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eaT_Mi_Lquid
Germany509 Posts
On June 24 2012 08:19 SiroKO wrote: Most of these players are not living in France and/or not of French origins. No wonder why they've no passion for the national team. But still you love Zidane right ? Prejudice post. | ||
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Pantagruel
United States1427 Posts
On June 24 2012 08:19 SiroKO wrote: Most of these players are not living in France and/or not of French origins. No wonder why they've no passion for the national team. I don't know the situation for the French team in regards to where they live but I don't feel their origins really matter, so long as they grew up and were educated in France. I can tell you the vast majority of Dutch players don't live in the Netherlands because the Eredivisie is a smaller league and their top players all go abroad. I also know for example, on the German team, Mesut Ozil was born in Turkey but moved to Germany when he was 2, was educated in Germany, benefitted from German football education, etc. He is German. Some people think he shouldn't play for Germany simple because of his blood but I think that is not only ridiculous but racist. The same goes for France in my opinion. It doesn't matter where their parents are from, it matter where they are educated. If they are educated in France then they are French and that shouldn't be questioned. Nowadays the world is becoming so globalized with immigrants coming and going from country to country and thus more and more the national team will represent that. | ||
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duckii
Germany1017 Posts
On June 24 2012 09:07 Pantagruel wrote: I don't know the situation for the French team in regards to where they live but I don't feel their origins really matter, so long as they grew up and were educated in France. I can tell you the vast majority of Dutch players don't live in the Netherlands because the Eredivisie is a smaller league and their top players all go abroad. I also know for example, on the German team, Mesut Ozil was born in Turkey but moved to Germany when he was 2, was educated in Germany, benefitted from German football education, etc. He is German. Some people think he shouldn't play for Germany simple because of his blood but I think that is not only ridiculous but racist. The same goes for France in my opinion. It doesn't matter where their parents are from, it matter where they are educated. If they are educated in France then they are French and that shouldn't be questioned. Nowadays the world is becoming so globalized with immigrants coming and going from country to country and thus more and more the national team will represent that. Uhm Mesut was born in Gelsenkirchen, Germany. The whole discussion is still stupid :p | ||
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Pantagruel
United States1427 Posts
On June 24 2012 09:26 duckii wrote: Uhm Mesut was born in Gelsenkirchen, Germany. The whole discussion is still stupid :p Yes, you are correct. I misread that somewhere then. Regardless, his ancestors came from Turkey which is the subject being discussed. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On June 24 2012 08:58 eaT_Mi_Lquid wrote: But still you love Zidane right ? Prejudice post. Its a troll post. Everyone knows this is rubbish. | ||
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xN.07)MaK
Spain1159 Posts
I'm also bored when I see someone like Flash stomp someone easily in a boring way, but perfection is boring most of the time  . | ||
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dafnay
Angola375 Posts
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On June 24 2012 09:45 xN.07)MaK wrote: So much hate towards Spain in this thread. Respect the European + World Champions. I'm also bored when I see someone like Flash stomp someone easily in a boring way, but perfection is boring most of the time .Yeah, no. It was simply boring. Not in a stomping-everyone-boring way, more like a we-don't-really-care-to-score-boring way. | ||
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Tula
Austria1544 Posts
On June 24 2012 10:40 howLiN wrote: Yeah, no. It was simply boring. Not in a stomping-everyone-boring way, more like a we-don't-really-care-to-score-boring way. agreed. If they had stomped france 3:0 in the first half and then chilled in the second I honestly wouldn't have cared, but playing home a 1:0 by simply passing the ball around is boooooooooring.... | ||
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askTeivospy
1525 Posts
On June 24 2012 09:45 xN.07)MaK wrote: So much hate towards Spain in this thread. Respect the European + World Champions. I'm also bored when I see someone like Flash stomp someone easily in a boring way, but perfection is boring most of the time .Only reason why spain was WC champions was because of cassilas (who is severely under talked about imo) and midfield, the rest of their team was utter garbage . They're far from perfection and I'd say if it wasnt for their keeper spain would be w/e That said I've been cheering for them since 08 only because of their keeper and the fact zidane retired in 2006 left a hole that needed to be filled  On June 24 2012 07:56 Vauteck wrote: You're absolutely right. It's just so frustrating and infuriating to see France play the way they did tonight and vs Sweden, showing no fighting spirit, being so passive allgame long like it's some random exhibition match... What a poor display, soz to every TLer who watched this game =X. France just hasn't had a good game for a long long time. They only won things because of Zidane (ie euro 2002 + WC 2010 are perfect examples of how bad they are w/o someone to carry them, altho domenech also messed them up a lot so its not all their fault). Zidane is my favourite player ever, but just say what it is: France is just another team thats overhyped way too much | ||
