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And a quick question : anyone know the name of the song playing during the games? ^^
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mick007
Belgium5 Posts
And a quick question : anyone know the name of the song playing during the games? ^^ | ||
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Takuna
Germany332 Posts
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FordPrefect
Germany10 Posts
I have a serious request: Please teach me how to enjoy Khaldor's casts. He casts really great tournaments, such as Code A, Assembly, MSI Pro Cup. Muting the sound is not an option for me. But I think the way Khaldor reacts to legitimate criticism is completely inadequate. I noticed it several times on his german stream, but yesterday it happened in front of a big audience when he was casting the MSI Pro Cup #7 finals. A viewer of Khaldor's stream twittered it's currently 03:15 on the in-game clock and @Khaldor still hasn't moved the camera from thorzain's main base. pretty bad cast. This might not have been the nicest way to say it, but it was not personally offensive at all. And, in my oppinion, the guy was right. Moreover, Khaldor had missed important fights in Stephano's games, which he had casted before. I don't want to blame him for that, perhaps he was just tired because it was in the middle of the night in Korea. A professional way to deal with this tweet might have been something like "Sorry man, this can happen, thanks for your suggestion" or perhaps an explanation, why he didn't move the camera. But instead, Khaldor was really pissed and told the guy that there were several other stream he could watch. As a reaction to that, the viewer tweeted again: @Khaldor, don't take it so personally. now I feel sorry because of your overreaction. I just wanted to point out a bad thing you can improve and @Khaldor man, I am so sorry, please don't be mad at me. I didn't want to insult you! :'( whereupon Khaldor called him a dick live on stream. Besides his huffy nature, I think there is much too few explanation of the players' thoughts when Khaldor casts. He is mostly describing what everybody can see, but I miss some deeper strategic analysis like you get it when you watch Tastosis or Day[9]. He manages to take all the tension out of a game when he states that ThorZaIN has won the game vs. Polt on Antiga and there will be a GG every second and he repeats this for five minutes while Polt shows one great defense after another. Yes, ThorZaIN did win in the end, but it could have been so much more entertaining. And we all know that Polt is the master of recovering from seemingly unwinnable situations, at least since Assembly, which Khaldor casted as well. Share your knowledge with the audience! So please tell me: Am I wrong? What are the upsides of his stream? I really want to see positive things, because at the moment, I unfortunately get more annoyed every time I see him. I do not want that to happen, because I really want to enjoy the tournaments he casts. So please don't understand this posting as a public bashing. | ||
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YipMan
372 Posts
On February 29 2012 03:30 mick007 wrote: A quick post to say that you are doing a wonderfull job comentating Khaldor And a quick question : anyone know the name of the song playing during the games? ^^ or | ||
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krisss
Luxembourg305 Posts
On March 01 2012 21:05 FordPrefect wrote: + Show Spoiler + Hey all you Khaldor fans out there, I have a serious request: Please teach me how to enjoy Khaldor's casts. He casts really great tournaments, such as Code A, Assembly, MSI Pro Cup. Muting the sound is not an option for me. But I think the way Khaldor reacts to legitimate criticism is completely inadequate. I noticed it several times on his german stream, but yesterday it happened in front of a big audience when he was casting the MSI Pro Cup #7 finals. A viewer of Khaldor's stream twittered it's currently 03:15 on the in-game clock and @Khaldor still hasn't moved the camera from thorzain's main base. pretty bad cast. This might not have been the nicest way to say it, but it was not personally offensive at all. And, in my oppinion, the guy was right. Moreover, Khaldor had missed important fights in Stephano's games, which he had casted before. I don't want to blame him for that, perhaps he was just tired because it was in the middle of the night in Korea. A professional way to deal with this tweet might have been something like "Sorry man, this can happen, thanks for your suggestion" or perhaps an explanation, why he didn't move the camera. But instead, Khaldor was really pissed and told the guy that there were several other stream he could watch. As a reaction to that, the viewer tweeted again: @Khaldor, don't take it