wish I had more time to go through stuff because the cop claims really threw me for a loop. Voting kirby for a few reasons:
- Don't feel comfortable voting for either of the claimed cops
- process of elimination
- He hasn't been around and he may actually get modkilled regardless since he hasn't voted.
I know this isn't exactly a great case but I just dont have the time to dig tonight. I'll try to check in before I go to sleep.
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Let's go at the Tofu Roleclaim from a different angle:
This is the FirmTofu Claim:
See Why did I defend TAA with "weirdness" for so long?
On July 28 2013 04:04 FirmTofu wrote:
Alright, I gave myself a 12:00 deadline to post this. I've only delayed it this long because I wanted to see where the votes go before my reveal. I was also hoping for the off chance that people would lynch Cora without me having to reveal.
I am the Detective! I have the exact same role pm as getmoript.
Night 1, I checked TAA. Result: Town
Night 2, I checked Cora. Result: Town
This should answer a few questions for you.
Why did I defend TAA with "weirdness" for so long?
Because I got a town check on him.
If you have any additional questions, please ask.
I'm either a naive cop or a defective cop that gets everything wrong.
I'm leaning toward defective. I want to lynch Cora. 3 cops in this town? Highly unlikely.
Now look look at FirmTofu's role PM.
Welcome, getmoript to A Bluelightz Mafia, where you hopefully will save Blueville from destruction at the hands of the Redvillians. You, as a Detective, have special equipment to discover the dubious loyalty of other citizens. Beware, your equipment may be defective and give you fake results!
FirmTofu basically sees that he has a possibility of being insane. The Why did I defend TAA with "weirdness" for so long? still makes no sense. He'd have to question his own sanity first and since he got a DT check, he'd be really interested in figuring out TAA alignment first.
That is not what happened. FirmTofu basically explored everybody else before finally getting to TAA.
I'm having a real problem with this claim even on its own now.
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5T where are I want to figure this out with you since we have had close to the same reads since I joined in.
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Jjd,if you and onegu don't vote Cora, we will have a no lynch situation. Vivax already went to bed so we cant get majority on Kirby if the scumteam is Tg and cDg.
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I mean we can get a majority on Kirby, but Kirby would just flip town.
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Yeah I will If I have to. I want to discuss with 5T before I move my vote though.
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Ok dead fakeclaim by FirmTofu. Here's Tofu's first post when entering TAA fray.
On July 24 2013 07:16 FirmTofu wrote:
Wait, so let me get this straight. getmoript and Corazon are both claiming cop?
Are people told whether they are naive/paranoid/sane/insane when they receive their roles?
How useful is a cop's accusation when we cannot trust their sanity?
I don't think lynching TAA based solely on getmoript's claim is the best course of action. If we think TAA is scummy AND we have getmoript's claim to back it up, I don't mind lynching him.
Back to scumhunting. I'm going to ignore the cop claims for now because in NW, I tried to setup speculate and that fucked me over. I don't want to simply assume that two cops can't exist.
My scumreads are TG, jrkirby, and TAA.
TG claimed he was roleblocked. This is not alignment indicative. He was scummy yesterday and nothing has changed to sway my opinion in the other direction.
I will talk more about jrkirby and TAA in a few additional posts.
Unless he was misrepresenting himself, he should know the answer to the bolded question, already.
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Who exactly do you think Kirby's teammate is? There is really no one who fills that role.
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On July 28 2013 12:27 TanGeng wrote:Ok dead fakeclaim by FirmTofu. Here's Tofu's first post when entering TAA fray. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 07:16 FirmTofu wrote:
Wait, so let me get this straight. getmoript and Corazon are both claiming cop?
Are people told whether they are naive/paranoid/sane/insane when they receive their roles?
How useful is a cop's accusation when we cannot trust their sanity?
I don't think lynching TAA based solely on getmoript's claim is the best course of action. If we think TAA is scummy AND we have getmoript's claim to back it up, I don't mind lynching him.
Back to scumhunting. I'm going to ignore the cop claims for now because in NW, I tried to setup speculate and that fucked me over. I don't want to simply assume that two cops can't exist.
My scumreads are TG, jrkirby, and TAA.
TG claimed he was roleblocked. This is not alignment indicative. He was scummy yesterday and nothing has changed to sway my opinion in the other direction.
I will talk more about jrkirby and TAA in a few additional posts.
Unless he was misrepresenting himself, he should know the answer to the bolded question, already.
That was a bait. If someone had answered yes, I probably would have pursued them as a lynch.
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On July 28 2013 12:27 TanGeng wrote:Ok dead fakeclaim by FirmTofu. Here's Tofu's first post when entering TAA fray. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 07:16 FirmTofu wrote:
Wait, so let me get this straight. getmoript and Corazon are both claiming cop?
Are people told whether they are naive/paranoid/sane/insane when they receive their roles?
How useful is a cop's accusation when we cannot trust their sanity?
I don't think lynching TAA based solely on getmoript's claim is the best course of action. If we think TAA is scummy AND we have getmoript's claim to back it up, I don't mind lynching him.
Back to scumhunting. I'm going to ignore the cop claims for now because in NW, I tried to setup speculate and that fucked me over. I don't want to simply assume that two cops can't exist.
My scumreads are TG, jrkirby, and TAA.
TG claimed he was roleblocked. This is not alignment indicative. He was scummy yesterday and nothing has changed to sway my opinion in the other direction.
I will talk more about jrkirby and TAA in a few additional posts.
Unless he was misrepresenting himself, he should know the answer to the bolded question, already.
Actually this is a really good point, care to respond?
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