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don_kyuhote
3007 Posts
I thought that was reserved only for Greece. That being said, I did fall asleep watching France vs Spain lol. I missed the entire 2nd half. | ||
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ecstatica
United States542 Posts
On June 24 2012 12:13 askTeivospy wrote: Only reason why spain was WC champions was because of cassilas (who is severely under talked about imo) and midfield, the rest of their team was utter garbage . They're far from perfection and I'd say if it wasnt for their keeper spain would be w/e That said I've been cheering for them since 08 only because of their keeper and the fact zidane retired in 2006 left a hole that needed to be filled France just hasn't had a good game for a long long time. They only won things because of Zidane (ie euro 2002 + WC 2010 are perfect examples of how bad they are w/o someone to carry them, altho domenech also messed them up a lot so its not all their fault). Zidane is my favourite player ever, but just say what it is: France is just another team thats overhyped way too much Im glad your post was on the last page of this thread. Saved me time reading it. Football threads are the worst sports threads on TL - scary amounts of nonsense. | ||
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Weson
Iceland1032 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
They precede to get past the half was line, 4 vs 4.... pass...... pass.... pass it square...... pass it back...... pass it square. Until they brought Pedro and Torres on they literally didn't have a single player willing to run with the ball. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Maenander
Germany4927 Posts
On June 24 2012 16:06 Holgerius wrote: Not even the most hardcore supporters can say that was entertaining play by Spain. Well, to be fair it was partly France's fault. Only Ribery had some fight in him. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6322 Posts
Anyway i think this game proves that just parking the bus only works in like 1 game out of 10 against Spain, Chelsea did it against Barca and it worked wih some luck but it's obv it ain't gonna work this euro.. | ||
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DragoonTT
3398 Posts
On June 24 2012 18:46 RvB wrote: Everyone is hating on Spain always playing boring which it was but you know it's quite fuxking difficult if every opponent just plays super defensively. You can't expect them to just always play amazingly entertaining when none of their opponents except Italy! This euro even want to score a goal.... Anyway i think this game proves that just parking the bus only works in like 1 game out of 10 against Spain, Chelsea did it against Barca and it worked wih some luck but it's obv it ain't gonna work this euro.. France didn't park the bus for large parts of the game. They left huge amounts of space on Spain's right side for Arbeloa and their midfielders to exploit, but Spain was too slow to capitalize. Same with counters - especially during the first 20 minutes of the second half, Ribery created a lot of pressure, but they lost possession and France's forwards/wingers were very slow to fall back and defend, but Spain blew almost every counter by taking out speed in favor of passing. Hence, the game got incredibly stale, and most of it to be attributed to Spain, who were content at keeping it 1:0, because it seemed safe. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On June 24 2012 16:33 Maenander wrote: Well, to be fair it was partly France's fault. Only Ribery had some fight in him. Not entirely the French's fault though. Lets me explain, Spain is gonna play like this every game, they were playing like this since WC2010 when they discovered that they have the best midfielders out there in term of keeping possession and Guadiolar has shown them the way with Barcelona. Actually, before this 2-0 victory against France, every game of Spain in WC 2010(in knock-out stage) has been 1-0. These are WC 2010 Spain knock-out result 1/16 Spain 1 0 Portugal 1/8 Spain 1 0 Paraguay 1/4 Spain 1 0 Germany Final Spain 1 0 Netherlands. It seems that teams still can't find a way to counter the possession play of Spain. Unlike the beautiful play of Barcelona, Spain makes this boring cos they can't play it as good as Barca 'cos they lack Messi . This Spain team is basically Barcelona w/o Messi thus make it much more boring but still very effective. | ||
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xN.07)MaK
Spain1159 Posts
So if you put in the equation a team whose best asset is ball circulation, plus having scored already (first 30 min were quite good IMO), plus a team that didn't die attacking = Spain for sure it's not gonna risk counterattacks | ||
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