so personally. now I feel sorry because of your overreaction. I just wanted to point out a bad thing you can improve and @Khaldor man, I am so sorry, please don't be mad at me. I didn't want to insult you! :'( whereupon Khaldor called him a dick live on stream. Besides his huffy nature, I think there is much too few explanation of the players' thoughts when Khaldor casts. He is mostly describing what everybody can see, but I miss some deeper strategic analysis like you get it when you watch Tastosis or Day[9]. He manages to take all the tension out of a game when he states that ThorZaIN has won the game vs. Polt on Antiga and there will be a GG every second and he repeats this for five minutes while Polt shows one great defense after another. Yes, ThorZaIN did win in the end, but it could have been so much more entertaining. And we all know that Polt is the master of recovering from seemingly unwinnable situations, at least since Assembly, which Khaldor casted as well. Share your knowledge with the audience! So please tell me: Am I wrong? What are the upsides of his stream? I really want to see positive things, because at the moment, I unfortunately get more annoyed every time I see him. I do not want that to happen, because I really want to enjoy the tournaments he casts. So please don't understand this posting as a public bashing. This "the viewer" your talking about is you right? °_° And you want from a comment like "pretty bad cast" an answer like "thank you for ur suggestion".. dude, are u serious? I mean what does you beloved Tastosis do during the first 3 minutes of the games they cast? They talk about guinea pigs, random movies and vegetarian food. Its not like im a Khaldor fanboy, but i generally like all casters. Khaldor has his own style, his own sense of humor, his own personality. I like it very much. I know that Day9 and Tastosis are the gods (imho dictators) of Sc2. They were present since the first minute of SC2, they do a good job. I understand why ppl like them. I dont understand why ppl, if they start liking sb, or sth, they refuse to be openminded to anything/anyone else. Maybe it has sth to do with age (most gamers are younger ppl), just like every 14 year old only likes to eat bugers and french fries, the gamers only want Tastosis and day9. If you want Tastosis or day9, watch Tastosis or day9. Its easy, but please dont tell all other casters to be like them. I like diversity, I want diversity. I dont want this day9/Tastosis monopoly, like it is atm. And if your honest, Tasteless himself knows as much strategical stuff as any bronze league player. I might be even right when i pretend that he didnt play any sc2 since months. And your right, Khaldor should not have ranted about "your" tweet, he should have just ignored it. But this "I WANT TASTOSIS OR DAY9" crying from those 14 year olds is just getting pathetic. If you want more strategical analysis, just say that Khaldor should cast with a "progamer" on his side, but please stop asking for a change to day9 or tastosis. Edit: and if this should not be public bashin, why did ur use ur 1-post accoutn to write that? No balls to write it woth ur regular one? | ||
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FordPrefect
Germany10 Posts
I am not the person whose tweet I cited, I do not even know this person. Neither am I a 14-year-old Tastosis fanboy. In my opinion it is not desirable to have only two or three casters. There are so many other casters I enjoy to watch, perhaps I shouldn't have pointed out these three. Diversity is great. But if you decide to be part of the open and generally quite friendly SC2 community in such an exposed position as a caster, you should be ready to accept critical comments, as long as they are not personally offensive. Watching yesterday's stream was quite an unpleasant experience, because the way Khaldor dealt with the criticism made me feel unwelcome at his stream - just because I shared the opinion of the twitterer. | ||
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FordPrefect
Germany10 Posts
On March 01 2012 22:58 krisss wrote: Edit: and if this should not be public bashin, why did ur use ur 1-post accoutn to write that? No balls to write it woth ur regular one? Because I only have this 1-post-account. I read a lot in the forums, but tend to write only when I think I can add something new to a discussion. So this was the first time. | ||
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krisss
Luxembourg305 Posts
You want Khaldor the respond to a post like "it's currently 03:15 on the in-game clock and @Khaldor still hasn't moved the camera from thorzain's main base. pretty bad cast" with "Sorry man, this can happen, thanks for your suggestion" ... yeah, sure. Don't you think u expect too much there? You know how your beloved Artosis deals with critizism like that? He insta-bans people on his stream. Yet you want Khaldor to behave like fukkin Buddha? Your applying double standards for the casters you like, and the ones you dont. Just watch the casters you like, and think about ur own lil buddha inside of you I unfortunately get more annoyed every time I see him Because this is the hatred spreaking our of you, nothing else. | ||
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krisss
Luxembourg305 Posts
On March 01 2012 23:24 FordPrefect wrote: I think you didn't get the point of my posting. Just tell me what was the point of your post then. As far as i understood you complained about Khaldor that hes not accepting critizism the way it should be. Then you complained about Khaldor that he takes all the tension out of the games Then you complained about Khaldor that hes not strategical like day9 or tastosis Then you say u hate him more everytime you see him. Wow, i get your point. Your full of hatred towards Khaldor, as far as i understood. How about you trying to better handle you hate, before u demand others to do it? | ||
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FordPrefect
Germany10 Posts
I was just hoping that anyone could point out the positive aspects of Khaldor's cast, which perhaps would help me to focus on them. I do not expect any caster to take every criticism to heart. It is absolutely fine to ignore critical remarks in your own show or to ban trolls. But it is inadequate to insult your viewers. | ||
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krisss
Luxembourg305 Posts
Btw: insulting is always better than banning. insulting is at least some form of handling the critizism (eventhough a bad one), whereas with banning your cowardly avoiding negative feedback. | ||
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FordPrefect
Germany10 Posts
Every caster would be well advised to listen to those remarks in order to improve his show. Of course he should not change his style of casting just because of one complaint. But he could at least consider whether the criticism has an element of truth - instead of insulting his viewers. | ||
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BoBiNoU
France181 Posts
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Eshra
France1009 Posts
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krisss
Luxembourg305 Posts
On March 02 2012 04:30 FordPrefect wrote: I only talked about banning trolls. A user with legitimate remarks should neither be banned nor insulted. Every caster would be well advised to listen to those remarks in order to improve his show. Of course he should not change his style of casting just because of one complaint. But he could at least consider whether the criticism has an element of truth - instead of insulting his viewers. Funny how your the troll, and not even noticing it. Your first post was a general rant about how much Khaldor sucks Then you post to ask ppl what they find good about khaldor, so you can enjoy the cast? rofl? Then i say other casters ban ppl that CRITIZISE them Then you say troll should be banned. WTF? Either your too simple too keep track of a discussion, or your a troll. Your choice. | ||
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FordPrefect
Germany10 Posts
I would be happy if anyone was interested in a mannered discussion without personal accusations. | ||
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FantaFanta
Germany225 Posts
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Wanna_be
Germany11 Posts
On March 01 2012 21:05 FordPrefect wrote: + Show Spoiler + Hey all you Khaldor fans out there, I have a serious request: Please teach me how to enjoy Khaldor's casts. He casts really great tournaments, such as Code A, Assembly, MSI Pro Cup. Muting the sound is not an option for me. But I think the way Khaldor reacts to legitimate criticism is completely inadequate. I noticed it several times on his german stream, but yesterday it happened in front of a big audience when he was casting the MSI Pro Cup #7 finals. A viewer of Khaldor's stream twittered it's currently 03:15 on the in-game clock and @Khaldor still hasn't moved the camera from thorzain's main base. pretty bad cast. This might not have been the nicest way to say it, but it was not personally offensive at all. And, in my oppinion, the guy was right. Moreover, Khaldor had missed important fights in Stephano's games, which he had casted before. I don't want to blame him for that, perhaps he was just tired because it was in the middle of the night in Korea. A professional way to deal with this tweet might have been something like "Sorry man, this can happen, thanks for your suggestion" or perhaps an explanation, why he didn't move the camera. But instead, Khaldor was really pissed and told the guy that there were several other stream he could watch. As a reaction to that, the viewer tweeted again: @Khaldor, don't take it so personally. now I feel sorry because of your overreaction. I just wanted to point out a bad thing you can improve and @Khaldor man, I am so sorry, please don't be mad at me. I didn't want to insult you! :'( whereupon Khaldor called him a dick live on stream. Besides his huffy nature, I think there is much too few explanation of the players' thoughts when Khaldor casts. He is mostly describing what everybody can see, but I miss some deeper strategic analysis like you get it when you watch Tastosis or Day[9]. He manages to take all the tension out of a game when he states that ThorZaIN has won the game vs. Polt on Antiga and there will be a GG every second and he repeats this for five minutes while Polt shows one great defense after another. Yes, ThorZaIN did win in the end, but it could have been so much more entertaining. And we all know that Polt is the master of recovering from seemingly unwinnable situations, at least since Assembly, which Khaldor casted as well. Share your knowledge with the audience! So please tell me: Am I wrong? What are the upsides of his stream? I really want to see positive things, because at the moment, I unfortunately get more annoyed every time I see him. I do not want that to happen, because I really want to enjoy the tournaments he casts. So please don't understand this posting as a public bashing. I don't think anyone could convince you with arguments, because your viewpoints and the ones of the viewers who like Khaldor are just too different. I can't understand your criticism, because I see these things different. Many people say Khaldor has no/few sc2 knowledge, but I don't share this opinion and as long as he lived in Germany, he was master league in europe, which i think tells that you got some understanding of the game, especially considering he is caster and not a player. And I don't have the feeling he doesn't give insight, it's just that his casts of tense moments is, how should I say, far more intense(...) and you could get the opinion that his whole cast consist of this style of casting. His way to cope with criticism is very good and that is again my opinion. He adresses the criticism and the problem is that most of the crititcims is just insulting and in no way constructive. Khaldor says what he thinks and this leads to insulting people who insult him, I don't see the problem with that. I personally like Khaldor because he can provide insight in strategies and personalities/thoughts of players and cast the tense parts of the games the way they should be casted(in my opinion): As exciting as possible. But it is not only the casting part that I like about Khaldor, he is a guy that got where he is through hard work and excitement for esports. He's been casting for about 10 years and did so many things for the german and now the english esports community. As you said, there are many tournaments that are casted by Khaldor and if you don't like Khlador, this is obviously a big problem, but think a minute what that means. Khaldor is working his ass of, you get the feeling that he streems seven days a week twenty-four hours a day. What he achieved since the day the sc2 beta got release, especially if you consider that he is a german caster who is now casting mainly in english and gets more and more viewers, is impressive(again my opinion). While Khaldor was casting Wc3, I didn't like him, because I listened to one of his casts for a few minutes and I found all the negative points other people had mentioned about his cast confirmed. Now I wish I had listened to the stream a bit longer, because when I listened to him casting sc2 some years later and for more than a few minutes, I realised that his casting was in a good way different from so many of the other casters. I think there are many reasons to like his casting, I mentioned some of them, but if you can't get yourself to like his casting, please consider to get to know more about the caster/person Khaldor, because I think if you know and consider how much he worked to get where he is and how much he is doing now, I think it will be way more difficult to not like his casting. When I listen to the cast of a person I can somehow relate to, be it someone whose casts I like or someone whose casts I normally don't like, I can't help but like the cast a lot more. I'm not sure if I could help you and I don't think you have to force yourself to like Khaldor's casting, but I would be happy if you would get to like his casting I know I'm biased, but you wanted to hear a fan of Khaldor, so what I say will obviously be biased... | ||
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cari-kira
Germany655 Posts
pls cry more, FordPrefect. | ||
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Arnstein
Norway3381 Posts
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